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Odds on Open

by Ethan Kho · English · Business

Conversations with leading thinkers on trading and investing. Hosted by Ethan Kho. Produced by Patrick Kho.

New episodes: Weekly
Typical length: 1 hr 12 min
Latest: 8 Oct 2026
Language: English

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8 Oct 2026 · 1 hr 22 min

Ex-Goldman MD: "Credit Markets Move in Step Functions"

Geoffrey Williams spent more than a decade at Goldman Sachs, where he traded structured products through the 2008 financial crisis and later co-ran the CMBS trading business. In this episode of Odds on Open, he takes Ethan Kho inside the Goldman mortgage desk as Bear Stearns and Lehman collapsed. He explains how banks sold tens of billions of super senior protection on ABS CDOs for 10 basis points a year, and what it was like to trade TABX and ABS CDOs as AAA paper repriced from basis points to points upfront. He also breaks down how conduit CMBS is structured and tranched, why commercial…

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1 Oct 2026 · 56 min
Ex-Lehman Trader: AI Won't Give You Edge
Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html In this episode of Odds on Open, Alpaca Co-Founder and CEO Yoshi Yokokawa breaks down the changing microstructure of systematic trading, the democratization of quantitative R&D, and why AI agents alone will never grant you a defensible market edge. As LLMs compress strategy iteration and backtesting feedback loops, the traditional line between retail quants and institutional fund managers continues to blur. Yoshi shares high-signal data from Alpaca’s API platform—tracking a 4x explosion in active algorithmic developers—and…
24 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 28 min
Retail Trader vs. Hedge Fund Manager: Where Is the Real Alpha?
Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html Chris Camillo and Tom Costello go head-to-head on Odds on Open's first every debate episode. They answer a question every trader eventually confronts: who is actually better positioned to take risk — a concentrated retail investor with no LPs, mandates, or career risk, or an institutional hedge fund manager with a two-and-twenty product to protect? Chris, who compounded $20K into roughly $80 million over 18 years using his "social arb" strategy, argues that a 50–70% drawdown is rational inside a properly bucketed, levered,…
17 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 14 min
Ex-IMC Semiconductors Quant: AI Is Good Enough to Beat the S&P 500
Lihong Wang spent his career as a discretionary options trader at IMC, one of the world's largest market makers, trading semiconductor volatility on names like Nvidia, AMD, and Broadcom. In this episode, he breaks down how a prop trading desk actually makes money: reading order flow to identify counterparties, trading against structured product hedging flows from Asian banks, warehousing benign risk instead of externalizing it, and why correlation blowups — like the DeepSeek selloff and July's deleveraging cascade — are how options market makers get hurt. He explains why the seat at a top…
11 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 33 min
Hedge Fund Manager Alix Pasquet: How Small Funds Can Outsmart Multi-Managers
Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html Alix Pasquet, hedge fund manager and Managing Partner at Prime Macaya Capital, breaks down how fundamental investors build durable edge in modern markets. In this episode, Alix explains the three sources of competitive advantage in the investment business — analytical, informational, and behavioral — and why exploiting group behavior beats behavioral finance checklists. He covers what he learned inside a top quant fund (data scrubbing, transaction costs, temporal stops), how smaller hedge funds compete against multi-manager pods…
3 Sep 2026 · 45 min
⁠Greed Makes Markets: Market Making From First Principles With an HFT Quant
How does market making actually work? In this lecture, former high-frequency trader Annanay Kapila (Flow Traders, Tower Research Capital; founder & CEO of QFEX) breaks down the mechanics of market making from first principles. He maps the systematic trading landscape—prop trading vs hedge funds, HFT vs mid-frequency—and explains why market making sits in the high-Sharpe, proprietary quadrant. You'll learn how a central limit order book (CLOB) works, how arbitrage-free pricing pins down fair value (theo), and why the mid-price between best bid and best ask is the market's best estimate of a…
