162 • The Mount Pleasant Murders

0:00[SPEAKER_01]: Can we talk 7-ounce? [SPEAKER_01]: Can we talk about 7-ounce? [SPEAKER_00]: Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [SPEAKER_01]: I get a very specific feeling about certain places, times, and people.

0:32[SPEAKER_01]: It's all either hot warmer cold, hostile and fighting, or indifferent. [SPEAKER_01]: This episode's setting to me feels warm, like home. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a lot of what dictates whether or not we feel good about something. [SPEAKER_01]: Nostalgia, even a whiff of it, can be intoxicating. [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine if he could be drunk on it, if you could concoct a potion of people place in time to be in forever. [SPEAKER_01]: I would live in a town of less than 10,000 in the late 70s or the 80s, and it would be autumn.

1:05[SPEAKER_01]: I would ride my childhood bike to a place where I had friends, tires kicking up fallen leaves. [SPEAKER_01]: The weather like the sidewalks would be even. [SPEAKER_01]: sunny cool, a low breeze. [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be comfortable in just a sweater, track pants, sneakers, a tube, bless you. [SPEAKER_01]: Halloween would be weeks away, pumpkin's on porches, scarecrows, and yards, apples dripping from trees. [SPEAKER_01]: One drops and I catch it, rub it off and swallow it whole.

1:34[SPEAKER_01]: Hey this is my dream okay. [SPEAKER_01]: I'd pedal through a place packed with characters. [SPEAKER_01]: Friendly people not interested in my business but invested in my happiness because if I'm happy they're happy and if I'm not well then they can change that by offering me to go for a bite, a drink, apple cider pie, good conversation, new conversation about anything but trouble. [SPEAKER_01]: The downtown would be brick buildings, a bakery, a bar, a pizza rear, a post office.

2:02[SPEAKER_01]: The mailman would be whistling. [SPEAKER_01]: The lady at the library would know my name, and would recommend something old. [SPEAKER_01]: Every day would feel familiar. [SPEAKER_01]: Yet brand new. [SPEAKER_01]: Every evening, winding down without incident. [SPEAKER_01]: Every night serenaded by crickets, sending souls off to a peaceful sleep. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and... Every door could be left. [SPEAKER_01]: unlocked. [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Dark Topic of your host, Jack Luna.

2:30[SPEAKER_01]: This is a true crime happening. [SPEAKER_01]: The male pleasant murders. [SPEAKER_01]: The year is 1978. [SPEAKER_01]: The month is October and the place is Mount Pleasant, Iowa. [SPEAKER_01]: Population 7,000. [SPEAKER_01]: A classic Midwestern community, Quaint, Historic, brick buildings downtown, cozy cul-de-sax surrounding people strolling around safely, eating apples whole, no doubt. [SPEAKER_01]: My kind of place, crab apples, I'm not a donkey, I mean, I know I act like one.

3:11[SPEAKER_01]: Halloween is approaching, and so is a budding serial killer, a bad seat a bad apple, a local. [SPEAKER_01]: And what he's capable of will later be tough for this town to swallow. [SPEAKER_01]: Max and Clementine Beaver's had celebrated their 35th wedding anniversary just weeks before their marriage would be forced to its end. [SPEAKER_01]: Max, a World War II vet and town butcher, had come from humble beginnings, his mother during the Great Depression had contracted tuberculosis and was sent to a sanitarium.

3:43[SPEAKER_01]: His father, a farmer, struggled along with everyone else during the Great Depression, but the hand he'd been dealt was pretty bad. [SPEAKER_01]: Max born in the middle was set to weigh at the age of 13 to work and live on another farm when his mother died. [SPEAKER_01]: His memories of her included sitting by her bedside and a senatorium, I believe it can't be said sanitarium or sanitarium, sanitarium, maybe the more period appropriate way of saying it.

4:11[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway sitting by her bedside, while she cried, knowing she wouldn't be able to come home and help braze the children, [SPEAKER_01]: Knowing her husband would have to make the difficult decision to give up some of the kids when she was gone and so was the financial aid the family had received while she was with them. [SPEAKER_01]: This is the kind of story that gives the great depression. [SPEAKER_01]: It's name. [SPEAKER_01]: but Max Beaver's didn't let it to find him.

4:37[SPEAKER_01]: He met his wife Clementine in 1940, Clementine is how she preferred her name Clementine to be pronounced just so you know. [SPEAKER_01]: Clementine was visiting a West Point grocery store as a postmaster's assistant, where Max was a butcher, just outside Mount Pleasant when they met. [SPEAKER_01]: She was a strong young woman, the eldest of eight kids, well put together, a good head in her shoulders, tiny, but mighty. [SPEAKER_01]: That's how their relationship survived when Max was sent off to the Pacific Theatre following the Pearl Harbor attack.

5:10[SPEAKER_01]: When he came home, in one piece, Clementine was waiting for him. [SPEAKER_01]: They went on to have nine children. [SPEAKER_01]: They eventually bought a small tag grocery store in a place-day map, Pleasant, Iowa, and they moved into the apartment above this store. [SPEAKER_01]: They named the grocery, Beaver's Jack and Jill Market. [SPEAKER_01]: Open six and a half days a week, closed only for church on Sunday mornings. [SPEAKER_01]: Max Beavers and his Clementine raised a happy family and lived a happy life.

5:37[SPEAKER_01]: In all American success story, the children grew up in the store, the community adored the Beavers family, who were community pillars. [SPEAKER_01]: In 1961, Max built a home at 509 South Locust Street, a brick, ranch style abode, right across from the Mount Pleasant Elementary School. [SPEAKER_01]: Here the beavers would raise their kids than eventually watch each walk out the door one day onto their own lives. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, they come back with grandchildren.

6:05[SPEAKER_01]: By the fall of 1978, they had only their youngest 16-year-old Carol living at home. [SPEAKER_01]: Max and Clementine and their mid-50s were closing in on retirement. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe early as they had become involved in real estate along the way. [SPEAKER_01]: They'd been busy. [SPEAKER_01]: The beavers. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a good life. [SPEAKER_01]: until death came to spoil it, as it usually does. [SPEAKER_01]: If the killer had had been dressed as the Reaper, nobody would have thought it strange.

