Ep. 40: Why Most Detox Protocols Don’t Work with Dr. Daniel Pompa

0:00People forget about step one, it's the most important. Today on Grounded Wellness we are joined by Doctor Daniel Pompa, a leading voice in cellular healing and detoxification. Until you get that cell working, where it's detoxing, where it's protecting the DNA, you won't get well until you fix the cell. Two decades ago, Doctor Pompa experienced a mysterious illness that left doctors stumped. His journey through heavy metal toxicity, mold exposure, and years of unexplainable symptoms forced him to dig deeper than conventional medicine ever could.

0:32Catastrophic storm when these meet and bam, and that's when the gene gets triggered. That's when autoimmune happens. That's when you say what happened to my life. What he discovered has become his life's mission, helping others uncover the hidden toxins driving autoimmune conditions, hormonal imbalances and chronic fatigue. They're taking advantage of people looking for an answer. I know people want it to be simple, but it's not that simple. Let's dig in, Doctor Pompad.

1:01Yeah. Thank you so much for being here today. How could I turn this down? And I love it. You already downed your liver smoothie before we. Oh yes, exactly, and the shoes are off and the liver smoothies down. I was so honored. Were we supposed to drink that like another? I just like it. I was honored because you said that you hate liver. I do. I like liver. I love the benefits of liver. I love the health aspects of liver. But like, to me, like the, you know, enjoyable. Yeah, exactly.

1:27Around it, I mean, yeah, this is the only way that I can eat it. That was perfect. That's why it is gone I'm. So glad you liked it. Well, diving right in. I want to hear a little bit about your story because now you share so much information online, but you didn't just study the things that you talked about, you lived it and you have so much lived experience. So tell us a little bit about your story and your healing journey. Yeah, I, I didn't choose any of it.

1:53So be clear. It shows me, I believe for such a time as this, you know, I, I got sick all the way back and started in 1999 and 2001. Two, three, I was very sick and just trying to get my own life back. Honestly, everything I learned to do that, well, that's what I taught doctors for 20 some years and still teaching today. You know, the most important part of that was is my wife who's sitting over there. Many times she was on her knees crying out to God for an answer for me, even for a family at that time, we had two young boys.

2:31We have 5 now, but this particular time as clear as I'm speaking to you now, she says God spoke to her clearly and I know that sounds crazy, but if you knew my wife, she's not over spiritual. She's not you know anything woo woo, nothing. It's like she said God spoke to me and not only is he going to get you well meaning me, but you're going to take a message to the world. And when she would say that, it never would go over too well with me then because my exact words, I can't even get myself well, it's like, like, what are you talking about?

3:04So I did not accept that then. But I can tell you this, I am here today. She was right. God was right through her. You know, that's what's happened. So my, my passion, my purpose, pain to purpose is in that promise. So the my our saying is from pain to purpose to promise. I love that and I remember listening to the first episode of your podcast just called Pain to Purpose. And I dug into that story. Yeah, I'd loved it. Everyone listening should go back and listen to that episode.

3:31It's so encouraging. And that's what stuck out the most to me. Also was just the faithfulness of your wife and how she stuck by your side and trusted in God that that you would heal and you know become the man that like that she married because you were, you know, she married you and you were one way and then you got sick and you became incredibly sensitive to a lot of different things to the point where she would have to like take the kids out of the house.

3:58A lot of times you. Remembered that? Well, yeah, you. Couldn't handle the noise? And what role did her faith play in your healing journey? Everything she was the rock, I mean, of that whole thing. She was the hero of that whole story. I mean, honestly, it's, you know, my kids now as adults, you know, I, they were young at the time, but now they look back and they realize that her role in it. Yeah, it's one of those things they probably didn't like see as much back then, but then in hindsight, it's like, whoa.

4:35Yeah, yeah, You know, recently we just watched a lot of like old videos from when they were young, you know, and and they they all looked at the videos and were like, they saw her role as like, you know, not realizing what she really was in the rock. She really is. So I, I think they had an eye opening like wow, like mom was really down in, you know, but yeah, she was, she was the strength through it all. I literally going through it. I tried to push her away.

5:04When, when you're that, when you're that sick, it's guilt, it's shame. It's all the, the traumas, you know, that we unfortunately store up and, you know, cause us to misbehave. But you know, I just I, I and even self pity, but I was trying to push her away and yeah. She didn't accept it. No way. I mean, honestly, I would say most women would have said, yeah, right, I'm out of here, you know, I'm not going to be treated this way. Or I brought so much stress to her life, you know, she stuck with me.

5:35And what were you dealing with exactly at the time while you were sick? Like what happened? What were your symptoms? You know, I mean like so many people where, you know, looking back, it starts with like odd energy loss, but that it was kind of more abrupt for me. Whereas some people it's kind of like slows down and you don't remember where it started. You know, your life is like, how did I get here? Mine was very abrupt. So I thought I was just over training.

6:00I was doing a lot of miles on my bike, you know, putting a lot of miles in and I was working a very busy practice. So I thought, I'm just over stretching, you know, over stressing myself. So I cut back and it wasn't getting better. And then it was like it went from just energy loss to like weird anxiety, weird, like weird symptoms, right? And then it went to insomnia where I couldn't even get to sleep, couldn't get back to sleep. Then it went to like sound sensitivity. Then my gut stopped working.

6:28And then I started like chasing food, like I couldn't eat this couldn't that's never happened to me before. So it's kind of an abrupt transition and I couldn't even work out anymore. I'd go to the gym, work out, and it would just wipe me out. You. Couldn't handle any more stress you. Couldn't handle exercise is stress. You couldn't handle it. I couldn't handle loud noise, the kids crying. You said she would take the kids out of the house because I couldn't handle a crying kit.

6:55It would just just, I mean, it would just send me in a rage. So I became someone who I wasn't, you know, even like I remember like her like fingernail Polish on the counter. I'd be like, Oh my God, stop. Like it would just kill me. So I became that neurologically not right, you know, And so I thought it was my adrenals chase my adrenals because surely I'm not adapting to stress. And of course, every test would indicate my adrenals were fried, but it wasn't my answer. My thyroid, I had every symptom for thyroid problems. And, you know, but my thyroid, I addressed it and I wasn't it, right?

7:34It's like still wasn't. Well, some symptoms better, but there was no lasting change. And really, you know, life was still not livable. So yeah, I mean, it was through more discovery that I found out what the real cause was. And that's what today most people aren't doing. Even I have a lot of criticism for alternative medicine because I feel like we've moved further from getting to the cause instead of closer. Alternative medicine used to be known for all about just getting to the real causes, real causes.

8:05And now I feel like it's kind of, you know, yeah, treating things more naturally, but still not cause oriented. And that's. Do you think alternative medicine is doing with supplements what conventional medicine has always done with pharmaceuticals? Yeah, I think so. And and again, I'm not against supplements, you know, and there's even a time and a place for a medication. But how did I get my life back? I got my life back from getting to the real cause.

8:29Which was mercury. Mercury was the primary part of my perfect storm. When I'm training doctors I always say look for the perfect storm. What I mean by that is 3 stressors that come together and there's typically a primary storm and then you know, two other, you know, smaller storms if you will. But if you remember the movie, it was 3 storms that came together. They called a perfect storm, catastrophic storm. When these meet and bam. And that's when the gene gets triggered.

8:57That's when autoimmune happens. You don't even know you have autoimmune. That's when the bizarre symptoms. That's when you say what happened to my life and that's when you become the person who tries everything and nothing works. Perfect storm and you know, 3 stressors come together. So yeah, mercury absolutely primary I, I had dental work done right when right. My symptoms started right after that, but that was kind of like the straw that broke the camel's back right there was like what overflowed my bucket.

9:27It was already filling and then boom, now that overflowed the bucket. When you had the fillings from when? I had them removed. So let me tell you how you even figured that out. So a year or so before that, I was working with a very bright endocrinologist from a natural perspective, right? He was very good. He said, Dad, I think you have mercury toxicity. I'm like, I thought so too. I did blah, blah, blah, test this and that. He said, well, look it, you know, because I was online and I found Mad Hatter's disease and that's these people making hats were mercury poison, lead poison, and they obviously had a lot in their blood because they were using it every day.

10:06My blood test was negative. So I'm like, it wasn't this urine test was negative, but if I was acutely getting exposed daily, it would have showed up. So it was negative. So here I am a year or so later and he's like, no, no, that would only be if you were getting poisoned daily. I think it's more chronic. Because it was already. It had accumulated in your tissue, but it wasn't showing up. Exactly. It was in the tissues, and that's heavy. Metals are very difficult to test for.

10:34Even if you challenge them out of the tissue, you're still not looking at what's in the brain. How do you find what's in the brain? Biopsy, the only way. Who's going to do that? No. No one. Yeah. That the best studies on mercury, oftentimes autopsy, biopsy studies like the draft study. The number. The draft study was a German study, but the number of silver fillings in the mother's mouth was portioned to how much mercury they found in the baby's brain on autopsies. Proportional boom.

11:00So ladies, the number of fillings, they are 50% mercury. I had them in my mouth. They were the vapor of that mercury vapor goes right into your brain and it accumulates. And that's the problem with toxins, right? Our government protective bodies will say, well, look, there's only this much aluminum in this product or this much mercury or this much lead. So it's nothing. Well, the problem is, is they, they're called persistent toxins. They accumulate, they store up over time. So there's no studies done on what's stored. Oh, and here's the problem.

11:33What stores up in you or me is different than this person because your detox pathways may be challenged because you're living in a multi home unknowing already challenging your cellular detox pathways and now you're accumulating these toxins much more, you know, much more than the other another person. So what is safe for you? It becomes the the question. But anyway, so the mercury that I was wearing contact lenses which the thimerosal which contains mercury, same mercury they put in vaccines, by the way, was in there in the 70s, eighties and early 90s. So it was like I was putting mercury directly in my eyes. It was in the saline solution.