27 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 5 min
22-Year-Old Hedge Fund Manager: “Hedge funds are the least sexy business in the world”
Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html Noah Kann is 22, running his third firm, and managing capital raised from some of the wealthiest families in America. On this episode of Odds on Open, Ethan Kho sits down with the co-CEO of Venari Asset Management to unpack what a 22-year-old hedge fund manager knows that 20-year Wall Street veterans miss: why running a hedge fund is the least sexy business in finance, why compliance and a well-written PPM are an emerging manager's competitive advantage, and why complacency, not inexperience, is the real driver of alpha decay.…
21 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 14 min
He Started a Quant Fund in His Dorm. Now He's Building the Brokerage for Everything.
Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.html Lucas Schuermann started a market-neutral quant fund in his Columbia dorm room, trading stat arb across FX and early crypto markets, before dropping out to scale it into Q Capital. In this episode of Odds on Open, he breaks down how he electronified Genesis Trading's OTC desk as VP of Engineering — taking a phone-and-Telegram trading operation to a fully electronic market-making system with HFT execution — and why flow, capital, and trust are the real moats in market making, not speed. He explains the biggest misconception about…
13 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 17 min
Inside the Billionaire-Backed Prediction Markets Hedge Fund
Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.htmlCamilo Saravia is the founder of BlueWalker Capital, a systematic hedge fund trading prediction markets — and possibly the only fund dedicated exclusively to the asset class. Backed by Daniel Howard, son of Brevan Howard co-founder Alan Howard, Camilo breaks down how the fund prints alpha across taker and maker strategies, reflexive vs. proactive pricing, and why event contracts carry different adverse selection and binary risk than equities. He makes the contrarian case that insider flow is a feature, not a bug — the mechanism…
6 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 15 min
World's #1 Oil Hedge Fund Manager: How I Made 200% While Everyone Lost 60%
Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/flux4/index.htmlJosh Young (Bison Capital) on Energy Alpha, Deep Value, and Activism in Small-Cap Oil & Gas: Josh Young runs a concentrated, long-only public equities energy fund that's up 200% since inception while the energy sector is down 60% — a spread he calls a statistical impossibility. In this episode, Josh breaks down the process behind that outperformance: why he screens for large discounts to liquidation value and third-party reserve appraisals, how being chairman of a public E&P rewired his view of oil and gas as a capital allocation…
30 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 23 min
The Strategy Behind Asia’s $6 Billion Quant Fund: Quantedge
Checkout Flux 4.0 here: https://www.flux.live/Suhaimi Zainul-Abidi is the CEO of Quantedge, the Singapore-based systematic hedge fund that has compounded at roughly 20% net annualized returns for 20 years — growing from $3 million raised from friends and family to over $6 billion in AUM, with close to $5 billion of that from investment gains rather than fundraising. In this episode of Odds on Open, Suhaimi breaks down Quantedge's founding thesis and why the firm's real edge isn't informational: with close to 300 distinct markets traded across equities, commodities, rates and FX, breadth and…
23 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 11 min
Ex-Balyasny PM: “Automation will increase demand for hedge fund talent.”
In this episode of Odds on Open, former Balyasny Asset Management (BAM) quantamental portfolio manager and Imply founder Ying Hua breaks down how top multi-manager hedge funds synthesize quantitative discipline with discretionary analysis to extract repeatable market alpha. Ying details the mechanics of constructing a systematic quantamental framework—ranging from automating volatility-adjusted position sizing to eliminate behavioral bias, to scraping granular alternative data sets like state highway patrol records and geospatial tracking for asymmetric earnings trades. The conversation…