6:39[SPEAKER_01]: It's October 29th, the spirit of Halloween is in the air, and looking for company. [SPEAKER_01]: 16-year-old Carol Beavers is a straight-a student, top of her class. [SPEAKER_01]: A popular girl is a small stature but big heart, like her mother. [SPEAKER_01]: She's basically an only child these days despite having eight siblings, and is in her bedroom alone listening to music on the radio this night when a shadow slips into the garage that enters the house.

7:06[SPEAKER_01]: It's 930pm. [SPEAKER_01]: Her father Max is across the hall, door closed, sleeping. [SPEAKER_01]: Max gets up early around 4am to bake bread at the grocery. [SPEAKER_01]: He had watched television in the newly finished basement with his wife and daughter before retiring to bed around 830pm. [SPEAKER_01]: and that's the secret these old guys don't tell anyone when they brag about getting up early. [SPEAKER_01]: They go to bed before sunset.

7:32[SPEAKER_01]: He's fast asleep when the gunshot start. [SPEAKER_01]: He'll sleep through them and wake up to a nightmare. [SPEAKER_01]: His wife Clementine doesn't hear the killer come down the freshly carpeted stairs, brownish gold shag, of course. [SPEAKER_01]: An anniversary gift the beavers had recently bought for themselves was about to suffer its first spill. [SPEAKER_01]: Mrs. Beaver's is facing away from the stairs. [SPEAKER_01]: She's in a rocking chair watching TV, when a bolt action long rifle reaches out over the wet bar behind her, and a 22 bullet is fired into the back of her head.

8:06[SPEAKER_01]: She slumps to her side, and a puddle of blood, begins forming on fresh shag. [SPEAKER_01]: The surprise bartender chambers in other round, works the bolt, and catches the spent [SPEAKER_01]: around his shots for the house, he heads upstairs and finds his next target, 16-year-old Carol coming towards him, inspecting the noise she'd heard. [SPEAKER_01]: They meet in the kitchen. [SPEAKER_01]: Carol doesn't have a chance to scream. [SPEAKER_01]: She has shot through the arm and into the face.

8:35[SPEAKER_01]: When she goes to all force, the killer chambers another round that fires into the back of her head. [SPEAKER_01]: He collects his casings. [SPEAKER_01]: This rifle is broken in a way. [SPEAKER_01]: He can only fire one shot at a time. [SPEAKER_01]: The magazine is not existent. [SPEAKER_01]: He stands still. [SPEAKER_01]: Ears ringing. [SPEAKER_01]: Listening for more movement. [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing. [SPEAKER_01]: That must be everyone.

8:59[SPEAKER_01]: He goes back out the door to the garage and checks the street, everything is still. [SPEAKER_01]: He re-entches the house, drags Carol out to the garage, leaving a long bloody street through the kitchen, then strips her on the cold concrete beside the family bewook. [SPEAKER_01]: Carol is then brutally raped as she dies. [SPEAKER_01]: When the shadow is done, it returns to the darkness, disappearing. [SPEAKER_01]: soon bleeds out. [SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Beaver's, Max, wakes up close to 1am and wonders where his wife is.

9:35[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about sleeping like the dead. [SPEAKER_01]: He exits his bedroom and sees that Carol's door is open. [SPEAKER_01]: His daughter's bed is made. [SPEAKER_01]: Her radio place static as that night's broadcast has completed. [SPEAKER_01]: Max, in a white t-shirt, the shoveled looking already having thrown on a pair of pants with an open belt, is about to become a complete mess. [SPEAKER_01]: He sees the large blood streak in the kitchen leading to the garage, and assumes what he thinks to be the worst.

10:02[SPEAKER_01]: One of the girls cut themselves. [SPEAKER_01]: Badly by the looks of things, and they've rushed off to the hospital. [SPEAKER_01]: Max follows the trail, and soon finds his daughter, naked, lying face up on the cold concrete of the garage, bleeding from the head. [SPEAKER_01]: He rushes to her and quickly realizes that she's dead. [SPEAKER_01]: What happened? [SPEAKER_01]: How the hell, Max isn't shocked. [SPEAKER_01]: He stumbles to the phone back in the kitchen, and in a time before 911 emergency services, he attempts to call the police station for memory, but is one number off.

10:36[SPEAKER_01]: The stranger on the other end takes down the locustry to dress and tells the the strut man on the line that he'll call police for him. [SPEAKER_01]: Max then goes downstairs to check on his wife. [SPEAKER_01]: Good thing the bars down there. [SPEAKER_01]: When police arrive, they find a man dressed in white with blood on him, stumbling around the upper garage and his bare feet. [SPEAKER_01]: The naked body of a small girl lays on the floor.

10:59[SPEAKER_01]: Max beavers is incoherently muttering to himself. [SPEAKER_01]: In the darkness, officers don't immediately recognize Max, and almost shoot him when he begins walking towards them, ignoring their commands. [SPEAKER_01]: Freeze. [SPEAKER_01]: Put your hands up. [SPEAKER_01]: Then the flashlight reveals the town grocer. [SPEAKER_01]: He's unarmed, normally neat and tidy, Mr. Beavers is not so in this moment. [SPEAKER_01]: In a way there had been, this man's life has just been blown to pieces.

11:34[SPEAKER_01]: Finally, Max Beaver's manager's to speak. [SPEAKER_01]: Something has happened to my family. [SPEAKER_01]: Max will be considered the main suspect for some time. [SPEAKER_01]: He had slept through three gunshots and had not woken. [SPEAKER_01]: It soon realized that Mr. Beaver's was hard of hearing. [SPEAKER_01]: His dorm is closed. [SPEAKER_01]: The TV downstairs was playing a crime show the family of a watching before Max went to sleep.

11:58[SPEAKER_01]: This might have made any muffled gunshot noise to the sleeping man subconscious. [SPEAKER_01]: Become chocked up as just the television. [SPEAKER_01]: Max passes a lie detector test, and his hands do not have any gunpowder residue on them. [SPEAKER_01]: He's clearly traumatized by the incident, and his known as one of Mount Pleasant's finest citizens, still there are whispers. [SPEAKER_01]: But nothing can be done to quiet those, except maybe for the true killer to be caught.