12:10There was a time in my life where I was, you know, Mr. Workout, needing a ton of tuna. I lived at the beach at the time. I was going to ask you about tuna. I eat tuna everyday. Is mercury in tuna a legitimate concern or is it being unfairly vilified? Because I've also heard that tuna contains high amounts of selenium which kind of binds to the mercury and renders it less harmful. Is there any truth to that or is it a legitimate? I think it's a legitimate source, but mercury in tuna or fish has really caught the media's attention.

12:46And it's, you know, but I think that the sources that are much higher and more dangerous, to your point, are the other sources. Like if you're putting mercury, ethyl mercury in a vaccine, they used to call it the safe mercury. And you know why they call it the safe mercury? Because, you know, a monkey study, they were like, look, it, it's gone in just two or three days. It's just absolutely gone. And what they didn't realize is the reason it was gone, it was because it was going into the brain.

13:14It is like it is the most toxic form actually because of its ability to cross into deep tissue. And so I was a so a scientist later I was doing a study saying, oh, you know, we saved those brains of the monkey. I wonder if that mercury's in there he looked at and of course, there it was. Yeah, So. And people didn't hear that part of the story. So it's not the safe mercury. It's worse. The ethyl mercury is worse than the methyl mercury that's in tune. But methyl mercury is an organic mercury that's very, you know, it crosses into membranes as well. It crosses through the gut.

13:46So. And even with the selenium, it's still a toxic source. But that said, there are more toxic sources like the ethyl mercury that was going in my eyes, the ethyl mercury that was going, you know, in vaccines and children. And again, I, I don't even want to get this shut down, but I, I think we're in a much safer place because, you know, RFK has came out and said this has to be out of mercury and aluminum have to come out of vaccines. Trump just said he's like, why is it in there anyway?

14:13Who thinks that's good? Like, you know, we know how toxic mercury and aluminum is. Like what? Let's get it out of there. People don't understand it. It's it's in there as an adjunct as they call it, to stimulate the immune system. We give a dead virus and we have to activate your immune system against it, which is one of the reasons why anything else in that vaccine you will develop allergies to because you're activating the immune system, right? It wouldn't work without an adjunct. So if we take aluminum mercury out, then I ask the question, well, what's going in, you know, because they need they need something to activate the immune system and that's never going to be a good thing, right.

14:51So when mercury started coming out of vaccines, aluminum went in. And so yeah, anyways, that's another subject. But yeah, I think when we look at sources, you know, fit mercury from vaccine or from vaccines, from fillings, it was mercury vapor that close to the brain and far more dangerous source than fish. So when you look at the number one sources of mercury, fish is down here. So you know. But it's like the media says, focus on this one so you don't see this one. Amalgam fillings is was the highest like source, right and so and we don't even understand that even like lead for example is it's what we inherit from all that is actually the number one source.

15:37And I, yeah, I would argue Mercury is up there too. What we get from mom and utero is where we start life. And then it slows down your detox pathways. And now here you are years later, 20s, thirties, 40s, sick, unknowing. It all started in utero, which slowed down your cellular detox pathways. Challenge them Now your cells aren't able efficiently to work the way they should. And your energy starts to go down as a first sign, right. And then your glutathione pathways, that's a that's something that your cells help remove things, toxins from the cell.

16:11Then your methylation, which is what protects your DNA and is also part of detox, that starts to slow down. And now you start accumulating every toxin, the microplastics, the pesticides, the other heavy metals. And we didn't realize that it was our exposure in uterus. But yeah. So when you look at a graph, I think in my one of my PowerPoints I show like, you know how these sources amalgams vaccines and then down here is fish. But this is what gives all the attention. And you were you finally found out that it was Mercury when you did a challenge test and that showed mercury. I should I have mercury LED an odd pattern of a lot of stuff showing that my detox pathways were absolutely challenged. Can you explain what a challenge test is? Yeah.

16:56So you're taking a water soluble chelator, DMSADMPSEDTA. Those are water soluble key layers. They work, but they come in, they pull, and then you measure it on your urine. Now here's the thing. Very, very sick people oftentimes show oddly low on that test even and I say this to say there's no perfect test because you look at it like autistic children, they you don't see anything. And that's now has become like a sign of that's a problem. So and oftentimes you ask people, how did you feel during that test?

17:30And they say I felt horrible actually, and yet nothing shows. So you know that it just backed up and didn't come out and that's a that's a bad sign. There's to people are typically very hard to detox and you have to work with them to get those pathways working again even before you start to detox. So what I teach is you, there's a preparatory phase, a prep phase before you go into a body phase, before you go into what is a brain phase, because what is in the brain is years of accumulation. And that's really what makes people really sick. So most of the detox in alternative medicine right now, if you will, functional medicine is three months of detox. And it's typically using weak healers like Cruella, cilantro and it they don't work, they make things worse. But to get it out of the brain, it's years, not months. And that's what people don't get. And so I've spent a lot of my years being very, you know, critical about the detox.

18:28We think it's as simple as sitting in a sauna. I love saunas, but it's not going to get the mercury out of the brain. You have to be very specific about that. OK. I want to get more into into detox. I first want to focus on your approach to treating the cell and why cell health is so important for overall health because I've always thought this like we are going to manifest diseases in different ways based on our genetics and what we're prone to. And I don't believe that genes are our destiny, but it's like it all stems from the cell and people just show their dysfunction in different ways.

19:01And I love there's something you say that's you don't get well until the cell gets hell. Yeah, you don't get well. You don't get well until you fix the cell. You, yeah, you won't get well. You don't get well until the cell gets well. Until you fix the cell. OK, until you fix the cell, can you explain what that means? Yeah. So there's so much here, right? So when as I was explaining right in the cells where we make energy or mitochondria, OK, so there's so much there because so the reason why people can't lose weight, the reason why people don't have energy, the reason why people have brain fog arguably is that mitochondria, and we'll talk more about that.

19:39But in the cells, you're also your DNA. So to your point, your DNA is not your destiny. The old dogma was you have diabetes or a thyroid condition because your mother or father did. Yeah, we know that's not true. I. Think a lot of people still think. That, yeah, because the medical field still thinks that even though there's, I mean, scientific literature has exploded that that's been gone. That is so old it's ridiculous. But maybe 1 to 3% of diseases are purely genetic.

20:05OK, that's it. The rest are epigenetic, meaning you that gene gets triggered, turned on. So when toxins start building up in the cell, that gene gets triggered and turned on. And that's a problem when your methylation decreases because toxins are building up in the cell. That jaw, its job is to protect that DNA. Now it's unprotected. You trigger a gene turn on. Now the good news is you can turn it off. So, but the fact is, is until you get that cell working where it's detoxing, where it's protecting the DNA, where you're making normal amounts of energy, which determines how well you detox, how well your brain works, right? All of that is determined by what we do in the cell. So you get sick by yourself, but that's where the solution lies. So you won't get well until you fix the cell. So that's why when people are doing all this detox, it's like, well, look, unless you up regulate meaning get active again, what's broken the cells removing toxins. Good luck.

21:05You're not going to ever you're going to be doing this sauna, this bath, this thing that you know, but it's this, this is what broke in me. It wore down to the point of exhaustion to the point where toxins now are coming out of the cell. And now if toxins build up in the cell, you make less and less energy. You see, it's, it's this, you know, this give and take thing. And, and the more the less energy you make, the worse the detox gets. Oh, and the more inflammation happens and the more inflammation happens, the less energy you produce. It just keeps going around in a circle. But the reality is, is that if you don't fix those pathways, you don't ever get your hormones working normal. As a matter of fact, that cell will stay inflamed and inflamed cell, every hormone that makes you feel good stay thin like you are your brain to work like it should, right? Do you even know what a focus?

21:58Walk in a room and know exactly why you're there, Not why did I come here? OK, which brain focus? So many people, you know, this is what they're suffering with, OK? Those hormones have to attach to receptors that are right on that cell, like this little thing. Think of that as a hormone receptor right there. Thyroid hormone is just one example. I could be talking about progesterone, estrogen, testosterone. It has to attach to that, and then it gets its messenger itself in that cell, and you feel normal. Everything works great.

22:26You make normal energy, right? Thyroid hormone works within your mitochondria in that cell, and you burn fat for energy when you're not eating. Everything's great, everything works good. But what if something's blocking this receptor, damaging it maybe, And now thyroid hormone, even though it's normal in your blood, even though maybe you take it and make it normal in your blood, if that receptor is damaged and that can't get in that it can't dock to that receptor, utilize it, utilize it.

22:56So that's why it's very in vogue right now, especially in alternative medicine to take bioidentical hormones. And there's a time and a place, especially if you don't have a gland to make them. But fact is, is that most often we're making blood levels normal. Matter of fact, when I was looking for an answer, I got all my blood work because I knew my thyroid wasn't working. But my blood work was still normal. Now, maybe in 10 years, five years, it would have been not normal, but it was still normal. But what they didn't tell me was my thyroid hormone, my cells were so toxic and inflamed that it couldn't get to that receptor.

23:30It's called hormone resistance. We understand insulin resistance meaning. Which is also a hormone. Exactly. Yeah. So it makes sense. I've heard you talk about this like I've. But I've never heard anyone say this before, like describing the concept of hormone resistance. But but yeah, I mean, if we can have insulin resistance, we can also have resistance to any hormone if the cell is. Blamed. Yeah, absolutely. So what are like, what is your detox protocol?

23:55You said it can take years. Is that typically the case for most people that they need to do like spend years detoxing? Look, you know, it depends on the toxin, right? That they're major toxin. But once these pathways in the cell start to diminish, now you start accumulating all kinds of toxins, truthfully. But some people can do the right my, what I'm known for is my cellular detox, OK, And I'll explain this process that I've developed and taught for 20 years. But most some people can do the right detox three to six months and start to feel better where they start to like come on board.