16 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 6 min
~100% Returns in 2025, No Losing Year Since 2008: Erik Smolinski on Edge for Retail Trader Edge
In this episode of *Odds on Open*, hedge fund risk manager and derivatives trader Erik Smolinski deconstructs the structural mechanics of alpha generation, portfolio construction, and risk mitigation in liquid markets. Boasting a near-100% return last year and a flawless annual track record since 2008, Erik details how he transitions from profiling persistent market effects to engineering scalable profit mechanisms. The discussion explores the practical realities of the variance risk premium (VRP), sector rotation dynamics, and advanced derivatives structures—such as ratio call…
9 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 27 min
Ex-Citadel PM: All Hedge Fund Failures Are Because of One Reason - Rich Falk Wallace
In this episode of Odds on Open, we dissect the mechanics of institutional alpha generation with Rich Falk-Wallace, founder of Arcana and former portfolio manager at Citadel. Rich explains why the vast majority of hedge fund failures stem from flawed portfolio construction and mismanaged risk leakage rather than a lack of fundamental insights. We dive deep into how elite multi-strat platforms mathematically isolate idiosyncratic alpha by systematically neutralizing ex-ante correlation and factor exposures across trading books. For PMs, quants, and allocators looking to understand market…
2 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 8 min
Ex-Two Sigma Quant: You Should Bet Against Bullish Analysts
Apply to Onyx’s trading event here: https://www.onyxcapitalgroup.com/uni-studentsIn this episode of Odds on Open, former Two Sigma quant Omer Cedar joins host Ethan to deconstruct how top-tier quantitative hedge funds systematically aggregate discretionary signals to isolate pure alpha. Cedar reveals the inner workings of institutional alpha capture programs, detailing how premier multi-manager pods map the information propagation curve and exploit crowded consensus sentiment to capitalize on structural mispricings. The conversation provides a rigorous, finance-native breakdown of market…
25 Jun 2026 · 1 hr
Ex-Citadel Quant on Trading the Most Asymmetric Market - Neel Somani
Apply to Onyx’s Junior Tech Graduate Scheme here: https://verichain.io/apply/0aa1debe-ac6c-452f-9421-da6cbf4a3e8cIn this episode of Odds on Open, former Citadel quant researcher Neel Somani breaks down the opaque market structure and alpha generation mechanisms driving institutional power and natural gas trading. Neel explores the foundations of competitive edge within power markets, detailing how transmission line congestion, binding physical grid constraints, and localized supply-demand dynamics create highly asymmetric, high-skew assets. The conversation dives into the operational reality…
20 Jun 2026 · 1 hr 12 min
LTCM Co-founder Victor Hagani: “Taking Risk Is Always a Negative.”
Apply to Onyx’s Junior Tech Graduate Scheme here: https://verichain.io/apply/0aa1debe-ac6c-452f-9421-da6cbf4a3e8cIn this episode of Odds on Open, we sit down with Victor Haghani, co-founder of Long-Term Capital Management (LTCM) and founder of Elm Wealth, to dissect why institutional alpha frequently breaks down during the position sizing phase. While standard market commentary focuses heavily on asset selection, Haghani establishes that optimizing your risk-adjusted return is an independent, non-zero-sum discipline that dictates long-term survival. We explore the structural friction between…
4 Jun 2026 · 1 hr 16 min
Quant Hedge Fund Partner: Raising Capital Is Harder Than Generating Returns
Apply to Onyx’s Junior Tech Graduate Scheme here: https://verichain.io/apply/0aa1debe-ac6c-452f-9421-da6cbf4a3e8cDeWayne Louis (Versor Investments) returns to break down the part of the business almost no one explains: not generating returns, but raising the capital to scale them. After Versor pulled in half a billion dollars for an event-driven strategy with just two and a half years of track record, DeWayne walks through exactly how allocations from multi-managers and managed-account platforms actually get done — and why he argues raising capital is harder than making money.We get into the…