12:23[SPEAKER_01]: Even then, these crimes always managed to spoil the reputation of innocent people who are suspected of the beginning. [SPEAKER_01]: He should have woken up. [SPEAKER_01]: He should have protected his girls. [SPEAKER_01]: Max is stared at in town at his grocery as either a killer or a coward. [SPEAKER_01]: All doubt to his guilt, at least in the rape of his daughter, is put to rest when the semen from the scene and saliva recovered from Carol's breasts is found not to belong to her father.

12:50[SPEAKER_01]: Oh good, I'm sure Mr. Beaver's was thrilled to share that news. [SPEAKER_01]: The investigation concluded that the shocking murders have been the grizzly work of an intruder, an outsider. [SPEAKER_01]: Surely. [SPEAKER_01]: There are no suspects, no leads. [SPEAKER_01]: It would take six months for it to become obvious that the killer was in fact local when yet another added the blue murder, turned the mood of Mount Pleasant. [SPEAKER_01]: Black.

13:18[SPEAKER_01]: Special agents investigating the Beaver's murders were posted at a Mount Pleasant Motel named the Iris, to which was attached to the Iris restaurant, which employed a bartender in the early 30's named Susan Wheelock, who would be the next victim. [SPEAKER_01]: Incredible that these agents had been working against a clock that was running out above the head of their nightly bartender during the six-month investigation. [SPEAKER_01]: Susan often served food and drinks and had conversations with the agents and they're down time from the Beaver's case.

13:50[SPEAKER_01]: Susan knew the beaver's and had worked alongside one of the eldest daughter's years back, waitressing at a different restaurant. [SPEAKER_01]: Sue would have known what the agents were looking for, a break in the Beaver's case. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way she could have known it would come from this very restaurant, crashing over her head, in the form of her own murder. [SPEAKER_01]: It's the evening of Friday the 13th, April 1979, a shadow slips through a broken window to a vacant room of the Iris Motel, then sits on a bed smoking, listening to aerosmith on a cassette player.

14:28[SPEAKER_01]: Waiting for the patrons of the restaurant and bar next door. [SPEAKER_01]: To leave. [SPEAKER_01]: Thirty-two-year-old Susan Wheelock is closing down the round table lounge. [SPEAKER_01]: The Iris Restaurant proper closed nightly at 10pm, but the lounge stayed open until 1am. [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes later, if say some special agents were tying one on after another week of being shut out on the Beaver's case. [SPEAKER_01]: It is just past midnight when the shadow vacates and now smokey room 26 to walk a hallway to the restaurant and then hide upstairs in the banquet room.

15:01[SPEAKER_01]: He knows the place well. [SPEAKER_01]: It figures that once all seems quiet downstairs, he'll be able to rob it in peace. [SPEAKER_01]: But despite Friday the 13th becoming Saturday the 14th during this period, Susan's lock hasn't changed. [SPEAKER_01]: She's still destined to become the break in the Beaver's case. [SPEAKER_01]: Susan is a friend with her until the last moments. [SPEAKER_01]: This friend leaves as Susan focuses on her count, the finishing touches on the tail, counting at the next morning's float.

15:30[SPEAKER_01]: It's this exit than locking of the restaurant doors that summons the shadow from above, believing Susan had just exited herself. [SPEAKER_01]: They meet in the kitchen. [SPEAKER_01]: Susan is startled, but quickly relieved to see it's just Monty. [SPEAKER_01]: The Irish is spooky fry cook. [SPEAKER_01]: Long black hair, greasy even when off duty. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty Seeger is a troubled young man whom Sue had often helped out, lending him money, giving him rides home.

15:57[SPEAKER_01]: He'd seen payler these last six months. [SPEAKER_01]: Eyes more sunken, moodier. [SPEAKER_01]: That'll happen to a kid who celebrated his 18th birthday by killing two people on Devil's Night. [SPEAKER_01]: One being his classmate, Carol, who, like Sue, had always been good to money, and often that's the case. [SPEAKER_01]: You'd think poor treatment would provoke such things, but sometimes it's kindness that gets you killed. [SPEAKER_01]: It could give them a wrong idea to the wrong person.

16:25[SPEAKER_01]: Susan may be asked money, what he's doing here, money grabs the large, cherry wood paddle his manager Dave uses to stir the morning's homemade strawberry jam and comes at suit with it. [SPEAKER_01]: Sue runs but is soon hitting the back with the heavy paddle that is being hit in the head over and over until it looks like a jar of jam is hit the floor. [SPEAKER_01]: Money. [SPEAKER_01]: Would you come clean this up? [SPEAKER_01]: Not today, boss.

16:52[SPEAKER_01]: Money's seeker sees that Susan is still alive once he's broken the paddle with his strikes. [SPEAKER_01]: He grabs a couple glass bottles that uses them like drumsticks. [SPEAKER_01]: To beat any fight Susan has left, add a ver. [SPEAKER_01]: Smashing them over her head, until each breaks. [SPEAKER_01]: Certain she is dead, Monty Seager robs the till of $300 or so dollars, takes all the change that's rolled up, then grabs what little the bartender had in her purse.

17:18[SPEAKER_01]: He then exits the way he came, went through the back at the window of the Iris Motel, broken into room, leaving Sue Wheelock to Gargle and Mone for the next five hours on the kitchen floor. [SPEAKER_01]: Not yet dead, but on her way, [SPEAKER_01]: Manager of the Iris Restaurant Dave Heaton shows up just after 6am to find Susan's Mercury Cougar sitting alone in the lot. [SPEAKER_01]: Strange. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she'd had car trouble?

17:48[SPEAKER_01]: Dave then sees that the lights are still on inside the Iris. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not like Susan. [SPEAKER_01]: She's one of his most trusted employees. [SPEAKER_01]: What the heck is going on? [SPEAKER_01]: The front door is locked. [SPEAKER_01]: At least there's that. [SPEAKER_01]: Dave soon finds Susan laying face down on the kitchen floor, her head is a pool of blood. [SPEAKER_01]: There's glass everywhere. [SPEAKER_01]: My paddle.

