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Louder Than Words with John Bonini

Why do certain brands and creators become your favorite while others are forgotten? Why do they seem to effortlessly garner so much more attention than everyone else? Turns out, it’s not the tactics. They’re using the same tools and doing the same things as the rest of us. So, what’s the diff

New episodes: Every two weeks
Typical length: 50 min
Latest: 14 May 2025
Language: English

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14 May 2025 · 42 min

#51 | Words in Progress with Natalie Marcotullio, Part 2 | Making Content Bigger Than What You Sell

In this episode, I sit down with Natalie Marcotullio to talk about the thinking behind Navattic’s Buyer First report—and why content only started working when they made it bigger than the product . We get into: How to create content that people care about before they’re in a buying cycle The evolution of the Buyer First report (and why it’s still ungated) Why tying your brand to a bigger idea builds long-term trust The difference between capturing demand and creating it If you’ve ever felt like your content is stuck in sales-support mode, this one’s for you. Here's the link to the full 2025…

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E50 · 21 Apr 2025 · 24 min
#50 | Words in Progress with Natalie Marcotullio, Part 1 | Building Navattic's Content Brand
In the debut episode of Words in Progress , a mini-series within Louder Than Words, John Bonini sits down with Natalie Marcotullio, Head of Growth & Product Marketing at Navattic, to unpack how she and her team transformed a vague idea— buyer first —into a tangible, ownable editorial narrative and content framework. They walk through the evolution of Navattic's flagship report, how it moved from a simple data dump to a narrative-driven asset, and how that narrative now ties together all of their content efforts—from blog posts and webinars to LinkedIn and beyond. This conversation is a…
E49 · 6 Jun 2024 · 50 min
#49 | Natalie Marcotullio | The Smallest Company that Everyone Knows About
In this episode, John sits down with Natalie Marcotullio, head of growth and operations at Navattic. Natalie shares her experience transitioning from a traditional SEO-driven content marketing playbook to a more customer-focused approach and how that's paid off. Discussed in this episode: Leveraging customer insights and data to craft content that stands out. Unique perspectives and insights are crucial in content creation to differentiate a company from competitors. A unique branding approach that aligns with the company's values and sets it apart from others is essential. Authenticity in…
E48 · 2 May 2024 · 45 min
#48 | Eddie Shleyner | The Most Personal is The Most Creative
In this episode, John catches up with old friend and copywriting savant, Eddie Shleyner. Eddie is the founder of VeryGoodCopy where he has built up a massive audience and profitable personal brand using primarily 2 mediums –– blog posts (what Eddie calls micro articles) and email. Things discussed in this episode: Teaching yourself a new skill can be done through creating personal projects and writing about what you're learning. Adapting content for different mediums requires adjusting the narrative, word count, and technique to fit the platform's parameters. Authenticity and personal…
E47 · 11 Apr 2024 · 50 min
#47 | Ross Simmonds | The Long Game of Content Marketing
This week, John sits down with content legend Ross Simmonds. Ross is the founder and CEO of Foundational Marketing, an agency focused on distribution, as well as the (new!) author of "Create Once, Distribute Forever." Discussed in this episode: Leading with value is crucial in content marketing to avoid being banned or blocked from platforms. Content creators should prioritize distribution to reach a larger audience and maximize the impact of their work. Content has the potential to live beyond the creator and inspire future generations. Repurposing and updating existing content can be an…
E46 · 3 Apr 2024 · 47 min
#46 | Emily Triplett Lentz | Behind the Content at Basecamp, Help Scout, and Calendly
This week, I sit down with a friend and and someone whose work I've long admired––Emily Triplett Lentz. Emily has one of the most prolific and legendary resumes in content marketing, working for brands like Basecamp, Help Scout, Loom, and currently, Calendly. Things discussed in this episode: Community plays a crucial role in content marketing as it helps build trust and loyalty among target audiences. Basecamp's non-traditional approach to content, driven by strong opinions and clarity in messaging, contributed to its success and loyal following. Synthesizing information from various…
E45 · 20 Mar 2024 · 54 min
#45 | Chris Savage | Content Is the Product