28 May 2026 · 1 hr 4 min
Ex-WorldQuant Head of Data Strategy: Quants “Don’t Care About the Stock Market”
In this episode of Odds on Open, we deconstruct the evolution of alternative data and alpha generation with Matt Ober, former Head of Data Strategy at WorldQuant and Chief Data Scientist at Third Point. We dive deep into the institutional framework required to scale systematic trading strategies, the cultural friction of implementing quantamental processes within long-short equity pods, and the specific mechanisms used by portfolio managers to extract a variant view from massive datasets. From the factory-floor automation of PhD-led quant shops to the high-stakes risk management of activist…
24 May 2026 · 1 hr 9 min
The Secret to Uncorrelated Alpha in Crypto - Leigh Drogen on Starkiller Capital’s Sharpe Ratio of 4
Apply to Onyx’s Junior Tech Graduate Scheme here: https://verichain.io/apply/0aa1debe-ac6c-452f-9421-da6cbf4a3e8cLeigh Drogen, CIO of Starkiller Capital, joins the podcast to dissect the mechanics of a market neutral DeFi strategy currently operating at a 4 Sharpe ratio. We move past surface-level crypto narratives to analyze the quantitative scoring of protocol risk, code provenance, and the identification of incentivized spreads in carry trades. Drogen outlines a rigorous framework for position sizing based on a 1% max-loss rule and explains how Starkiller modulates risk across market…
14 May 2026 · 1 hr 8 min
“Market Crashes Are Good for My Strategy” - One-Man Hedge Fund PM George Livadas
Apply here: https://onyxcapitalgroup.com/uni-studentsGeorge Livadas, Portfolio Manager and founder of Peregrine Capital, joins the show to break down the mechanics of running a concentrated, defensive long/short strategy as a solo PM. We explore how George generates alpha by systematically avoiding "hedge fund hotel" crowding, focusing instead on microstructure edges within niche sectors like non-bank financials and packaging to maintain a variant view. George details his portfolio construction framework—balancing core quality compounders with tactical value—and explains the math behind…
7 May 2026 · 1 hr 16 min
“If it is easy and obvious, there is no edge in it” - TD Quant Matt Schrager
In this episode of Odds on Open, TD Quant Matt Schrager discusses the microstructure of municipal bond market making and the technical challenges of extracting alpha from illiquid fixed income instruments. We analyze the shift from low-latency HFT frameworks to the probabilistic modeling and statistical pricing required for securities with fragmented liquidity. Matt details the mechanics of systematic inventory management, risk-adjusted P&L optimization, and the cultural integration of elite proprietary trading teams within institutional balance sheets.Schrager outlines a variant view on…
30 Apr 2026 · 1 hr 16 min
Ex-Tudor Quant PM: “There Hasn't Been a New Idea in Trading for 15 Years”
In this episode of Odds on Open, we go deep into the mechanics of edge, credibility, and the structural evolution of the hedge fund industry. Host Ethan sits down with Tom, a veteran Quant PM formerly of Tudor Investment Corp and Moore Capital, to deconstruct what separates the top-tier "pod shops" from the bottom 40% of funds that fail to preserve capital.Tom challenges the common perception of market randomness, arguing instead for a deterministic view of market structure where alpha is captured by modeling participant incentives rather than just price action. We discuss the "Unified Field…
23 Apr 2026 · 1 hr 10 min
“Concentrated Strategies Will Do Extremely Well” - Sean Emory on Outperforming the Index
Sean Emory of Avery discusses the evolution of edge in liquid markets, specifically how to leverage alternative data—from App Store analytics to digital exhaust—to identify fundamental inflection points before they are reflected in the price. We dive deep into Sean’s underwriting process, exploring how institutional investors can use granular data sets to track thesis confirmation and identify a margin of safety in real-time. This conversation provides a technical breakdown of how to separate signal from noise in a market regime increasingly dominated by ultra-short-term microstructure and…
16 Apr 2026 · 1 hr 35 min
“It’s the Dumbest Market in the World” - Quant Trader Scott Phillips on Edge in Crypto
