4 Oct 2026 · 20 min
The Breastfeeding vs. Formula Debate, Debunked
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Podcast · Society & Culture
Diabolical Lies
by Katie Gatti Tassin & Caro Claire Burke · English · Society & Culture
Smart. Sane. Unbearable. www.diabolicalliespod.com
- New episodes
- Every two weeks
- Typical length
- 39 min
- Latest
- 4 Oct 2026
- Language
- English
Latest episode
Earlier episodes 29 most recent
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6 Sep 2026 · 27 min
Q&A: Creative Process, Conspiracy Theories, Careers Under Capitalism, & the Cop in Your Head
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Caro & Katie discuss your questions about: * Whether the “financial independence, retire early” movement is an effective way to Cordyceps-bug (visual below) capitalism for your own freedom or a gateway drug to the life-diminishing tendency to obsess about money * Why Katie would accept Fox News’s radical Marxist label * Caro’s Yesteryear experience and why success sometimes feels like failure * The creative process and whether creating from a place of defensiveness makes for shittier art * The future of…
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23 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 50 min
Nara Smith & the Great Tradwife Exodus
A quick heads-up: Around 1:34:00, we discuss postpartum psychosis, depression, filicide, and the Lindsay Clancy trial (no graphic descriptions). If that’s not something you’re up for today, take care and skip ahead to 1:40:00. It only felt fitting to wrap up our pre-maternity leave regularly scheduled programming with a conversation that brings our very first episode full circle. Skeptics of the tradwife shtick have long observed that tradwife influencers aren’t actually exposed to the risks of the conservative, traditional lifestyle they’re aestheticizing, because they—presumably—have…
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9 Aug 2026 · 17 min
Does Hating Influencers Make You a Misogynist?
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26 Jul 2026 · 2 hr 39 min
How "Abundance" Lost the Left
The Democratic Party was facing an identity crisis when Donald Trump began his second term in January 2025. Just two months later, Democratic media Thinkboiz Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson published Abundance . Their theory of the case: We could “solve our problems with supply,” and that to do so, we needed to pursue “a liberalism that builds,” an idea that meant aspiring to “more than redistribution […], more than parceling out the present.” The text of Abundance focuses almost exclusively on examples of government proceduralism and self-defeating obstruction, while at times quoting books…
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12 Jul 2026 · 19 min
How 'The Botox Psyop' Broke Our Brains in the Name of Beauty
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28 Jun 2026 · 2 hr 14 min
Alex Cooper, Alix Earle, & the Business of Relatability
Alex Cooper is one of the most successful podcast hosts in the country. Alix Earle is one of the most popular TikTok stars in America. The women, who appear to be separated by a single vowel and little else, have become central to a slow-burning pop culture feud representing two distinct, radically divergent archetypes: the Mean Girl™ and the Girl’s Girl.™ Cooper’s storied past includes a messy, public split with her former Call Her Daddy cohost, Sofia Franklyn, which she parlayed into an enormous deal with Spotify and, later, SiriusXM. Earle’s background is simpler and cleaner, involving a…
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14 Jun 2026 · 16 min
How Reality TV Makes Us All Republicans
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31 May 2026 · 2 hr 25 min
The "Rise" and Fall of the Girlboss
RESTOCK ALERT: Just in time for your summer vacation, the Banned Books tote is back in stock. Alt. title: Katie finally bites off more than she can chew and attempts a nuanced exploration of the Lean In, Girlboss cultural era. 13 years ago, Sheryl Sandberg published Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead . The following year, Sophia Amoruso published #GIRLBOSS . The broad understanding of this period was that—for a few solid years—we widely embraced the edicts of “corporate feminism” or “Lean In feminism” or “Girlboss feminism,” so named for a societal shift that saw a recognition and…
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17 May 2026 · 15 min
How to Give Birth in America, Pt. 2
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3 May 2026 · 2 hr 17 min
Gen Z Women's New "Anti-Woke Voice"
NEW SWAG ALERT 🚨 The Small Government line is back & better than ever. Get yours here . Katie’s back on her metaphoric “What’s Charlie Kirk up to these days?” editorial grind—checking in with one of the hottest new Gen Z Lady Voices taking the middle-aged men of the center-right by storm. In this episode, we check in with a writer we haven’t discussed since one of our very first episodes: Freya India, also known as three Jonathan Haidts in a very hot 26-year-old trenchcoat, just published her first book, Girls®—an excoriation of the modern world and its effects on The Youth (or, more…
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19 Apr 2026 · 21 min
Who's Afraid of Hasan Piker?