24:32Right, just depends on the bucket. It's yeah, exactly. It depends on the bucket. Meaning this bucket, if we have two buckets, right? This one's because she hasn't drank her shake yet. This one's very full. This one's empty because someone gluttonly just sucks. Chugged it down. I'm ready to drink her. Oh, yeah, I'm ready to drink her. OK, now, I'm not going to do this because it's too precious, but if this was water, I'd do if I just put a little stress on this person because this bucket's really full. Think of this as all of the physical, chemical and emotional stressors and traumas that we accumulated from the womb, as I made pointed out earlier.

25:06And this person, even if there was just a little bit of water in here, I could stress this. Look at this. No, you know, nothing comes out. This one little bit of stress. This is where people are living their lives right here. This is where I was. And if you Remember Me saying when I got those amalgams drilled out, the mercury, my bucket was already so full it went right over, you know, so you know, that's when the gene gets triggered. That's when when your bucket gets to this point, now your cells are just exhausted. No wonder your energy outputs gone. No wonder you start triggering genes. No wonder all these bad symptoms. No wonder all the inflammation increases and blocks your hormones.

25:43Nothing works. Even diet doesn't work. People are telling you to exercise more, you can't. You don't have energy, you know, and all the hormones you're taking, it kind of works and then it doesn't just supplements. They someone's won't even get into the inflamed cell half of them. So blood levels not a good indicator of how you feel, even if you make your blood look better. And I think that's why so many people are frustrated today who aren't feeling well and they go to their dark, they go to their doctor and the doctor says, sorry, everything's normal.

26:12Like you must be imagining it. Absolutely. Did you face that same frustration in your? Absolutely. I mean, I they looked at me. I remember I spent $5000 on blood work, right? Hoping for an answer. And the doctor came out and that's when I ran all that mercury test too, right? And he was like, you're healthier than me, son. And I'm like, you know, that's not what I wanted to hear. If you told me, you know, we think you have cancer, I'd be like, OK, fine, let's go. You know, it's like at least finally if there's. Something to fight.

26:40Something to fight. Yeah, That didn't happen that day. So, you know, my hormones look normal, You know, just some things a little out of range, but nothing that explained my illness. Right. And, and today we're spending a lot of money on, you know, different gut tests, snip tests, these genetic tests, and they're fun. They're in, you know, but it's really not looking to why you're sick, you know, and your genes don't determine your destiny, nor do your snips. I have the MTHFRG and that's why I'm talking. It's way more complicated than that. It's not so simple.

27:13And again, that the reason you're sick is something has accumulated in your body. It's about removing, not just giving. So you know, and then I said I would explain the process. So step one, what I teach is up regulating all these functions. And we do that before we even start detoxing because that is critical. And in that prep phase, we get the cell starting to work the way it should. And then we strengthen all the downstream detox pathways. We support the liver, the kidney, the gut, the lymph. All that needs opened up before you ever think about detox. And that could take one month, it could take 3-4 depending on the person, just, you know, by a lot of some of their functions starting to come back and then say, OK, let's step into detox. So.

27:58So you don't even start detox? Step 1 is just to get the downstream open up in this cell working. So what does that? So my 5 Rs is the road map. I used it to teach doctors as a road map of how you fix the cell and how you start to detox the cell and it very quickly. Our number one is remove the source. Like meaning if you have silver fillings, tained mercury, let's let's get there. If you're living in a multi home, let's deal with that. If you have a cavitation infection and John, let's deal with that.

28:27You get it. OK, so different sources. We want to look at someone's life, remove them. OK, Does it makes sense? Our number 2 is regenerate the cell membrane. So again, this membrane on this apple, that's our cell for this talk. I'm molesting your bowl of apples here. I will eat this after. But you know, this membrane is where your hormone receptors are. The membrane determines what comes in the cell and what's able to come out the membrane. I do classes on just the cell membrane. I call it lipid therapy.

28:55How we fix the cell membrane and diet plays a role here. I've developed a lot of products here. What you avoid seed oils that people are hearing about, right? The the damaging effects of seed oils, the reason they're so dangerous. Omega 6 is so important in the cell membrane that rancid bad Omega 6 is goes right in and it incorporates into this membrane and it's there not for days, not for months. Now newer studies show you up to two years half life of these things.

29:24In the cell your cell men membranes from oxidated. Oxidated rancid fats, so it affects the function. So now you have toxins driving inflammation, blocking your hormone receptors, but now you have these bad fats too. I mean, American, we don't have a chance. I mean, think about it, you know, no wonder you go to Italy in these, but you don't see fat people like why they eat 20% more carbs than we do. It's like, well, less inflammation. The reason you can't use fat as energy has less to do with your diet than people might think.

29:56It's like it has a lot to do with how inflamed your cells are. So we look at just those two things and we really have to clean those up. But the membrane, there's a saying, I didn't come up with it, but life and death begins on the membrane, your cellular out, your hormone health, how your brain works right here. You know again when this is inflamed, diet doesn't work. That's what everything attaches to. Absolutely. Your diet, diet change seems like it doesn't work for you. You don't have energy, you still don't lose weight. You know, it's all these things happen because the membrane determines your health.

30:27That's it. Our number 3 is restoring the cell energy. If you don't restore the energy and the ability of the mitochondria to make energy, then you won't up regulate all of these detox pathways. So then the cell's ability to get rid of toxins decreases and toxins build up, inflammation gets even more and R4 is reducing cellular inflammation. I teach a lot of strategies around that, but you have to diminish that inflammation and then R5 is re establishing methylation.

30:59I've already pointed out methylation is how we protect our genes, how we turn genes on and off. Methylation when it drops, glutathione drops of the cell's ability to detox and drops. If people watching this, the announcement of Tylenol causes autism. I had to do a video on it. I even did a little piece on my podcast about it because people, a medical doctor friend of mine came to me and said, Dan, what, like Tylenol causes autism? I said hold on. It's part of the 'cause it doesn't cause autism, meaning you can get autism without a mother taking Tylenol, although it increases the risk.

31:35Why? Because it affects certain detox pathways. It affects methylation, which is part of detox directly. It can inhibit receptors specifically, even in the brain for folate, folate, folic acid is part of the methylation process to be successful. So if you're inhibiting that, now you're inhibiting methylation, especially in the brain. So inflammation occurs in the brain, which is where autism starts, and the gut. So that blocking that folate receptor and also effects a pathway called the P450, which is a detox pathway. Oh, and it also affects the liver. So it shuts down detox pathway.

32:15So Trump tipped his hand in that. Well, it's not just Tylenol. People were wondering like, why was he talking about vaccines when it was acetaminophen and Tylenol causes autism. Well, because see the toxins in vaccines, when you take Tylenol, it reduces the ability to get rid of these toxins and they drive their neurotoxins, mercury, aluminum, and there's others, right? And so that's why that he was making recommendations about vaccines because he wanted to say it's this combination, right? It's not just one.

32:44So anyways, people didn't hear that necessarily. But anyway, so those are my 5R S of how we start to get the cell working. And then Step 2 is we use real chelators, OK, not like cilantro, cruella and all these little things that people think or that it doesn't work that way. You have to use things that grab on and don't let go. But we use them outside of the cell. When we start moving these toxins out, these chelators grab on and make sure it goes all the way out of the body. But functional medicine but uses chelators incorrectly. They don't use those in their half life, meaning they don't keep the levels up in your blood long enough in between taking them.

33:24So you get redistribution. Yeah, exactly. And chelators. Have an effective chelator. So there's many like EDTA is an effective chelator, DMSADMPS, there's other ones now Dota, there's a lot of different key layers. But someone probably shouldn't just start taking those. No way. No way. Because again, they don't. People think you detox with those. No, it's still about that cell. Step one is fixing the cell. Step 2 is using chelators just so all chelators do is move it out of the body. They're water soluble anyway.

33:55They don't get into your brain and fat tissue right there. There's we have to get the cells doing that and then we push them into these catchers, Mets if you will, and pulls it out of the body. People forget about step one. It's the most important. Step 2 is utilizing chelators. Step three, we use binders in the gut because a lot, lot of the toxins get brought to the liver. Bind A bile, which is a fatty substance used to digest fat, but it gets dumped in the gut eventually to be used for digestion, but it brings toxins with it.

34:26And then guess what, your body is designed to reabsorb the bile back to the liver. It brings the toxins right back. It's called auto intoxication. So we have to stop that process. So Step 3 is using binders correctly in the gut to make sure we don't auto intoxicate. I'm thinking about myself as you're saying this stuff because like, I have a sauna that I use almost every day. And that's fine. I'm home. Yeah. Sometimes I take I try to take some charcoal when I go in it.

34:52I don't know if that does. Anything. So charcoal isn't doing anything for stomach toxins, right? It's a gut binder. But here's the problem, right? So charcoals, most of them are dirty or they're not active enough to really matter. In products I've created. We get this one carbon. It's from Holland actually, but it's a very activated carbon. If you took some of it and went like this, you would see it go like this. That's how activated it is. And it's clean because a lot of the binders, bentonite clays, other carbon binders, you know, there's so zeolites, there's many of them, but they're very dirty because that fulvic acid, humic acids, they come from the ground and you have to make sure they're clean.

35:36So a lot of people are taking binders. We take them in our lab and test them almost 100% of time they're dirty, maybe doesn't have heavy metals contaminants. So you have to be very careful with those binders. But people take them and they think that is detox, right? Sitting your sauna is great. It stimulates heat shock, proteins. There's benefits right to it, but it in itself isn't going to get mercury and aluminum out of your brain as an example. Yeah.

36:02And is sauna something or you know any, any detox practice like is, are they something that someone should just go out and start doing doing or would you recommend working with someone or does it kind of how you feel? Yeah, well. Like I feel really good, but I know some people it makes them feel worse. Yeah, I, when I was sick, it made me feel worse, right? So you have to understand, cold baths, saunas, they work on a premise called hormesis, meaning they stress you. And if you adapt, you feel better, right? If you don't, the next day especially, you feel worse. And you never associate it with the cold bath of the hot sauna you did, right?