This week, John sits down with Chris Savage, co-founder and CEO at Wistia. The team at Wistia has always approached content differently than most other companies. They host, and film, parades. They buy and refurbish old station wagons. They record original music. All for the content. In this episode, John geeks out with Chris to learn all about the how and why behind Wistia's unique flavor of content over the last 17 years. Discussed in this episode: Creativity and quality are essential in content creation to capture audience attention and build trust. Human connection and trust are crucial…
E44 · 14 Mar 2024 · 52 min
#44 | Brendan Hufford | The Importance of Creativity & Consistency in Building a Brand
In this episode, John hangs out with recovering in-house marketer, now founder of Growth Sprints, Brendan Hufford. In the past, Hufford worked in both growth and SEO for companies like ActiveCampaign. Now, he works with SaaS companies to help take them grow through short, focused sprints using his SaaS Growth Sprint framework. Discussed in this episode: Navigating bureaucracy requires understanding the value of stair stepping and starting with a V1, V2, V3 approach. Transitioning from one career to another often involves taking a step back to gain momentum and escape toxic work environments.…
E43 · 7 Mar 2024 · 52 min
#43 | Rand Fishkin | Designing a Business (and content) for Meaningful Engagement
This week, John is joined by Rand Fishkin––one of the true OGs when it comes to B2B content marketing. Rand is the founder and former CEO of Moz and the current founder and CEO of SparkToro. He's also the author of Lost and Founder: A Painfully Honest Field Guide to the Startup World. Discussed in this episode: SparkToro's three-year retrospective The evolution of Rand's marketing approach involved a shift from less strategic and more experimental tactics to a focus on scalability. Balancing scalability and personalization is a key consideration in marketing, with scalable tactics often…
E42 · 29 Feb 2024 · 47 min
#42 | Amanda Goetz | The Messiness of Finding Your Content Niche & Going Independent
This week, John sits down with Amanda Goetz. Amanda is a 2x founder, 3x CMO, and now a full-time brand builder and creator on personal and professional growth inspiring 150k people each week through social and her weekly newsletter, Life’s a Game. Amanda shares insights and experiences on: Her experience transitioning to full-time content creation (and she’s worked through the anxiety that induces). How/why finding validation and proof points, such as audience growth, engagement, and revenue, are important in building a successful content creation business (and how she founder hers). How…
E41 · 20 Dec 2023 · 1 hr 10 min
#41 | Dave Gerhardt | Building & Monetizing a Personal Brand to $1M+
You know Dave Gerhardt. Maybe it's from his days running marketing at Drift. Or from his time hosting the Seeking Wisdom podcast with David Cancel. Or, maybe you've heard of (or are a member of) his B2B community, Exit Five. Point is, if you've been working in B2B marketing at any point in the last decade, you know Dave. In this rare podcast interview, Dave goes into detail on everything that's led him to this point––the solo founder of a $1M business. You'll hear what he learned during his days at Drift, how his community first launched as a side gig, when he knew he could go all in on his…
E40 · 14 Dec 2023 · 44 min
#40 | Amanda Natividad | Defensible Content
We’re back! The first new episode of Louder Than Words in more than 6(!) years. Today, John welcomes marketing and creative extraordinaire Amanda Natividad to talk about her own journey as a creator filled with uncertainty and self-doubt to a full-blown influencer, how she approaches creating content that’s unique and more defensible, and how the freedom to create on her/their own terms at SparkToro works to their benefit. Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode, the promotional clips, and handling the overall production of Louder Than Words.
E39 · 21 Jul 2017 · 41 min
Lindsay Pettingill: Airbnb's 4 Principles For Marketing Experimentation
Airbnb runs about 700 experiments in a given week. Here, I chat with data scientist Linsday Pettingill on the culture and principles that allow their team to move so quickly and efficiently, and how others people can transpose these ideas to their own work.
E38 · 25 Apr 2017 · 56 min
Sean Ellis & Morgan Brown: How Successful Companies Drive Extraordinary Growth
What do companies like Facebook, Dropbox, Airbnb, Pinterest (and others!) all have in common? Not just a great product, but a methodical, measured approach to driving extraordinary growth. In this episode, Sean Ellis and Morgan Brown (founders of GrowthHackers.com) unpack the principles behind these methods.
E37 · 24 Aug 2016 · 47 min
Scott Monty: The Moves That Helped Change Ford Motor Company's Image