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5 Apr 2026 · 1 hr 42 min
The Caro Episode
Order Yesteryear if you like nice things, have good taste, or don’t want Katie to show up in the middle of the night at your house with a strongly worded remonstration. What does it feel like to spend 10 years of your life pursuing an uncertain dream when the chances of breakthrough success are one in a million? What does it feel like to—finally, at long last—be “the one”? Caro Claire Burke, one-half of your favorite podcast, is publishing her debut novel this Tuesday, April 7. Yesteryear is mouthy, thrilling, important, ambitious, and, as one of my favorite reviews said, “moves like a…
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22 Mar 2026 · 49 min
How 'Love Story'—and the Kennedys—Fooled America
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8 Mar 2026 · 2 hr 29 min
Jeffrey Epstein & the Ordinary Misogyny of "Extraordinary" Men
Some quick housekeeping to start this lovely Sunday: If you’ve already pre-ordered Caro’s debut novel Yesteryear, or wish to do so now , Knopf wants to thank you. They’re sending custom, limited edition bandanas to DL Substack subscribers — all you have to do is input proof of your order in this link here , and they’ll ship you the bandana, clean and simple. (This is only for US subscribers.) Thanks so much for the support, y’all! Jeffrey Epstein got away with it because he was richer than God. No — he got away with it because he had a rolodex filled with the most influential and powerful…
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22 Feb 2026 · 26 min
The Myth of Centrism
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com If you pay attention to political commentary, you’ll often hear a few pieces of conventional wisdom: — America is “too polarized” — “Both sides” are “too extreme” — Or, most innocuously, that politicians should simply do that which is “popular,” which is itself code for policies that are considered “moderate” But do voters really punish candidates for being extreme? Are most “popular” ideas the “moderate” ones? And, moderate or not, does popularity necessarily indicate merit? The supposed antidote to this…
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8 Feb 2026 · 1 hr 57 min
Usha Vance, Rama Duwaji, & the Tragedy of Heterosexuality
Little bit of a heterosexual smackdown taking place today! But first, some housekeeping: As a reminder: Caro’s debut novel, YESTERYEAR , is coming out this spring (April 7th, to be exact), and she would love to see you all at the evening launch event in NYC. One can reasonably assume there will be laughter, tears, a book signing, and Caro on a stage looking incredibly sweaty while she talks about all things America, womanhood, tradwives, writing sex scenes in fiction, etc. She’ll be joined on stage by the famed pod duo Claire Parker and Ashley Hamilton as moderators for the evening, which…
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25 Jan 2026 · 28 min
ICE is a Public Jobs Program for Losers
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Note : This episode was filmed on Monday, January 19 and the edit was finalized early on Saturday, January 24, before news broke about the second (known) ICE execution in Minneapolis of 37-year-old Minneapolis resident Alex Pretti. Today, we’re talking about a beloved American pastime: killing civilians in the name of public safety. On the right, you’ll watch JD Vance and his trademark charmless sneer explain that this is only happening because civilians are being disorderly. Kristi Noem will tell…
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11 Jan 2026 · 2 hr 17 min
Scott Galloway vs. Heated Rivalry: Who Will Save the Men?
Have you heard? The men of America are in the midst of an existential crisis. A battle for good, evil, and the future of humanity. Who will emerge out of the darkness to lead the masses to freedom? Enter, stage left: one Scott Galloway. Enter, stage right: two extremely hot and horny hockey players. WHICH OF THESE HEROES WILL SLAY GLORIA STEINHEM RESTORE GLOBAL DIGNITY TO THE MEN? Today, we find out. A note from Caro before we begin: If the details within this episode cause your brain to overheat, I recommend pausing and listening to one of two auditory meditations: * any live version of…
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28 Dec 2025 · 8 min
The Texasification of America
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Earlier this month, the Office of the Texas Governor Greg Abbott quietly released a statement that “emphasized the importance of TPUSA Club America chapter enrollment and involvement on high school campuses across the state,” in effect signaling their intent to support after-school programs for right-wing extremism in Texas public schools. This would appear to be your average, garden-variety depressing update relevant only to those living where the Stars At Night Are Big And Bright, except for the fact…
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24 Dec 2025 · 6 min
BONUS: Caro & Katie React to the Erika Kirk CBS Town Hall
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Surprise! Caro & Katie react in real time to the programming we all should’ve seen coming: “CBS News Presents: A Town Hall with Erika Kirk.”