18:11[SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't say that. [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't care about the paddle in the situation. [SPEAKER_01]: He calls out to Sue, kneels by her side, then hears her take a ragged breath. [SPEAKER_01]: Dave runs to the phone, calls an ambulance, then goes outside to wait for it. [SPEAKER_01]: Hurry. [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks. [SPEAKER_01]: Dave now understands that this was an attack on his play, but someone got to Susan with the front door locked, meaning they may still be in there.

18:34[SPEAKER_01]: Mount Pleasant has been a paranoid place since the Beaver's murders. [SPEAKER_01]: Dave doesn't want to be the next victim. [SPEAKER_01]: Susan Wheelock is airlifted to the University of Iowa Hospital. [SPEAKER_01]: She is breathing rapidly when finally brought out of the Iris restaurant close to 7am as her fellow employees are just arriving. [SPEAKER_01]: They are all told to go home. [SPEAKER_01]: The only work going on here today will be that of a police investigation.

18:59[SPEAKER_01]: Inside, size 10 herring bone design shoe prints are found in the blood. [SPEAKER_01]: Some sources say that these prints match prints found at the Beaver crime scene. [SPEAKER_01]: Six months previous, they also match prints found below a broken window to room 26 of the Iris Motel. [SPEAKER_01]: After finding a pack of marlbrose and an arrowsmith can set in a tape player on the bed, toys in the attic was the album if you're interested.

19:24[SPEAKER_01]: It's deduced that the killer broke in from this point, then walked down a hall to access the Iris restaurant from its inside entrance. [SPEAKER_01]: The killer would have walked this way, to escape as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, Dr. [SPEAKER_01]: Struggled a safe Susan Wheelock, her head injuries proved to be too detrimental. [SPEAKER_01]: There was no real evidence of a sexual assault, though she did have a bruised to her pelvic region.

19:48[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps she'd been kicked. [SPEAKER_01]: Susan never regains consciousness and dies three days after the attack. [SPEAKER_01]: She is an organ donor, one recipient got her eyes, a few more had their lives saved with other organs. [SPEAKER_01]: Six people received help in this way from Sue, who was remembered by friends and family as a kind and giving human being, even in death. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not meant to be another off-color joke.

20:12[SPEAKER_01]: Susan would have signed herself off as a donor in life, or a family would have known that's what she would have wanted, because of her thoughtful nature. [SPEAKER_01]: But who would have thought to kill her? [SPEAKER_01]: The investigation begins with interviews of those employed by the Iris. [SPEAKER_01]: 18-year-old Fry Cook Monny Seagur is quickly thought to be an interesting suspect. [SPEAKER_01]: He had been questioned in the Beaver's murders as he was a classmate of carols, but had not drawn suspicion.

20:41[SPEAKER_01]: Despite being considered white trash and having just days before the Iris Restaurant murder dropped at a school, Monty Seagre was known to be an intelligent kid. [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be a troubled, though and unlikely killer. [SPEAKER_01]: It turns out people didn't know much about Monty. [SPEAKER_01]: A quiet kid who had shown up a mountain pleasant a few years earlier to live with his blind father, who like everyone else. [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't have seen this coming.

21:05[SPEAKER_01]: Born October 27th, my birthday as well. [SPEAKER_01]: That's nice. [SPEAKER_01]: 1960 in Mount Pleasant, Iowa, to a 15 year old mother and a blind belligerent alcoholic father in his 20s. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty didn't stand much of a chance. [SPEAKER_01]: His dad, Harry, had run his car into a park semi in the highway and fractured his skull, broke his leg, but worst of all he lost his eyes. [SPEAKER_01]: He was actually the recipient of, no, he was not the recipient of [SPEAKER_01]: to many jokes.

21:35[SPEAKER_01]: Monty's father was known as a town drunk. [SPEAKER_01]: He walked around with a white cane and lived off his social security. [SPEAKER_01]: Annie lived off his young wife who was working until after having three more children following Monty she deserved the family. [SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot. [SPEAKER_01]: She originally left just Harry and took the kids, but then on Boxing Day of 1967, Monty's little brother accidentally set their rental house on fire, playing with a candle, and burned all the presents, burned the fucking whole house down, and they were left homeless.

22:05[SPEAKER_01]: Monty's mother at that point dropped the kids off with their father, and left. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty as a result was put into foster care at age 7. [SPEAKER_01]: He bounced around to half a dozen homes until he ran away from one at age 15 and started living in a tent by the railroad tracks in the woods. [SPEAKER_01]: He committed his first notable crime, there were some childhood arson's, at this time, by hiding in a sporting good store until it closed, then stealing a rifle, some ammo, to hunt with.

22:34[SPEAKER_01]: Monny was quickly arrested having told friends about his predicament in the woods. [SPEAKER_01]: He was tracked down and a bunch of stolen goods were found in his possession. [SPEAKER_01]: The judge took pity on the boy and had him sent to a group home for troubled youth. [SPEAKER_01]: Monny stole a car and broken his homes. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, the system had mercy. [SPEAKER_01]: How could they not? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is a pretty rough childhood.

22:56[SPEAKER_01]: Monny's coming from. [SPEAKER_01]: Monny does do some time in Juvie, but he's soon released into the care of his father, Harry, who is a girl from this time who's upstanding, able to see, doesn't fall over a lot, and willing to help with the boy. [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I know it's no excuse, but I used to work with the blind, and then make a lot of jokes with them, they love making jokes, so I feel like I can get away with it, maybe I can't, but just know, like, fuck, I can't help myself, I should, but I can.

23:24[SPEAKER_01]: Can you see where I'm coming from? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, shit. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty Seeger at age 17 returns to Mount Pleasant, where he's put it into a class with Carol Beaver's, who he becomes fascinated with. [SPEAKER_01]: Carol is a bright, kind, pretty girl. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty takes up photography and begins snapping photos of his classmates, mostly the girls, or some reason. [SPEAKER_01]: And they love it. [SPEAKER_01]: Getting candid shots in themselves by the new older boy who turns out to be a talented photographer.