36:39I was so sick. I would feel worse within two or three hours. I mean, I would just be like wiped out dizzy symptoms, right? But I was super, super toxic. But always evaluate how you feel the next day. Or even a nice thing about having like an aura ring or a way to look at your sleep is how did, how did your sleep go that night after you did the cold bath, after you did the sauna? People were overdoing these things, but I love saunas as part of a detox pathway. People that are toxic, I always say do them on and on cycle. That's the other problem is that people detox is cycled. Your detox cycle as a woman is cycle. Everything in nature cycles, season cycle. The way the earth cleans itself cycles. So detox is the same way.

37:28So we always start with a three day on, four day off cycle, threes on and four off. And then that determined if that changes, it's determined by the person. Detox done correctly is very individualized and that's what my program does. It works with people individually. So you might do better with more days on than someone else. Some people do better with a short cycle, but we'd have to do at least three days. That way when we stop the key laters, you don't get this redistribution. So we minimize that by staying on at least three days. But I used to have to stay on five day cycles because if I would just do three days, day 2 off, I would get worse. So staying on a little longer and then the doses is determined by the individual.

38:11What chelators we use is determined by the individual and that's different for everybody. So everyone wants like the detox box. It's not so simple. We have we have a rooster. I know. Yeah, that's great. Is that the the geese over there? He's hiding. I don't even see him, man. Hey. What are some of your biggest detox pet peeves that you see online? You know, I, I do hate when people talk about like, you know, Cruella and these like weak binders as like the solution because people get to see by and I have no problem with Cruella.

38:43I think a clean Cruella can be very healthy, but I don't like when people think it's that simple, right? When people make this detox product like this is going to detox you. I hate it because someone that was sick myself, I've, you know, I too fell prey to that stuff. So it really bothers me because they're taking advantage of people looking for an answer. And it's not that simple. It's not, I know people want it to be simple, but it's not that simple. You accumulated these toxins from the womb to the tomb. And, you know, 30 years of accumulating it. And to think that this little bottle of whatever it is is going to cleanse you is absolutely irritating to me. And you know, and I am always at places when someone says I did a cleanse, I did a detox.

39:30And then I'm forced to listen to like what they did. And really what they did is just kind of started up. But you feel good about yourself because you feel like you did a detox. There's a placebo effect. Yeah, exactly. And it's really not dealing with the deep rooted persistent toxins that are in their tissue. My goal now that I went from training doctors to bringing a message directly to people looking for an answer. That's my Papa program is to teach them the process because it is very individualized. Your program will be different than your husband's is an example just because your body's going to like certain chelators, your body's going to need different support. You're going to you're going to do better. Maybe with higher doses, maybe this you know him lower doses is very different.

40:12But to teach someone the process so they can do it long enough to matter. And I believe today with what's happening with our level of exposure to toxins. Personal care products like that you're bringing an answer to. Obviously the food and water we're taking it, the homes we're living in, what they've done in dentistry over the last, you know, 50 years has just been tragic in people's health. And these are the sources that people are ignoring, not understanding. But to get that out of your tissues, you better learn the process so you don't need me anymore. Yeah.

40:49And you mentioned that the first step is removal. And that's something that I think everybody can do without, even like working with someone. Like we can be aware of these things on our own. And you do such a good job of educating about all the potentials. That's what my Instagram's about. Exactly. Exactly What are some of the biggest sources of toxins in our environment that people aren't paying enough attention to? You know, I hate to say it, but the most basic violation that I see even in our space as I sit down with the gurus that most people would like think of as a guru, I go to dinner and I I watch the waiter waitress come over and pour tap water and I watch them drink it.

41:29And I go, oh, wow. Like I would never drink that. And it's like. I remember when my husband, so I was talking to you earlier about our farm Primal pastures, my husband and brother-in-law branched off and started Pasture Bird, which is purely pasture raised chicken at a large scale. Anyways, Purdue acquired that company. And so once that happened, I was like, OK, Jeff, like we got to start. We got to just buy water. If that's an investment we can make now, Like when we go out to restaurants, we're always going to get bottle.

42:00And we probably should have done that way before, but it's like, I don't know, it's something that just feels like this extra expense, but it's so important and so worth it. I'm not going to drink tap water. I because I know too much, right? But then I look at these people and I guess they run on the philosophy that, hey, I don't do it all the time, but if I know that there's someone's, you know, hormones in that water, which there is. And explain how that happens, because I don't think most people understand how hormones could be in their tap. Water.

42:31Yeah, in their tap water. Yeah. So obviously all these people, most of the hormones actually ironically go through their urine into the water. And that's normal. I mean, the body's not going to assimilate and utilize it all. So it ends up in the water that way. Now you would say yes, but we have filtration. City water is getting, you know, filtered at the where they're putting chlorine in, right. Yeah, they're, they're cleaning the water. Hormones, there's no filtration that they're doing that touch the hormones, it's too small. Yeah, that's the thing.

43:04The pharmaceuticals are all there. The hormones, the pharmaceuticals, that's how it ends up in the water. So, yeah, there's chlorine that they're adding, which is toxic, right? And they're doing it because there's other pathogens that they have to kill because that's could be an issue. Then there's some fluoride, right. We're now finally hearing a lot about RFK is saying this is, you know, this is a problem. It has been a problem. Everybody look, if you look at what was accepted by the government, our protective bodies years ago, it has gone down, you know, every five years, 10 years at least, it's gone down, down. What's accepted, What's why?

43:41Because they're doing studies, going, whoops, OK, let's listen, let's listen. And of course, and that's why last August. To be our own advocates, we know we've seen this pattern history and it's still happening with so many things, so we can't just blindly trust what we're being told to. Know because exactly would they, we told that that amounts fine for you, right? It's like, and it's healthy and it's good for your kids. And oh, and then they go to the dentist and they get even more and then they brush their teeth with a toothpaste that has fluoride because that's so good. So fluoride is an absolute neurotoxin. Fluoride, you know, absolutely has effect on your child's IQ. Fluoride absolutely has an effect on, you know, the brain just in general, right?

44:22And has been shown to cause bone cancer in boys. And so of course, the levels have gone down and down. And last August, that study was like the nail in the coffin to where people were like, OK. What was that study? It was basically a study showing how it affected the brains, especially in children. It was a very, very clear study and I think probably the the best study that was done on the topic. And it got a lot of tension and and people acted like it was new.

44:52By the way, same thing with the Tylenol. I was like, this isn't new. I I remember a study from 2017 that 1 from 2014 of, you know, Tylenol is a positive causative factor in, in, you know, autism spectrum disorders. Yeah, exactly. So it's like, it's not something new, right? People are coming out like it's Trump's fault. Yeah. It's it's crazy. Yeah. Would you go off on fabric softeners because this is one of my biggest pet. Me too, yeah. So, OK, we talked about water. You said that.

45:22That's a big one, right? So change your water, get a darn RO system, right? Don't drink city water, period, OK, and don't drink it out of plastic bottles, right, Because we've learned how damaging the microplastics are, right? 240,000 micro plastics in one liter of water. I mean, that's too much. And we, you know, we accumulate about a credit card and we take in a credit card size of plastic a week in, in autopsy studies, a week on autopsy studies, they're showing the weight. That's what we take in.

45:54Not, not what's stored is depending on your detox pathways, but we're talking about a teaspoon, the weight of teaspoon in the brains on autopsy studies accumulation. Oh, and then we're finding it in our part. Our testes are, you know, ovaries and all of you know, those parts. It's like, my gosh, how do we all have shouldn't be there. OK, so. Cement to the human body. It's a testament to the human. Body incredibly, we are made to be able to withstand so much.

46:20Isn't it true? I said all the time, right until your perfect storm happens. But fabric softener? Oh, it's a pet peeve of mine. I I did a video. My wife and I were walking the dogs and I'm like, Oh my gosh, these poor people are sick. How do you know I can smell it? It's kind of the fabric software pours out and you can smell what homes are using fabric software. And then the next house, Oh my gosh, these poor people are probably overweight and can't figure out why. You know, she's like, OK, you should just do a video on that because, you know, obviously you can determine who's healthy by the ones that are so.

46:56Offensive. So offensive. I mean, yes, I've experienced the same thing walking by certain houses and you just have to imagine if I'm this like insulted physically, mentally, like walking past this, like these people are living in it and smelling it on their clothes. Oh, yeah. And then when they approach, you smell them. Yeah. You're just like, oh, and here's the thing. When I was sick, I was chemically sensitive. Fabric softener would set me off. I mean, I would get brain fog where I it would ruin my whole day.

47:23So I learned, you know, I despised those who wore and it was unfair to them, but, you know, 'cause they didn't know any better. But it is one of the worst things. There's on average 6 neurotoxins in these things. Oh, and here's the thing, it goes, it's on your skin for how many hours? Oh, and then there's spreadsheets are washed in it. So technically you're being exposed all day long 24/7. But here's why it's absorbed, right? These neurotoxins go right in their hormone disruptors right through your skin. Like you put hormones on transdermally, meaning if you want them in your bloodstream fast, you put them on your skin. That's what your clothes are doing. Those fragrances, they're not.

48:03They don't even have to tell you what's in the fragrance because it's intellectual property laws that protect those companies. There's things that have been banned, cancer causers, hormone disruptors for years. And yet it's in the fragrances that are in what you're washing your clothes with. And by the way, change the detergent that you're washing your clothes with and don't use fabric softener. And it it is. That is my biggest test peeve. I hate fragrances and I hate them.

48:28I think the clothes is the worst because you're absorbing it all day. Such easy things that people can do. It's an easy switch. Yeah, it's an easy switch. Today it it it almost doesn't even cost more. So you can't. There's no excuse. I get some families cannot afford organic, although today I think you should afford organic, but at least eat from The Dirty off of the, you know, stay away from The Dirty dozen. Eat from the clean 15 if you can't afford it organic, but change what you're washing your clothes at. Yeah.

