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Sally Lait joins Robby to explore why confidence might be the most important signal of software maintainability. They dig into the cultural dynamics behind legacy systems, why technical debt becomes a people problem, and how teams can move forward without dismissing the work that got them here.
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Maintainable
Robby Russell · Tech & Science · English
Do you feel like you're hitting a wall with your existing software projects? Are you curious to hear how other people are navigating this? You're not alone. On the Maintainable Software Podcast, Robby speaks with seasoned practitioners who have overcome the technical and cultural problems often…
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