23:51[SPEAKER_01]: Later, in Monty's possession, we'll be found photos of Carol Beaver's and waitresses from the Iris restaurant, who he called Slats who didn't wear bras, this included Susan Wheelock. [SPEAKER_01]: Creepy, these photos are, even creepier, one of the photos will later be used in a memorial for 16-year-old Carol Beaver's. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, nobody knew that her killer had previously given Carol the pitcher as a gift. [SPEAKER_01]: Monny Seaguer becomes a prime suspect of the Iris restaurant murder case when fellow employees share that the fried cook had been rumored to break into the restaurant at night and steal booze on occasion.

24:28[SPEAKER_01]: Monny had been harassing employees including Sue the evening of her murder, asking to borrow 20 bucks until payday. [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to buy some weed, he's a pothead. [SPEAKER_01]: Still a big deal in the late 70s, in a place like Mount Pleasant Iowa, it turns out. [SPEAKER_01]: It points to deviant tendencies in their minds, never mind that Monty had been drinking straight whiskey all that evening, which had a way of bringing the acting, riddled, greasers childhood issues up, like vomit.

24:59[SPEAKER_01]: I should mention that many believe Monty had an accomplice in the Wheelock Murder, but never routed him out. [SPEAKER_01]: The use of the paddle and the bottles seemed unnecessary unless there were two attackers using two different improvised weapons. [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't additional set of shoe prints of the scene never identified. [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, Monty is brought in for questioning and is soon realized to be wearing jeans with blood on them, laying on a shirt, and he has shoes on the perfectly matched prints from the crime scene.

25:28[SPEAKER_01]: A saliva sample shows Monty to be an old positive secreater, which is the type of the beaver's killer. [SPEAKER_01]: Though not rare. [SPEAKER_01]: The blood on his clothes will match Susan Willox, a search warrant turns up strange photos of the recent victims taken candidly by money at school and work. [SPEAKER_01]: Rolls of coins like those stolen for the restaurant are recovered along with some cash and weed. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty's stepmother comes forward saying that she saw Monty burning something in a trashcan, at the back of their house, following the Beaver's murders, she didn't think it too odd, for him to be burning stuff in a trashcan at the back of their house.

26:05[SPEAKER_01]: As that was their way of getting rid of garbage, and it was Monty's chore. [SPEAKER_01]: I told you Monty Seer was white trash. [SPEAKER_01]: His stepmother said that she had given Monty a new shirt and jeans for his birthday. [SPEAKER_01]: She hadn't seen them since the murders, and that morning he was burning something in his underwear, probably those clothes covered in blood. [SPEAKER_01]: Also bullets matching the caliber used in the Beaver's case and a rifle were spotted in Monty's room during the search warrant, as was a necklace that's beyond, by Carol Beaver's.

26:37[SPEAKER_01]: But at this point, investigators are not permitted to seize anything to do with a gun or to do with the Beaver's case, as none of this was used in the murder that they were investigating at the Iris Restaurant of Susan. [SPEAKER_01]: Wheelock. [SPEAKER_01]: They have enough to charge Monty Seeger in the Wheelock murder who claims this in a sense despite the blood all over the shoes, the marks and his arms that seem likely to have come from a recent struggle with a woman fighting for her life.

27:02[SPEAKER_01]: On April 18, 1979, he is arrested at his [SPEAKER_01]: Montia be kicked out of his dad's again this time for stepping it through all the roof It was a mehatic and his foot fell through the roof the ceiling raining down A bunch of us best is on his poor fucking father's head money seagr is charged with first-degree murder and bond is set at 130 grand [SPEAKER_01]: While the young man waits in jail for his trial, investigators get into the beaver's case.

27:35[SPEAKER_01]: They want a warrant for the bullets and a rifle that noticed in Marty's room at his father's, they eventually get it and find the bullet type to be a match, but that the rifle had been tampered with to disguise the rifling on bullets. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no way to clearly define this rifle [SPEAKER_01]: All this shit, I'm just recording this in a middle and night in a storm and just heard a growl, I don't know if you heard that. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm haunted by the way, just fucking, it's not just me, I mean, the old world's haunted.

28:08[SPEAKER_01]: I just have to put myself in a situation that... [SPEAKER_01]: You know, in fights it, there's no way to clearly define this rifle and use to fire the bullets into Clementine and Carol Beavers. [SPEAKER_01]: Monti turns out as no dummy, as I cues close to 130, though as the detectives close in improving him to be the now serial killer of Mount Pleasant, he might be making one, an anticipation of his upcoming escape from jail. [SPEAKER_01]: Monte Seger is booked at the Moine County jail in Burlington, Iowa, as this facility is closer to his lawyer.

28:42[SPEAKER_01]: He is thrown into a cell of the fourth story of the building where a single jailer is assigned to watch over him and a few other prisoners, Monte gets a visit from his younger brother at one point, his brother brings him a hacksaw. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty works to saw the padlock on his cell over the next week or so. [SPEAKER_01]: At one point his cell is stripped, but Monty manages to hide the hacksaw effectively above his cell door. [SPEAKER_01]: He got one jailer in this place.

29:09[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't sound like he's fucking greatest jailer either. [SPEAKER_01]: On August 19th, 1979, at around 1 AM, Monty Seager busted the padlock he'd been sawing at and walked out of his cell. [SPEAKER_01]: The jailer had never noticed this sawing happening because he wasn't there, he was with his wife, eating dinner and shit, and Monty had used to saw underneath the padlock so it wasn't visible from above it, what he'd been doing. [SPEAKER_01]: To it, the jailer had lived with his wife in an apartment of the building was fast asleep, [SPEAKER_01]: At the time when Monty just pushed and shoved on his cell hard enough to break the lock.