48:55And I think like some people would say, oh, it's too stressful to think about toxic exposures. Like I had a conversation with someone. No, no. Stress is being sick. Stress is being sick. Stress is going. Why don't I feel well? Why can't I think anymore? You know, it's like that stress, Yeah. And it's these little things we can do that make a big difference and give us so much life back. You know, I you said it to start this conversation. Look, you may not be able to, you know, do pompous program yourself. You know, you need a coach for that, right? But you can do this now.

49:29You can stop the all the rancid seed oils right now when you go to your grocery store, all you have to do is read the label and say, OK, no sunflower seeds oil, no vegetable, no canola oil, no soy oil, corn oil. I mean, come on, you can do that. Everyone can do that and buy products that don't have that. Everybody can change the fabric software. Everybody can drink RO water. Pretty simple. Take on What's your take on Botox and fillers? Yeah, I get in trouble, but I don't care because I'm not a fan.

49:59My wife and I, I'm 60, you know, she's 58. We've never had it and not going to do it. I don't care if I look older. I don't care because I know too much. You know, those fillers stay in there and people think they're going no, no, no. Newer studies are showing how it blocks lymphatic flow. Newer studies are showing that it's not here anymore, but now it's here and they're seeing it on MRI's. It moves. I interviewed a plastic surgeon and he said that they find it in Mr. Is over 10 years after it was injected when most people would say oh it only lasts a few months but we are finding. And your immune system hates it.

50:37So I don't care what they. And by the way, I I don't like it. I don't like the look. I think a woman aging normally with wrinkles is actually attractive. And, you know, I'm not alone on this. Trust me. I don't like this new look. OK, if we want to call it that and add Ozempic to it. And, you know, I don't rob Doctor Rob Woodfield. He's a very famous plastic surgeon. I love him. He he was talking about Ozempic face. Now I talked about Ozempic butt. You lose the butt goes.

51:05I don't want to hear about micro dosing 'cause you still get Ozempic butt. Ozempic face just takes longer, but the fact is is that you lose the musculature in the face that gives you gorgeous pretty look that you have right and it gets less and less and less and then they're adding fillers to it. Now we have this zombie look. I mean, this is the look the lips are coming out of the cheeks are coming up and then, you know, this is normal. Now I can't even do it.

51:31So I mean I'm. Listening and not watching needs to go back and watch what Doctor Pompa just did to his face. This is hard to know. Put the lips out. I'm telling you, you know, it is not a good look, and it's getting worse. I mean, when you first start, it's like, oh, OK, you know, that looks decent, but it becomes this addiction. Well, yeah, you know. Perception drift, where every time you look in the mirror that becomes your new normal and then you make additional changes and you get used to it and just keep making these changes.

51:58But then if you look back from, you know, five years ago where you started you completely. Different and again I look I'm not criticizing those who do it because they're caught in this new paradigm social media is causing it comparing themselves to others. So I, the heart is it, I get it, it's identity things. I mean, there's so much to it, right? Just like, and we could talk about breasts next and I'll really get in trouble and I'm going to have all kinds of haters.

52:26But the fact is, is that, you know, we're heading, we're causing problems, you know, breast implant illness. BII is now a huge thing. And unfortunately it's only increasing as obviously the number of breast implants increase. But now it's the years they're in, right? Just like amalgam fillings. No one gets amalgam fillings in and get sick right away. It's years of accumulating this right And that's. What? And the information then comes out ten years later and I think. There we go.

52:55Yeah. Mindset of like, OK, what is happening now that everyone thinks is normal? That 10 years from now it's going to be common knowledge that it actually causes a lot of harm. Listen, everyone was using HCG. Is it? It was the Ozempic of the 80s and 90s right? Human chorionic growth factors where they get it from pregnant women, urine. Bodybuilders used it to after a cycle of testosterone. They would use it to basically boost up, keep their hormones. They didn't get this post cycle drop right and people realized that you could take it and go on low calorie diets, which low calorie diets work in the beginning. You lose 1015 lbs and they stop work because you lose muscle. Sound familiar?

53:38Lose muscle and then the metabolism slows down. That's what happens with Ozempic. And then you stop losing weight. But if you take HCG and everybody when they took it because it was a hormone felt better, everyone was like I feel so good. Ozempic and all these things are positive and I'm losing weight. I look better. Disaster it it just everyone's hormones went to crap. People lose their hair. Horrible. It ended in as I predicted it, Everyone hated me. I wasn't doing social media then, but I was telling everyone that this is a mistake.

54:09No one liked it, but here we are. Never going to outsmart God, never going to outsmart nature. What else do you think people are doing now that is super harmful? But like, people are just doing it anyway. Well, you know. I think that too many of these bioidentical hormones were running into the problem. And again, I there there's a time and a place I would argue right and bioidentical safer than other, you know, just synthetics. But and I think the issue really is, is that it's it's just more and more and more because their cells can't hear the hormones.

54:42It takes more and more and I think that we're causing more problems now than good. You know, women are now taking testosterone women now because to see the problem isn't the low hormones everyone thinks. When you look at healthy cultures, ancient cultures, people that live very simply, primitively as a woman ages and goes through menopause or hormone levels lower, it's normal. Matter of fact, it protects them from cancer. It's that normal. So when you look at their blood levels of hormones, you would say that in this country they'd say that's pathological and no, it's normal.

55:17The difference is they're healthy. Their cells here, they become more sensitive to the lower hormones. So their estrogen levels are lower, their progesterone levels are lower, their testosterone levels are lower, but they can hear the hormone better and they're healthy, right? But here do we think the answer is, oh, hormones are lowering. Boom, let's give more hormones. I I think. Chase those same levels that people have when? Chase, chase and young level.

55:41It's not meant to be that way. It's not meant to be. You know, I, I've made an argument that yes, because of plastics and these things that I agree that some hormone levels are far too low. I, I agree that you could absolutely have too low of hormones for different reasons, and that's a problem. But that's not what we're seeing. We're going beyond it. Here's what you have to understand too. When in a intelligence in your body, hormones, people that are really good with hormones, they'll say, well, you have to be careful when you test your thyroid hormone.

56:14It's going to be different in the morning than this in the afternoon. Well, same with every hormone. Meaning as even stress happens to the day, hormones change throughout the day. It's normal. Hormones change throughout your cycles of the month, Hormones alter. Any intelligence does that. Meaning when you are under a lot of stress, all of a sudden cortisol goes up. All these processes change or estrogen levels change because it's figuring it out.

56:40When you decide to take hormones, you're saying this is it. You're taking an intelligence out of the picture. You're taking the adaptation that your stress adaptation, all these adaptations to that happen daily, happen weekly, happen monthly. You're taking that off the table. That makes so much. Sense and that's not good. Now again, I will be the first to say there is a time that you have to do it because you're not producing, you don't have a gland etcetera. But my point is, is that we're just reaching for the hormone instead of the cause of why you hormonally aren't well. And as you're saying that, I'm thinking about personal care products and beauty products that women use that have these chemicals that disrupt their hormones and probably also interfere with those natural signals and fluctuations that are supposed to happen throughout the day. Yeah, that they're those.

57:27If you look at a woman's start to her day, what is it? 418 chemicals, according to HWG, Right. OK, So they're exposed to that on average, right? Double a man typically. But out of that 289 I think 'cause or known cancer causers more than that are hormone disruptors. Putting it on your skin every day and you wonder why, you know, you have hormone challenges. So you think the answer is just taking hormones instead of saying wait a minute, let me our number one remove the sources. I think people think, oh, it's just this one thing, it's just this deodorant.

58:06It's just, I know, perfume. It's like it's all of that combined and how they interact with each other. We talked about the water, we talked about what you're washing your clothes in, you know, fabric softeners. What about what are you're washing your dishes with? Because it's going right into you. What about the food? What about the makeup? What about the shampoo? What about the lotion? What about, you know, I mean it, it just keeps going. So the point is, is we're inundated the chemical revolution after the, you know, World War 2 has caused the a new problem in humanity and these toxins are storing up like no time ever in the history of humanity.

58:43My kids generation is the first generation not out to live their outlive their parents. When you look at chronic disease, it's almost 70% increase in the last 50 years of chronic disease, especially in children. What the heck has happened? Toxicity is what's happened. And I think some people just want to ignore it and assume that every product that they're using and being sold is safe. And you can do that, but you're really missing out on opportunities to live a longer, healthier life.

59:15So rather than just saying it's too stressful, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. Like, yeah, sure. But you're just making a choice to intentionally be naive to the reality of the toxic world that we live in. Absolutely, there's no doubt. That's what I love so much about the information that you're sharing. You and your wife travel a lot. What are some non-toxic travel hacks that you have? I think on another podcast I heard you say you guys bring your own toilet paper.

59:40We do. We brought it on this trip. What do you use? Well, we've tried different brands. You know The Who is I love is. Lauren. Yeah, Lauren. Yes. Oh yeah. What is? What's the name of it though? You know? Brand is the skinny confident. Yeah, you can find it skinny confidential, but I don't get anything for promoting it. But I love it. It's good. It it's, you know, it's firm. My husband, yeah. His complaint is that it's like too thin the brand. 'S yeah, hers is great yeah, that's a good one. But yeah, the the reason why is because even the chlorine process of making it nice and look beautifully white increases dachshund and their cancer causes. But the point is, is it's going in tissues. That's like if you did this with toilet paper, it's not nearly like those tissues.

1:00:28And so that's and there's major hormone disruptors in it, formaldehyde. I mean, so you're putting in those tissues not not a good idea. So I you know, there's just certain big things and that's one of them in my opinion. And I looked at the studies on I'm like, yeah, I'm not not doing. That I know when I first learned about it, it wasn't that long ago. It was like a year ago. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, what? We've done this before. I know this is the big one. Yeah.