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16 Dec 2025 · 39 min
Don't Go to Starbucks This Holiday Season. Here's Why.
Coming at you with our first ever bonus conversation for the public, in which we discuss the ongoing Starbucks Workers United strike taking place at hundreds of locations (and growing) all over the country right now. It’s also a conversation in which we offer a humble request of you this holiday season: Don’t go to Starbucks right now, if you can manage it. If, for whatever reason, you do need to go to Starbucks right now, fine. This is not a game of purity tests! It’s a game of numbers. As such, consider cutting your usual order or frequency of visits in half. Get your kid the cake pop, but…
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14 Dec 2025 · 2 hr 2 min
Is There a ‘Skinny Apocalypse’ in Hollywood?
First things first: Merch is here! Get it now before it’s gone. We’re so proud of this limited edition drop of deeply diabolical merchandise. Items will ship in mid-January, and 33% of all net profits will go to Feeding America, a non-profit nationwide network of more than 200 food banks that feed more than 46 million people through food pantries, soup kitchens, shelters, and other community-based agencies. If you’re a paid subscriber, you can access two exclusive pieces of DL swag by using your special password, which can be found in our merchandise announcement , or in the episode…
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30 Nov 2025 · 7 min
Did Women Ruin the Workplace?
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Feminist hysteria has replaced logic and reason in the American public discourse, or so says one Helen Andrews. Today, we dive into the logical underpinnings for this argument and conduct a close read of the source material, which does a genuinely impressive job of evading all manner of pesky contradictory data (women’s workforce participation declining since the year 2000, women making up less than 50% of corporate America even at the entry level, etc.) in order to mount an incredible argument: Wokeness…
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27 Nov 2025 · 7 min
BONUS: Olivia Nuzzi, Trump/Mamdani, & Where Caro and Katie Disagree
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com As a reminder, this is a bonus episode, which means (say it with us now) we didn’t try that hard Thanks for everyone who showed up to our live AMA this week. We laughed, we cried, we read RFK’s “swallow” poem to Olivia Nuzzi and will never be the same. A sampling of questions asked, and answered, in this conversation:
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16 Nov 2025 · 1 hr 35 min
The Katie Episode
Earlier this month, Katie made a major announcement about her brand Money with Katie: In 2026, she will buy back her intellectual property rights and equity from Morning Brew, shutter the podcast for the indefinite future, take full ownership of the weekly newsletter, and return to her roots as a writer. This is a massive decision, to say the least, with major financial and spiritual implications — and if I, Caro, may be so bold, it feels very Diabolical Lies -coded. When Katie made the announcement public, it served as an excuse for me to corner Katie into a conversation I’ve been wanting…
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2 Nov 2025 · 2 hr 5 min
"Ethical Consumption" & the History of "Selling Out"
A “point, counterpoint”-style deep dive into the double-sided coin of “ethical consumption” and “ethical salesmanship” (or its alternative, “selling out”) under that little thing we call “capitalism,” sponsored by our treasured economic partners in the Saudi Royal Family. “ Is There REALLY No Ethical Consumption Under Capitalism? ” from Clotheshorse with Amanda Lee McCarty (2024) “ This feminist t-shirt isn’t actually made in a sweatshop ” by Zing Tsjeng from Dazed (2014) Karl Marx in America by Andrew Hartman (2025) “ Marxism Unmasked: From Delusion to Destruction ,” a lecture series from…
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19 Oct 2025 · 6 min
How to Give Birth in America, Pt. 1
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9 Oct 2025 · 3 min
BONUS: Taylor Swift's Rumspringa, Reviewed
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com As with all bonus conversations, this episode breaks from the regular format of this show and operates instead like an homage to how it started—sending impassioned voice memos back and forth. Enjoy. * snaps into character to method-act as Tyra Banks * We were all rooting for you.
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5 Oct 2025 · 2 hr 16 min
Biblical Womanhood, MAGA Girlbosses, and the Useful Myth of "Tradition"
Today’s conversation is a deep dive into the alliance between the neoliberal economic consensus and the social conservative movement in the late twentieth century—as told through the lens of a right-wing podcaster telling men they shouldn’t get married unless they’re capable of financially supporting a submissive wife and entire brood of children singlehandedly. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com/subscribe
About Diabolical Lies
Smart. Sane. Unbearable. www.diabolicalliespod.com
Diabolical Lies is a English society & culture podcast from Katie Gatti Tassin & Caro Claire Burke. Melo plays each episode straight from the publisher's own feed — no ads added, no account needed — and remembers where you stopped, in this browser only.
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