29:46[SPEAKER_01]: Monty seeger then dragged a long woven rope he had made from ripping up his bedsheets over to a thinly barred window at the end of the hall. [SPEAKER_01]: Walking past six other prisoners and saying goodbye to them, he then pried the bars apart with his hands, creating a space large enough to climb through. [SPEAKER_01]: He opened the window, tied his makeshift rope to a radiator, and lowered himself to freedom. [SPEAKER_01]: The rope only made it down three stories.

30:14[SPEAKER_01]: Monty dropped to the ground, the final story, and came away unscathed. [SPEAKER_01]: He then ran into the surrounding community. [SPEAKER_01]: and soon stole a bike. [SPEAKER_01]: He wrote it to the outskirts of town where he found a barn to hide out in until morning. [SPEAKER_01]: There was a church nearby, and because this was Sunday, he would soon have a shot to steal a vehicle from outside this church. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he knows what he's doing here.

30:38[SPEAKER_01]: Around the time as a scape as discovered, 18-year-old Monty Seeger is driving at a town in a red [SPEAKER_01]: Monty then embarks on a crime spree, breaking him to homes and stealing valuables, including many rifles, handguns, ammo, he even finds a smoke bomb in one residence where a cop lived. [SPEAKER_01]: He ponds jewelry and other items along the way to keep him going. [SPEAKER_01]: He travels south through Missouri, then Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico.

31:09[SPEAKER_01]: He's three weeks into his escape when an Arizona on September 13th at dusk. [SPEAKER_01]: He finally gets himself caught by speeding. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty pulls over and takes off on the officer approaches his vehicle. [SPEAKER_01]: A chasing sues where Monty gets away twice by turning off his headlights and barreling down dark dirt roads, but the chase is relentless and backup units swarm the area. [SPEAKER_01]: At one point while being chased by multiple police cars back in a highway, Monty threw the smoke grenade at the window and it effectively blinded the tailing officers.

31:45[SPEAKER_01]: He's going over 110 miles per hour and they're forced to slow down to a stop. [SPEAKER_01]: He makes a great distance between himself and the pursuit. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty soon seems to leave the ears on a PD in his dust while traveling down a gravel road. [SPEAKER_01]: No sirens in the distance. [SPEAKER_01]: But then he crashes into a cattle fence. [SPEAKER_01]: Totally in the Toyota. [SPEAKER_01]: Goddamn. [SPEAKER_01]: Just like his father.

32:08[SPEAKER_01]: Balls out. [SPEAKER_01]: Except in this case, the sun kept his. [SPEAKER_01]: the fuck. [SPEAKER_01]: What is that? [SPEAKER_01]: Monty sees only one option. [SPEAKER_01]: He takes a 45 with him in Samamo, leaving behind a cache of stolen weapons. [SPEAKER_01]: He makes his way to the highway and begins hitchhiking. [SPEAKER_01]: He's eventually picked up by police who are now looking for a one-monti-seagre. [SPEAKER_01]: The kid who stole a red Toyota found crashed after escaping a massive chase.

32:35[SPEAKER_01]: After escaping jail in Iowa and charges, they could stretch to three recent homicides they have now learned. [SPEAKER_01]: Monte C. here's tired. [SPEAKER_01]: He gets in the squad car, first handing the arresting officer a bag. [SPEAKER_01]: Once at the station in booked, the bag is opened and the 45 discovered. [SPEAKER_01]: Load it. [SPEAKER_01]: Officers look at one another, blown away by this kit. [SPEAKER_01]: One of them, almost literally.

33:03[SPEAKER_01]: Monty Seeger receives a five-year sentence for the crime spree and has put it in an Arizona jail, where he syn attempts to escape in his cot, so is then transferred to a maximum security present. [SPEAKER_01]: By January of 1980, now 19-year-old Monty is extradited back to Iowa for the Susan Wheelock Murdertrow. [SPEAKER_01]: It took until that summer for Monty to finally face some music, other than that blaring from a stolen car radio while basking the sweet emotion of escaping the scene of every crime he'd ever committed.

33:35[SPEAKER_01]: and there have been many in his young life. [SPEAKER_01]: He still manages to come away on top by negotiating a second-degree murder conviction, claiming Susan Wheelock had surprised him while he robbed the IRS and he not meant to beat her to death, not meant to even see her there. [SPEAKER_01]: SIGI received a sentence of 40 years, which is a lot, but not enough when a killer like him is only 19, it's sentencing and likely to be paroled at some point.

33:59[SPEAKER_01]: There was still time to be served in Arizona, but you know how these things seem to wash away in the system. [SPEAKER_01]: The Beaver's case was next, however, and considering the gruesome nature of it, Monti Seger should have been worried, but he wasn't. [SPEAKER_01]: He'd sufficiently screwed with the murder weapon. [SPEAKER_01]: The investigation hinged on his saliva type, which 40% of people shared, there was no shoe print evidence as I mentioned earlier.

34:24[SPEAKER_01]: That was wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: There was a large belt buckle imprint on 16-year-old Carol, however, that I missed. [SPEAKER_01]: Pushed there in blood that came from the killer laying a top-of-urb when he raped her. [SPEAKER_01]: Monty was known to wear a big belt buckle, but it was never recovered. [SPEAKER_01]: He got rid of everything, burned it, but then investigators learned that Monty was known to fire his rifle at the dump. [SPEAKER_01]: Into targets attached to old wooden posts holding up deserted railway track.

34:53[SPEAKER_01]: they recover bullets from the posts. [SPEAKER_01]: And one is an identical match to the bullet removed from Clementine beavers. [SPEAKER_01]: If I have a minute clear, he's screwed with the rifling on his gun by scratching it all up on his rifle. [SPEAKER_01]: On the inside, this is rifling. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's, I should know this because if I can, I bet to buy one. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's, there's grooves and there's pits, valleys in the, the rifling.

35:22[SPEAKER_01]: like gutters on the inside and that helps the trajectory of a bullet be more true. [SPEAKER_01]: And it rubs off onto a bullet as it's shot and then it leaves a kind of a fingerprint on each bullet. [SPEAKER_01]: But what Monty had done was screwed with the rifling in his rifle after he had used for these murders. [SPEAKER_01]: And so when they brought to ballistics and shot a bullet, [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it wasn't the same as what was found on the victims, but these bullets of the recover from his target practice, previous to the murders, do match.