1:00:51Do you guys do on the road to stay healthy? You know one thing you when you fly a lot, we always take iodine and we fast when we're on flights. Ketones when you're fastest say protect you from radiation and and then iodine is something that also protects you from radiation, so. I take it. Before the flight. OK, I've been baking soda after flying too. Can help with. That. Oh, well, I didn't even know that. Yeah, that taught me something. I don't know why. I don't know, I've heard something about how it like helps to detox from radiation exposure. Yeah.

1:01:23And and it's not so much detoxing from it as it's protecting it from, you know, and glutathione products is helpful to my, I've developed product called Cell Clear. It raises intracellular glutathione that's also protective. I recently saw a reel that you did on alcohol and your breakdown surprised me a little bit because you didn't condemn it entirely. Can you give us your take on alcohol? Hormesis. It's that premise that I said people are violating. The reason cold baths work is they are such a great stress, far greater than alcohol actually, meaning the body thinks it's going to die.

1:01:58So it up regulates norepinephrine, which can up regulate growth hormone and have all these positive effects if you adapt. If you don't adapt, meaning you did too cold, too long, and then you didn't adapt, you just did the opposite of what you were attending to do. You lowered your immune system and you increased inflammation. I love this take real quick. I just want to interrupt because so many people are very quick to say either no one should be cold plunging, it's bad, or like everyone should do this everyday. And what I'm hearing you say like on and on is that you have to know your body and know intuitively, like if something is working for you or working against you, like are you strong enough to handle this stressor or are you not? And I think just learning that about yourself and may not, maybe it's not a forever thing.

1:02:43Maybe it's just like right now, this season in life, this feels too stressful, whatever this thing is. And so I just, I love that. And I see people violate hormesis. You know, the, the best way to understand it is exercise, that when you exercise, it's a stress. If you adapt, you get stronger, faster, etcetera. If you don't adapt, many people overtrain and they're actually the opposite happens. It's a negative, it creates inflammation. You're not sleeping as good, you keep getting injured.

1:03:11That's a sign that you're overtraining that you know, good trainers, they know that very little happens in the gym. It's the adaptation, the recovery that matters the most. That's why they're making sure you're sleeping good, your nutrition's good, all these things that raises the hormatic ceiling. It's called meaning your ability to adapt. Then the trainer can stress you more and get a better outcome. So a trainer, if you don't do, if you do the same exercise all the time, it becomes not stressful anymore. The body, then you're not adapting, you're not getting stronger.

1:03:41And studies show you actually become weaker. So it's like it's crazy, but it becomes this odd negative. But the fact is, is that you have to increase the stress. That's why exercise variation creates the body going, oh, this is different. OK, Yeah. And then it has to adapt. And if you adapt, you get better, right? So trainers are constantly adapting the stress or changing the stress to change your ability to adapt. And they're constantly focused on your heart rate, your heart rate variability, how you sleeping as signs. How do you feel?

1:04:14You more tired. You seem more tired this week. Let's back off. Let's go less intense. As a cyclist, we monitored all those things constantly and we would never do the same routines. We would do really intense times, see how our body adapted to that. If it didn't adapt that well, we wouldn't go as intense and we'd come off of that intensity and go less intense. I say all that just to show you the complexity of this. So we're not bringing that into cold baths, saunas, detox, fasting.

1:04:42Fasting is another violation. I've taught. Yeah. I mean, I've taught fasting for, you know, years. And I couldn't get anyone to pay attention because people still thought you'd just die without food. But now I'm going around saying the feast is as important. As the fast. Thank you. I love fasting and I've done it on and off over the last several years like in between pregnancies and breastfeeding and whatnot and I have gotten such good results from it and have felt so good and clear headed when I do fast. But then also there's people who say that women should never fast, it's bad for their hormones. But I've I'm with you, I think that like how you refeed matters so much like how you're eating going into it. And I've always like really been careful about that, like prioritizing really nutrient dense most of the time, like animal based foods to nourish myself after a fast and have gotten really good results.

1:05:35But I know it can be done to excess and people can be. I think to close this loop, you know, you had said earlier, right, Like it's said that women there's a new study now, you know, cold baths for women. And I've been saying this for years. But again, it's not that women shouldn't do cold baths. Women should be more cautious with how cold it is in the time, you know, they're they're male time of the month. Their male counterparts typically can do more and even more cold, but that doesn't mean that they can't benefit from a cold bath.

1:06:06But you absolutely less is best. Absolutely monitor how you feel. How do you slept later that day, that night? And how do you feel the next day, which people don't associate often times. So women typically should do less and same with fasting women. You know, people say women shouldn't fast. No, women should just fast differently than a man. And absolutely most likely have more feast days. So intermittent fasting daily where people eat one or two meals in a window, people are doing too much of it.

1:06:37What happens is the body will eventually start to think it's starving like a low calorie diet, and then it starts holding on to your fat and losing muscle. Not good. Becomes counterproductive. Absolutely. So women, people with thyroid issues, adrenal issues, they need more feast days, 1-2, even three days a week where they feast, they get up and eat 3 meals that day. Maybe it's high protein for three days of the week, like really high, you know, a gram per pound of body weight. Maybe it's high carbs if they're low carbs for three days a week. Feast famine is the key.

1:07:12So women and like I said, hormone challenge, people need to do more feast if they're going to fast and when if you do, I'm a teacher of five day fasting, whether it's a water fast or a partial fast. And we can talk about what that is, but I find another time during the month where we five day feast, high protein, high carbs, whatever it is, but feasting is as important. By the way, there are two different pathways. So the benefits of fasting is a pathway called autophagy. That means your body gets rid of bad cells, right? Senescent cells, cells that live too long, cells that Dr. inflammation age prematurely.

1:07:49Yeah. So during a fast, your body gets rid of them, and it stimulates a stem cell to replace it. So we rebuild. We tear down and rebuild. It's great. But that's a catabolic pathway. That means your body goes into getting rid of things, right? So therefore, it wants to rebuild. That's why moving into a feast, not right after the fast. You know that giving too much easing into it, but then the feast is a pathway called M Tor. Now ager people that are like anti agers like they they want to do everything to slow down.

1:08:22They melonize M Tor M Tor age you prematurely. M Tor is bad. M Tor is bad. Bodybuilders love M Tor because it's an anabolic pathway. It builds you right. Well, see, they're both right and wrong. You know this pathway can be very healing. It's like if you eat high protein, you go M Tor and your joints will feel better. You'll go healing, but if you stay emptor all the time, they're right. It will aid you prematurely, right so. It's amazing. There's a season forever. I'm thinking this is like very biblical too, Like seasons for fasting.

1:08:51There's a time for fasting. There's a time for feasting. Absolutely. In ancient cultures they were forced into times of family, right? It's like and. My species survived. Yeah, absolutely. And I believe genetically we're set up for that now. We are. It helps you, but they feasted when they have it. They weren't counting calories when they had it, they ate it and that and when we emulate feast famine and and by the way, that's one of my principles that I've taught doctors, a diet variation, why it's important to change your diet and feast famine cycling, why you need both and the magic is in that change. Love that.

1:09:29OK, so back to alcohol, how we started this conversation. That's right, we were talking about how it actually can have a. Herpetic So now that you all know a lot about Hermesis and you know everything from all those perspectives, I'm so glad that you closed that loop. So my video was everyone's against alcohol right now, right? Vilifying alcohol. But again, when you look at all these healthy countries, when you go to Italy and France, and I mean, every cut, they drink a little bit of alcohol and they typically do it with a meal.

1:10:03My uncle lived to 96 and he had wine with every dinner. Yeah. And again, I, I could easily, from a scientific standpoint, make the argument, show you that a little alcohol creates hormesis, meaning it's a stress that up regulates cellular glutathione. And all these positive things happen. But again, here's where people make the mistake is everybody's hormitic ceiling, how much they can adapt to. And, you know, tolerate is different than the next person's. I would be the first to say there's people who should never drink alcohol, especially people who get addicted to it. Right.

1:10:39Alcoholics. Absolutely never. When I was sick, I couldn't drink any because my bucket was full. Oh, look, you drank it. I didn't even see you drinking. Yeah, yeah, I didn't see that happen. But anyway, my bucket was so full I couldn't adapt to the stress of cold hot, too hot of showers, I would be wiped out. Too cold a shower. When I'd go out in the winter, I had to bundle up because it would wipe me out the cold. Meaning all of those are stressors and I couldn't adapt. So I couldn't drop to any alcohol, like 2 sips, my heart would burn.

1:11:08Right? So it's hot and cold bad? No. Is alcohol bad? No, but too much of any of it can be very bad. So everyone's hormitic ability to deal with alcohol is very different. So you know how much of that it could be 0 for you and it could be one to two drinks for me. If I have 3 drinks, my my aura ring will show me my heart rate variability drops. My heart rate goes up, not good for me. I will cause every problem that they say it becomes very toxic for me.

1:11:38If I have one glass of wine, no problem. I I think it actually makes my sleep better. So the point is, is what is your hermetic ceiling? How much can you tolerate? Just like cold baths, you know, it's different for everybody, but I absolutely believe a little bit of alcohol could be good depending on the person. What do you think about coffee? Same thing. So again, some people I always say because the question is, is does coffee break my intermittent fasting window?

1:12:09And my answer is I don't know test because it's different for everybody. So my wife, her morning coffee and here's how you test. You get a glucose ketone meter, but you just need a glucose meter. And first thing in the morning before you do anything, you test your glucose for like 3 days in a row and then 30 minutes after you test. So you write it down. Let's say it's. People can buy these meters on Amazon it you prick your finger. And then read it right I.

1:12:35Have one of. Those and so you test it. 30 minutes later you drink your coffee. So let's say it's 90 when you first got up, drink your coffee, test it again. Let's say that it goes up to 100 your your glucose. And if that your average goes up when you did the average over those three days, your coffee is not good for you. You're spiking blood cortisol, probably when spiked your glucose levels, you're coming out of your fasting window. By doing that, you're breaking autophagy. So then, OK, great.