In this episode of Odds on Open, quant trader Scott Phillips joins the pod to break down why crypto remains "the dumbest market in the world" and a goldmine for systematic edge. We dive deep into table selection and why the lack of institutional competition allows for Sharpe ratios exceeding 2.0 through basic trend following and momentum strategies. Phillips explains the mechanics of market inefficiencies, from the reflexivity of on-chain liquidity to the alpha found in tracking price-insensitive buyers and VC exit liquidity. For hedge fund analysts and quants, this is a masterclass in…
9 Apr 2026 · 1 hr 1 min
Now Is the Best Time to Become a Junior Analyst - Ex-Citadel and D. E. Shaw PM Brett Caughran
Get 10% off on Fundamental Edge: https://www.fundamentedge.com/odds-on-open-podcastIn this episode of Odds on Open, Ethan Kho sits down with Brett Caughran, founder of Fundamental Edge and a former Portfolio Manager at elite Tiger Cub and Multi-Manager (MM) firms.As generative AI and agentic workflows commoditize the "desktop research" layer of investing, the bar for generating idiosyncratic alpha has never been higher. Brett breaks down the specific frameworks—including ETIC (Everything There Is To Know) and the Focus 5—that top-tier pods use to identify mispriced securities and isolate key…
2 Apr 2026 · 56 min
"Positions Can Be LESS Risky at Higher Prices" - Derek Pilecki on Finding Edge in Financials
In this episode of Odds on Open, Ethan Kho sits down with Derek Pilecki, founder of Gator Capital Management, to deconstruct his 20%+ annualized track record in the financial sector. While many generalist PMs view financials as a "sleepy backwater" or overly complex, Derek explains how he extracts alpha from regional banks, brokerages, and insurance companies by identifying fundamental business changes before they are reflected in the tape.The conversation moves from the microstructure of bank underwriting in a post-Dodd-Frank regime to the practicalities of portfolio construction, including…
27 Mar 2026 · 1 hr 15 min
How Billionaire Hedge Fund Managers Are Using Generative AI to Invest
In this episode of Odds on Open, we analyze the technical architecture of the data science layer within fundamental hedge funds. Guest Matei Zatreanu, founder of System2, discusses the tension between generative AI and the search for outlier-driven alpha. We move beyond the hype of LLMs to discuss the practicalities of expert network automation, the causal mapping of second-order macro effects, and why the most successful PMs treat their investment process as a craft rather than a business operation. The conversation also explores the structural shift from single-manager funds to…
19 Mar 2026 · 1 hr 10 min
How the World’s Largest Oil Derivatives Trading Firm Is Navigating the Iran War
This episode was filmed on Thursday, March 12, 2026. Greg Newman, founder and CEO of Onyx Capital Group and the largest liquidity provider in oil derivatives markets, on what it actually looks like to run a market-making book when liquidity breaks down entirely. What most participants misunderstand about oil vol is that the outright price — Brent, WTI — is a proxy, not the market; the real information lives in time spreads, regional diffs, and niche contracts that only a handful of firms have visibility into. Why fair value discovery in a dislocated market requires abandoning automation,…
12 Mar 2026 · 1 hr 8 min
Annie Duke on Thinking in Bets - And Why Winners Can Be Wrong
Legendary poker champion, decision scientist, and author of "Thinking in Bets," Annie Duke deconstructs the mechanics of decision-making under uncertainty, shifting the focus from high-variance outcomes to the rigor of positive expectancy and robust process. Leveraging her background in professional poker and cognitive psychology, Duke explores how loss aversion and resulting—the cognitive trap of equating outcome quality with decision quality—can degrade a trader's edge and lead to suboptimal portfolio construction. The conversation moves beyond theory into the practical application of base…

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Conversations with leading thinkers on trading and investing. Hosted by Ethan Kho. Produced by Patrick Kho.

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Publisher: Ethan Kho
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Typical length: 1 hr 12 min
Latest episode: 8 Oct 2026
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