35:59[SPEAKER_01]: It seems that Blyssics has done it, but there's an issue with the search warrant originally obtained to get Monty's rifle. [SPEAKER_01]: It turns that an officer claimed to have noticed a heart-shaped locket in Monty's room during the search warrant specific to the Susan Wheelock restaurant murder. [SPEAKER_01]: Carol Beaver, 16 years old, had such a locket ripped from her neck during her rape and murder. [SPEAKER_01]: This claimed by the officer that he saw this locket is how the search warrant was obtained [SPEAKER_01]: But they never recovered that locket.

36:30[SPEAKER_01]: And the officer couldn't prove he'd actually seen it. [SPEAKER_01]: So Monti's defense said, he's lying, this officer. [SPEAKER_01]: He never saw a locket. [SPEAKER_01]: There is no locket. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's lied in order to be able to get this search warrant. [SPEAKER_01]: And now Monti's rifle and ammunition was void. [SPEAKER_01]: In court, the rifle and ballistic evidence is removed from eligibility and trial. [SPEAKER_01]: It's really all they had.

36:56[SPEAKER_01]: Solid, and the case is blown to smithereens. [SPEAKER_01]: Monteseed your face is no charges, they don't even go to trial, they don't even bother in the horrifying deaths of mother Clementine and her daughter Carol. [SPEAKER_01]: He goes off to service previous sentences, which will no doubt end in early parole. [SPEAKER_01]: The Beaver's case goes cold. [SPEAKER_01]: That is until 13 years later, in 1993, when a former friend of Monti's Dennis Cornell contacts investigators to say he has information on the Beaver's murders.

37:28[SPEAKER_01]: Dennis is the friend, some believe Monti covered for, in the Iris Restaurant murder. [SPEAKER_01]: If so, Monti, it seems, had misplaced his loyalty. [SPEAKER_01]: Cornell has a long criminal career that has recently culminated in him being charged with first-degree murder. [SPEAKER_01]: He kidnapped and robbed a stock broker in Chicago, tied him up, put a bag over his head, and left the man to suffocate in the trunk of his car. [SPEAKER_01]: Dennis Cornell shares what he says actually happened to Clementine and Carol Beavers.

37:58[SPEAKER_01]: It's not clear why he wants to do this. [SPEAKER_01]: Investigators hear him out. [SPEAKER_01]: Dennis is full of shit. [SPEAKER_01]: He claims the father Max Beaver's hired him in Monty to kill his wife. [SPEAKER_01]: They were to receive $3,000 of what would prove to actually be a $17,000 life insurance policy that did pay out to Max Beaver's. [SPEAKER_01]: The problem was that Dennis claimed he'd sprayed the house with bullets, killing Clementine but also the daughter accidentally.

38:26[SPEAKER_01]: And that's it. [SPEAKER_01]: The investigators ask. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's how it happened, Dennis says. [SPEAKER_01]: Of course it isn't. [SPEAKER_01]: Still investigators see this as a chance to get Monty Seager talking again. [SPEAKER_01]: They bring him the strange story, and Monty against his better judgment begins to talk. [SPEAKER_01]: And this plays perfectly into the hands of Lion Forzman. [SPEAKER_01]: They manipulate Monty into admitting the rifle found in his room was his, and the Dennis who claims to have used it for target practice at the dump with Monty, never touched it.

38:56[SPEAKER_01]: I want to let that leesle anywhere near my rifle. [SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing. [SPEAKER_01]: To this point, Montessirger has simply behaved as if the rifle never existed, knowing that it could potentially be thrown out as evidence, which as we know it had been. [SPEAKER_01]: Though kept stored, in case a break like this came in the future. [SPEAKER_01]: A judge's rules of this enough evidence for the rifle to be brought back into consideration regarding the Beaver's case, considering the former prime suspect, Mati Seger now 32, has recently admitted on tape to it being his, and having owned it and fired it at the dump for target practice leading up to the time of the murders, the dump being the place where the bullets that match the Beaver's crime scene were recovered.

39:41[SPEAKER_01]: It's not clear why Dennis Cornell came forward with information that seemed to implicate himself for no reason. [SPEAKER_01]: Some think he was trying to return a favor to Monty. [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps Dennis was involved with the Susan Wheelluck murder, and because Monty had covered for him, and now Dennis was pretty much fucked after being sentenced for murder himself, it didn't matter if he took the fall. [SPEAKER_01]: But Monty's Seagre was cruising along just fine with that anyhow.

40:05[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't make sense that he'd screw with a good thing, asking Dennis to do this form. [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows what happened? [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody does. [SPEAKER_01]: I figured at first that Dennis had to be angling for a deal. [SPEAKER_01]: If so, he took a strange trajectory and caused way more trouble for both himself and Monty Seeger. [SPEAKER_01]: Colonel would end up being parolelled anyways in 2015, but sent back to prison after zip tying a woman and putting a box cutter to her throat during a robbery.

40:32[SPEAKER_01]: It's unlikely he'll ever be released as a result. [SPEAKER_01]: By 1998, the Beaver's case is back, and Monty Seaguer is again the prime suspect. [SPEAKER_01]: DNA evidence can come into play, but unfortunately the sperm from that scene wasn't properly stored and can't be tested. [SPEAKER_01]: And Monty must be thinking, what's a guy got to do to be recognized as a serial killer around here. [SPEAKER_01]: I gave you guns, bullets, footprints, bloody shirts, pants, saliva, seamen, I took photographs of the girls before I killed him for crying out loud.

41:03[SPEAKER_01]: Remember when I smoked bomb, the cops in the highway, he thought I was just doing f-for kicks? [SPEAKER_01]: The trial happens this time, mainly because the ballistic evidence is now usable. [SPEAKER_01]: Marty Seaguer is now in his late 30s. [SPEAKER_01]: He's balding in a little overweight. [SPEAKER_01]: By my estimation, at least I mean he's 510 looks to be about 230. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 62225. [SPEAKER_01]: He looks a bit bigger than me.