1:13:06Add fat to it. Maybe it does better for you, maybe not. OK, great. Try a different coffee. Maybe it's a moldy coffee. Yeah. My point is, is that or maybe you can't tolerate caffeine at all. That's the point. It's different for you than me. So your coffee may or may not be good for you. Yeah. What do you think about nicotine? Again, I, I, you know, I'm probably more critical about nicotine because it's addictiveness, right? But again, some people can do a certain amount and never get addicted.

1:13:33Other people, they get addicted just like that. Nicotine is very, very addictive and very hard to break out. Two of my kids got addicted to it and at first they were on very small amounts. And they were. It gave them focus and they loved it. In those little zens, they started by doing like, you know, one or two a day, right? Small amount. Arguably, you could prove that a small amount of nicotine could be beneficial. OK. Same with the alcohol, right? Or medically.

1:14:04The difference is nicotine can be used every day. Every day. I mean, so could alcohol, right? So too much is not good. But how much are you doing now? I mean, in other words, I promise you, because the how addictive it is, you probably crossed the line into too much. My kids were doing like a can of those a day, which is like massive amount. Yeah, exactly so. And. Did they get off of it? So both of them will quit. But my son who was addicted to marijuana, he was addicted to kratom.

1:14:35He said nicotine was the hardest. But here's the crazy part. Both of them said the same thing. When they got off of it, they realized how much it was doing the negative, how much it was causing more brain fog and how much it was causing like just symptoms. They didn't realize it was the nicotine. And when they stopped it, I'm doing I'm doing a video with them on it, right? Because both of them started with an amount that would be healthy. OK. And then they ended up they just needed it all day because they only felt normal for the moments that small window when they're on it and they realized that it was ruining their day.

1:15:10But I want them to show like, Oh my gosh, how healthy they are now. Yeah, hot topic right now, especially in the Wellness. It is because, yeah, they're focused on the benefit of it. And again, I'm the first to say there's a hormetic thing here that a little bit can be good. But the problem is it's so addictive for most people that it's, you go over the hormetic window, right? Where it's easy for a lot of people to have one glass of wine, you know, hit and miss, right?

1:15:38And maybe, you know, once or twice a week I have one glass of wine, right? It's like because my hormetic window for alcohol is not very good, honestly, you know, so my dad, it's like my uncle who had wine every night, every night. He had his, you know, little drink. And you know, that was my dad. My dad smoked cigarettes for 55 years and of course ended up with lung cancer and he had quit for 20 actually, but it's still got him. But he he still lived 84 years old.

1:16:10You know, it's like amazing, but they didn't have the toxic load that. Exactly. Exactly. I want to ask you about some unusual or lesser known alternative healing therapies. Ozone therapy is one that I've been learning a lot about recently. What's your take on ozone? Axor medically, ozone is an oxidant, right? Oh my gosh, How could that be good? Because it but it stimulates the body in so many positive ways that it up regulates immunity and there's benefits to it.

1:16:39But you can be overdone. Yeah, it can be overdone. What do you think about hyperbaric oxygen therapy? I think it's great. I utilize one myself and but again, it's they've learned now that again, more is not better and pulsing it is better. So yeah, I mean, I think again, it works on the same principle is that we're pushing oxygen into where you need oxygen and that's a good thing. But you know, again, it can be too much. And this is one that I'm the most unsure of, but it has come to my attention in different ways lately.

1:17:14And you've done videos on this with Jonathan Otto. I know what I'm talking about. Urine therapy. OK. I want to hear your take on urine therapy, on, on drinking it, on putting on your skin because Jonathan would say it's the it's the fountain of youth. It's the best thing you can do for your skin. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I love Jonathan, but he's a renegade. Yeah, it. Takes a lot of courage to go off like that on something that is so appalling to most people. So I do applaud him for that, but I'm also just like, personally very grossed out by that idea. It is a gross idea, but listen to this story like Jonathan on his story right.

1:17:54So I for years I don't even remember gosh many many years ago someone said when someone that has a UTI use urine and a morning just a Dixie cup full of urine fixes the UTI. So I remember drinking it morning. Urine TI drinking your. And I remember in practice, you know, trying it with this woman who had a very complicated UTI, it worked. So then I did it again, worked again, my wife, my daughter. I mean, it worked, worked, worked. So I that's the answer, right?

1:18:28You know, that what's in the urine is certain metabolites, antibodies that are your body's trying to do it. It's giving more of it. It acts literally almost like a homeopathic. It works. So Jonathan approaches me about urine therapy. I'm like, oh, yeah, I know. I use it for Utis. Oh, no, no, no. You know, for this, for that, I'm like, oh, wow, yeah. Like really, you know. Oh yeah, the whole morning void. Right. So having some success with urine therapy, if you will, and understanding it to that principle, he challenged me to doing it. So my wife, who had already done it for UTI successfully, she wasn't freaked out at all because she got a benefit from it.

1:19:10So when I'm reading her these things about how urine therapy can work for this and why she's like, yeah, let's do it. So Jonathan tells me to do it for at least I'm thinking I'll do it for a few days a week, what a Max. And he says no, no, do you got to really try do it for a month? I'm like, Oh my gosh. So my wife says it. Has to be in the morning, right? Yeah, morning year. I don't know that it has to be, but that's the best they say. OK, so anyway, so for one month, I wish my wife were here because she would laugh because. So the first morning, you know where I committed to doing this and totally is an experiment, right, That I got up and I'm walking to the bathroom at 6:00 AM and my wife says don't forget to drink your urine.

1:19:51I'm like, Oh my God, like I do not want to start my day with that. It was like I was so mad that I had to do this and it was horrible. People say what is. Everything else you do the rest of the day seems like no big deal because you've already done something that's really like gross and hard. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, Frank Sinatra used to say, I feel bad for people who don't drink because in the morning that's the best they're going to feel all day.

1:20:16OK, so maybe you're in Drinking is the same anyway, so I said OK, so I did it right and it tasted like urine. You know what's it taste like? It tastes. Like it smells, Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So that's the thing. If you hold your nose, you don't taste it at all. But here's the problem. You could hold this nose for 20 minutes. The moment you let it go, you taste it. Still taste it. So. So I learned to hold my nose like orange juice. Or. Something. Yeah.

1:20:38And then you eat something and then it at minimum if you still has this, like, lingering. But here's the truth. OK, 2 truths. 2 truths Truth number one is I got used to it and I didn't even have to hold my nose anymore. OK so that's truth number one. Truth number 2 is I didn't notice anything. I didn't notice anything, so did. You have anything that felt like you. That's the truth. I'm N1 meaning like I didn't really, I wanted to feel better. I wanted to, you know, I wanted something to happen, but it didn't. So that that doesn't minimize the effect because people will be like, you know, I noticed this, I noticed that. Did your wife notice anything?

1:21:16No, because again, she doesn't really. My wife knows nothing anyway. OK, so let's let's be clear. People like. That exactly. She's what I call a Turkey. You know, they just like you, you know, she could take a handful of anything and notice nothing. So. But yeah, but we did it and you know, it's, I can't say I'm any more convinced. Did you put it on your skin? No I but I've had people do that with skin problems and it and it helps. I mean, Jonathan looks great, his skin. Yeah, I mean, and Jonathan's drinking aged urine. OK, Jonathan, there is no chance you're getting me to drink aged urine.

1:21:53What is he? He just lets it sit and like ferment. Yeah, they say the stem cells actually increase in the urine. Oh my gosh, you put it in the fridge or like on the counter? No, no, I'm not doing it. Yeah, I'm not drinking age during. I mean, that's another level. Of gross. Yeah. I was just thinking of like occasions when like the other day, my my son, my youngest, he's three, he had like he had missed the toilet. And so I cleaned it up with a towel and I like threw the towel in the garage. Like I was going to do the wash later but I I forgot until the next day and I walked out and it was horrible. Like the whole garage smelled like urine. So I'm just thinking like aged urine, that's the worst possible.

1:22:31Yeah, You have to have Jonathan on. Ask him like that question. Like what's aged urine tastes like compared to not? And like, what does that smell like? I don't even want to know. I mean, you know, urine is sterile, right? But I would argue aged urine, is it still sterile? I mean, I don't know. I, I don't know, but I don't want to know, you know? So I mean, I'm, I'm an experimenter and, you know, but that that is a step too much. And I love Jonathan, but you know, he, he is something else, you know. Thanks.

1:22:59To you guys for trying it. Yeah, you know, robbing it on the skin for anti aging. I you know, there's something in it called Urolithin A. Everyone's spending a lot of money on Urolithin A. It's might help. Yeah. What? Do you think of that supplement? Yeah, I again, I, I don't notice anything when I take it. I committed to taking it for a period of time, but I, the science is real around it. So. But I guess it's cheaper to drink your shirt to get your urine today.

1:23:25So. But anyways, that's one of the reasons why it could benefit your skin. And I've had people that have eczemas and things use it and it benefits the urea. The urea for the skin, it's good for the skin, so. Interesting. OK, One thing I forgot to ask you about earlier that I definitely want to touch on because we have a lot of pregnant and nursing moms in our audience. What are some safe ways that pregnant or nursing moms can start to do some sort of detox? And I know it has to be more gentle, but yeah, is there anything that.

1:23:56Yeah. I mean, you know, they'll come after me so fast if I'd say any detox for a pregnant woman, right? I mean, you know that's the truth, right? I mean, my gosh, if you mentioned supplements, oftentimes that's why every supplement bottle says not recommended for pregnant women because that's the liability. Exactly. It's liability. So I'm going to hedge this one liability. You know, there are times that I have had women that we were detoxing, right?