Scott Monty, former head of social media at Ford Motor Company, talks about his decision to join Ford in 2008 and the specifics of what went into the social and branding strategies that helped turn the company’s image around.
E36 · 28 Jul 2016 · 38 min
Jason Fried: The Basecamp Founder on Bypassing Perverted Growth for Profitability
Jason Fried, Founder and CEO of Basecamp, talks about the (rare) art of making more money than you spend instead of aiming for growth at all costs.
E35 · 12 Jul 2016 · 36 min
Christian Rudder: Growing OkCupid from Underdog to Generating 30,000 First Dates Every Single Day
Christian Rudder, cofounder of OkCupid and bestselling author of “Dataclysm: Who We Are When We Think No One is Looking”, talks about OkCupid’s algorithmic approach to growing past its competition.
E34 · 8 Jun 2016 · 38 min
Tucker Max: How to Turn Your Ideas Into Books Without Actually Writing Them
Tucker Max, bestselling author of "I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell", talks about the inspiration behind founding his new company, Book in a Box, and how they’re helping people turn ideas into books.
E33 · 2 Jun 2016 · 54 min
Jay Acunzo: Connecting People That Are Bothered By "Suck"
Jay Acunzo, former marketer at Google and HubSpot, talks about the inspiration behind his current passion project Unthinkable.fm, and how he’s helping connect marketers everywhere that are bothered by “suck.”
E32 · 10 Apr 2016 · 57 min
Meghan Keaney Anderson: HubSpot's VP of Marketing On Why Content is Moving Away from the Website
Meghan Keaney Anderson, HubSpot's VP of Marketing, has been with the company for five years. Here she talks about the levers that have inspired growth and why content and SEO will be radically different over the next five years.
E31 · 4 Apr 2016 · 52 min
Jess Iandiorio: Drift's VP of Marketing on Building A Customer Growth Strategy
Jess Iandiorio, VP of Marketing at Drift, details prescriptive tips on how brands can start building a more effective customer growth strategy and retain more customers.
E30 · 28 Mar 2016 · 1 hr 1 min
Keith Frankel: "You can be honest without being an asshole"
Keith Frankel talks in detail about the career that has taken him from the competitive board rooms at MTV to the rose-tinted offices of the tech world and the experiences therein that led to his mission to never lie again.
E29 · 13 Mar 2016 · 57 min
Neil Pasricha: The Bestselling Author On Discovering the Simplest Formula to A Happy Life
Neil Pasricha, best known for his blog–1000 Awesome Things–and subsequent "Book of Awesome" series talks about his new book, "The Happiness Equation", and how he discovered the simplest formula to a happy life.
E28 · 1 Feb 2016 · 53 min
Jason Zook: The Guy Who Made $1 Million Wearing T-Shirts
Jason Zook, best known for making over $1,000,000 wearing t-shirts and selling his last name (twice), talks about creativity, hustle porn, and preparing for success.
E27 · 18 Nov 2015 · 54 min
David Heinemeier Hansson: The Cofounder of Basecamp on Rejecting Money & Living Happily Ever After
David Heinemeier Hansson on why Silicon Valley culture gets it all wrong.
E26 · 10 Nov 2015 · 30 min
Nataly Kogan: The Road to “Happier" from Communist Russia
Nataly Kogan, founder of Happier, talks about escaping communist Russia at 13 and her life’s work of helping others find happiness in small, bite-sized, everyday moments.
E25 · 6 Nov 2015 · 40 min
Jeff Sheldon: The Founder of Ugmonk on Fighting Obscurity & Selling Your First 200 Shirts
Jeff Sheldon, the designer and founder of Ugmonk, talks about growing his side passion project into the well-known lifestyle brand it's become today.
E24 · 26 Oct 2015 · 1 hr 12 min
The Austin Kleon Episode
Austin Kleon, the New York Times best selling author of Steal Like an Artist and Show Your Work, chats on everything from the importance of being boring, how he collects ideas, the Talking Heads, and much, more more.
E23 · 15 Oct 2015 · 36 min
Ann Handley: Spandex & Volkswagen – or How Anyone Can Overcome Their Writing Woes
Ann Handley, the world's first chief content officer and best selling author of Everybody Writes, talks about overcoming her own distractions to be a better writer (and why delivering newsletters in her neighbor's mailbox as a child was not scalable.)
E22 · 29 Sep 2015 · 43 min
Joe Pulizzi: How to Start Something By Selling Nothing
Joe Pulizzi, founder of Content Marketing Institute and author of Content Inc., talks about how many successful companies experience "happy accidents" in the way they grow their content marketing strategies.

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Publisher: John Bonini
Language: English
Category: Business
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Typical length: 50 min
Latest episode: 14 May 2025
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