41:24[SPEAKER_01]: He's fat. [SPEAKER_01]: Clean shaving, he looks like a fat cat business man, and possesses that smugness. [SPEAKER_01]: The result of this trial will either be a first-degree murder indictment or nothing at all. [SPEAKER_01]: The prosecution pushes their chips in. [SPEAKER_01]: If they can't get Monty with the rifle evidence, this case is shot in the head anyways, and maybe another victim will be too, once Monty's inevitably released.

41:55[SPEAKER_01]: But they get him. [SPEAKER_01]: The judge calls it on June 30, 1998, guilty. [SPEAKER_01]: Mati Seeger is seen writing down a note as the sentences lay down on him. [SPEAKER_01]: He's eventually handed two life sentences and told by the judge that it'll never be released from prison. [SPEAKER_01]: It's later discovered that the note Mati Seeger wrote down when convicted to said this, quote, I don't believe it. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was right not to.

42:22[SPEAKER_01]: Monty appeals the sentence and was rewarded a re-trial, based on the fact that the jury heard an inconsequential piece of information involving Monty's senior growing marijuana at the time of the murders. [SPEAKER_01]: It was decided this was unfair to the defendant and could have swayed the jury's opinion of him. [SPEAKER_01]: Damn, they really believe we'd at the time was the devil in Iowa. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you got this guy who has evidence against him that He shot a mother in the back of the head and then went upstairs shot her daughter in the face and then shot her in the back of the head before dragging her into the garage stripping her raping her while she's still alive And then leaving her to die and for a father to find her [SPEAKER_01]: And they're worried that the opinion of the jury could be skewed by knowing that Monty was growing marijuana at the time, what are they smoking?

43:19[SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, Monty is eventually found guilty once again on August 27th of 2000. [SPEAKER_01]: Max Beavers is 77 years old and two tired even attend the past his testimony in the case. [SPEAKER_01]: He's given testimony in three times. [SPEAKER_01]: He tells the son to give him a call [SPEAKER_01]: It is the judge sentences money seeker for the last time. [SPEAKER_01]: And Monty this time appears to believe it. [SPEAKER_01]: He has become a man of God and jail, and though he prayed to be released to be found guilty, he seems to accept his fate, though he does appeal one more time.

43:57[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't go through. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, God, he got me, he got me, God. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're cool. [SPEAKER_01]: He's ordered to pay the Beaver's family funeral costs from 20 years ago, [SPEAKER_01]: Just as he'll never be able to explain to this god of his why he dragged this thing out so long, to dragging things, at least he emits it, he does admit that he did what we spoke about in the beginning when it came to the beavers murders.

44:24[SPEAKER_01]: Finally, he admits it to a very important character in this story, I've not yet mentioned but will now. [SPEAKER_01]: In his admission in prison, to this character, Monty says that he can explain why he did what he did to the beavers, except to say that it was like driving a car without steering or brakes. [SPEAKER_01]: In the case of Susan Willock, he still sticks to having been surprised by her presence and killed an panic. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a shitty old coward.

44:51[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of information on this case that I could continue to share, but instead I'll shed out the main and only source I had for this. [SPEAKER_01]: A man who got the eventual only confession from Montycegar, a man who has a teen worked at the Iris restaurant with Monty and Susan Willock, and new 16-year-old Carol Beavers. [SPEAKER_01]: Author and Judge CJ Williams. [SPEAKER_01]: I've never had a more solid source besides the credentials, Judge CJ Williams grew up with the story.

45:22[SPEAKER_01]: It may have even pushed him to enter law. [SPEAKER_01]: Check out his incredible book on the case, a monster in Mount Pleasant by CJ Williams. [SPEAKER_01]: There's a link in the show notes I highly recommend it. [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of insights to the case that I left untouched at a respect for his work. [SPEAKER_01]: And to be clear, I wasn't asked to do any of what I just did. [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like, oh, they reached out to you, said this story.

45:45[SPEAKER_01]: If you shout out, whatever, that's not what's happening here. [SPEAKER_01]: I just have a lot of respect for the source material here. [SPEAKER_01]: And the book came out last year. [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people might not know about this case. [SPEAKER_01]: And the other way, you can really truly get to know this cases through that book. [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how I learned of it. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to show some integrity here after all my fucking around.

46:06[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I just haven't integrity. [SPEAKER_01]: I believe it or not. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like fucking most people in this space, kidding, this, I don't care. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to show some integrity. [SPEAKER_01]: I must go for a bike ride to clear my head through my little town that's raining dead leaves and dropping little apples that I will swallow hole until I'm satisfied. [SPEAKER_01]: I've been sober as a Judge CJ Williams, but here's a little secret.

46:36[SPEAKER_01]: If you eat the older apples off the ground, the fermenting ones, you get a bus, but you got a swallow them all. [SPEAKER_01]: Until next time, keep those eyes cut, those doors locked in stay paranoid, and I started to be so weird, it was a long episode, research wise, even though I was pulling from a book. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's research, right, and rewriting it, and then fucking [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man, just the spooks.

47:02[SPEAKER_01]: I got something, I think we all do. [SPEAKER_01]: You can, it's a light flickering, it's all of life's a mystery. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these people who don't believe in anything and say, you know, you just live and you die. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, fuck, that's what you do. [SPEAKER_01]: But there is a lot more going on. [SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't believe that, then fucking, the thing is, is that we are living in a mystery.

47:25[SPEAKER_01]: You don't believe in mystery, you're living in one. [SPEAKER_01]: right you don't know where you came from you don't know where you're going you live in the middle of fucking nowhere i do on earth but we all live in the middle of nowhere when it comes to living on earth it's uh... something to come through your mic when you're recording podcasts what i do i think it's something something's going on [SPEAKER_01]: But that's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: It's heartening, and if you trust my take on it, then maybe you can be heartened by it as well, or scared by it.

48:02[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, there's a train. [SPEAKER_01]: So, whatever, help you enjoy it, and stay tuned. [SPEAKER_01]: Lots more to come. [SPEAKER_01]: Check out Patreon for additional content links in the show notes. [SPEAKER_01]: Big love, everybody.