1:24:25And they they got pregnant. I told him to stop appropriately. And yet they were in things saying, Oh my God, like my migraine headaches, am I right? He said, and I'm like, like, I can't tell you the detox, but, you know, they're like, but I'm I'm going to. And they did. And it was like, Oh my. It was like, yeah. So could it actually lessen what ended up in the child? Because what needed cleared from the mother? You know, the answer to that is there's a time probably that it's, you know, more appropriate. But those are exceptional situations, I think. I don't think it's a time to challenge toxins out of your tissues when you're pregnant.

1:25:00Just let them let them steep in there for. A little I mean your body, I would sooner rely on innate intelligence to protect the baby and you and those were very exceptional times of very, very toxic people that I couldn't believe they got pregnant type of situations. But I do believe that it you know, it's a time to pull back and rely on any intelligence. So I think it's more important for them to avoid what's coming in to the bucket, and that's when you really need to get as strict as you can to minimize what you're, you know, putting in your body.

1:25:34Yeah, and probably just getting back to the basics like spending time outside. Ground sun, I mean, all of that, that's helping innate intelligence, you know, and I think that is what you focus. On Yeah, I want to ask you a few rapid fire questions to close us out. What is 1 health practice that you will never give up? Detox. I still practice what I got me well and what I preach. I still do it. I don't do it as often because I don't need to. When I was sick, I did cycles of detox for two years consistently, less consistently for another two years.

1:26:12And now, you know, I probably do one of my cycles, you know, every other month maybe, you know, But I do it because I will never give it up. Why? Because I know what's really making people sick is the load of toxicity. Even as good as we do, you and I, we are still getting exposures. Yeah. And that's why detox today is more important than anything. So you're still doing your pompa program about every other I? Still do brain phase is what I call it. There's a prep phase, body phase, brain phase. I still do brain phases.

1:26:44My wife too. My wife and I always do it together. I keep pointing to her, but she. Left with dogs, she was there enough. Vaporized. But yeah, so we still do. We do it together. Very cool and how can people learn more about pompa program? If they if they just go to pompaprogram.com, I think there's a teaching there. There's no charge for it, but it's like it's the same teaching that I do for the doctors. They can watch it. Very cool. What is the most overrated Wellness trend that you're seeing online right now?

1:27:12The most overrated Wellness trend? Yeah, there's there's a few right now. I mean, again, I think that overrated like the cold baths, right? It's like I do them, I don't do them as frequently as most, but I think it's overrated because of how people are violating hormesis. So I think more people are being unhelped than helped, even though I think it can be helpful. It's it's overrated. Obviously. I think bioidentical hormones is way overrated, as I pointed out.

1:27:47And that's unfortunately in our space that's getting a lot of yeah, like, and again, time and a place, but it's it's not health. Yeah. What is your favorite food indulgence? For sure. Pizza or vanilla ice cream Gelato. Nice for sure, 100%. So I get artesian I I get a pizza made with the flour from Italy. OK. Yeah. OK. So it's not like Domino's. Yeah, I don't know. I have to do quality because it's better anyway. It's not like I'm compromising. It's better, you know, real mozzarella, you know, Margarita pizza with real tomato sauce, You know, like the good stuff, right?

1:28:27It's like, man, that's. As you're describing this, are you like sad that you just cancelled your trip to Italy next month? I am. I am. Yeah, yeah. Gelato over there. Yeah, and my dessert of choice is definitely, absolutely Gelato. I mean, no doubt about it. Ice cream it, that's like the one thing that I am less strict on with my kids. Like we're pretty careful about their diets and what they eat. But that's one thing that I'm like, no, I'm not not letting them have like anything with food dyes or just like crap in it. But if like we're out and find like a great like, you know, decent ice cream place, like OK.

1:29:04Well, you know, that's The thing is I may again, as I I said about going to influence, you know, people in our space that are very popular and going to dinner. I made the comment about the water. They they're drinking the tap water, but I watch them order the food without going, wait, I'm allergic to seed oils. That's what we say we're allergic to seed oils because you get their attention and then they're like, oh, that sauce. That's a so I make no exception on seed oil.

1:29:30Zero. You know why? See, I'll make an exception on sugar, the Gelato, the ice cream. Why? Because I'm healthy. You know, I'll burn that up, right? And it does. It's it's ours, you know not years, not years. So those seed oils accumulate in your cells driving. So I make no exception there, right? So what? I eat an ice cream with seed oil? No way. But I'll eat an ice cream with sugar. You. Can always, I'm totally with you on that and we most of the time will ask the questions about the oils at the restaurants as well. And I know that's another thing a lot of people will say it's too stressful to avoid seed oils. It's like once you get used to doing it, it's really not a big deal.

1:30:06And a lot of Times Now they come up and right away they say, do you have any dietary restrictions? And so it's like the more people that are saying that, the more change is going to happen from the restaurant. You know what else is overrated? This is a dietary one that's overrated is gluten. And here's what I mean. There's certain people, if they touch gluten, they're in big trouble. They should avoid gluten. There's some people that are sensitive to gluten, not super allergic, they should avoid gluten and it's very inflammatory for them, right? But when, when I was sick, I was that person, I couldn't eat it. And I remember I couldn't eat most grains. I was reacting to certain proteins because my gut was, you know, wide open as far as a leaky gut goes. But today I can eat gluten.

1:30:46Now I choose to eat healthy organic gluten. Like I'm not because regular weed is sprayed with glyphosate, which is worse than the gluten. But if you don't have leaky gut, your body is fine with gluten. But I think people, and here's why I say it's overrated. I think people reach for gluten. It's this this new health trend. No gluten, it's cool. It's and it's like, you know, that's gluten is even even the biggest problem for you. It's the glyphosate that's on that weed. That's the bigger problem for you. Because also on the the what's it The Dirty dozen? Yeah, absolutely.

1:31:20For those, the blueberries, the apples. All of it and and that's what creates the leaky gut and makes you respond to the gluten in the 1st place. So would I agree that gluten bad for most people because most people have leaky gut? I would agree. But people feel like they're doing goodbye. Oh, this is non gluten. And I look at it, it's like, yeah, it's gluten free, but you see what's in it. Yeah, I know. I think avoiding gluten is like a a good first step and it's where a lot of people start.

1:31:44But now there's just so much gluten free junk. Food so it's overrated as this big health step, right. It's like, and again, acknowledging that gluten can be very bad, especially for certain people, but if you have an ancient organic grain that has gluten, way better than a lot of things that people are reading. Which most people are probably aren't sourcing. Exactly. I mean, do I acknowledge also that the reason why people don't react to gluten with Italian wheat, if you will, is because it's a different grain? For sure.

1:32:17It's a more ancient grain, different gluten strain. So that gluten is definitely better than our gluten. And they don't use glyphosate, which opens up the gut when it hits your gut and allows the gluten to go through. So even if you don't have leaky gut chronically, when you eat glyphosate, we it opens it up tight junctions and in goes gluten and gluten drives the inflammation, you know, so but if you're eating it without glyphosate and especially if it's an ancient grain, then the gluten doesn't have to be reactive. What is a day of eating look like for you? You know, most days I don't eat breakfast, but I purposely eat breakfast at least two days a week. Just diet variation, right?

1:32:57My body, it's not starving. I typically eat 2 meals, maybe 1-2 days a week I eat one meal. See, I vary it. A lot of people are eating one or two meals a day every day. The body will eventually think it's starving. You need more feast days. So I feast at least two or three days a week and meaning I'll eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. And my first meal is typically a very like my first meal, let's say it's at 2:00 in the afternoon or you know, 1:00 or noon. It's typically something very simple. I mean, honestly, and sometimes it's a blender meal, right? Or it's like, because I'm on the go, right? You know, And then dinner, if I'm in ketosis, it's a ketotic meal.

1:33:42It's super low carb. Sometimes I'm eating a higher healthy carbs, you know, then it's going to be it'll, you know, be more towards healthier carbs in a protein. Yeah, pretty basic. So you keep it pretty varied. I, I do, I keep it pretty varied, but simple foods, Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it's like I, I am, I, my wife and I aren't big chefs, you know, So I, I tend to prepare things very simply. I'm the same. I'm laughing because I'm the same. An average meal for me is like ground beef, blueberries and avocado and I don't know, maybe a glass of raw milk or something. Yeah, I love raw milk.

1:34:17I I think raw dairy, grass fed dairy is one of the healthiest foods on the planet planet. Ironic because conventional dairy is probably one of the most toxic. So therefore. Compare the two. They're not. Kind of like gluten in that it's misunderstood, right? It's like this conventional dairy has a protein far more toxic than gluten, but it's a bigger protein, so not as many people are sensitive to it. But beta casein one man, it's like it'll send people reeling.

1:34:43But if you reel dairy, real raw dairy from grass fed cows, you know, typically beta casein a two different protein, amazing healthy food, fat soluble vitamins loaded with vitamin D, vitamin K, the the vitamins that people are really lacking. Raw milk has it right. So good bacteria, this is poison mucus causing. But yeah, so love raw milk. And by the way, I grass fed like I that's another thing I do. We grass fed meats all the time. 100% grass fed grass finished.

1:35:16I don't ever eat conventional chicken ever. It's when you know what we know you're not making that. Conventional chicken grosses me out more than any other conventionally raised animal. Yeah, I'm with you. So at restaurants, you know, I I like, I like lamb, I like clean fish. And I'll let you now restaurants, the restaurant I eat last night had a grass fed grass finished steak. That's what I worked. Yeah, it's becoming more and more common for sure.

1:35:41What is 1 action item that you wish everyone listening would take this week? We said, though, you know, change what you're washing your clothes in, Yes, I mean. Dryer sheets, yeah. Right now, No. Right now, yeah, you don't need that. If you heard this right now, yeah. I mean, that's like, hey, watch what happens. Your hormones. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Thank you so much for being here. Where can people find you and learn more from you? I. Mean my Instagram is Dr. Pompa right my websites drpompa.com so that's easy and then Pompa program you know if you're looking looking to get your health back so. Amazing.

1:36:15Thank you for all the information that you're putting out into the world and sharing with people. I know it's helping so many people, so thank you. I love it, thanks for having me.