#911 Packers Unscripted: Rivalry week

0:07Speaker 1:Hi everybody, welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from Packers.com. I am Mike Spofford, joined by my partner in everything, Packers Wes Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from the Pottawatomie Sportsbook studio inside the walls of Lambeau Field to preview Wes Sunday at Lambeau. Noon Central Time kickoff, it will be the Chicago Bears visiting the Green Bay Packers. And let's talk a little bit about this Bears team. They are the defending NFC North champs. As we know, they are 3-1 defensively. This season and they are coming in with a backup quarterback in Tyson Bajent who has taken the reins in the absence of Caleb Williams.

0:46Speaker 2:This is a team.

0:48Speaker 1:They've dealt with their share of injuries already early in the season as well, but they're playing some pretty good football.

0:52Speaker 3:Yeah, they sure are, Mike.

0:53Speaker 4:And they're finding different ways to win too, right? Because I think everybody kind of twists it right off the bat. They have that big shootout with Carolina, and we're hearing the stuff about this is going to be the worst game we play all season, and they score 59 points and all these other things. But I thought that kind of distracted the real narrative there, which is, the Bears are a three-phase football team. And as much notoriety and as much acclaim and as much attention as Caleb Williams gets because he's a number one overall pick and a franchise quarterback, you know, there's just so many different levels to this thing, right? The Kyle Mennon guys of the world, the way their defense is structured, how they've rebuilt their offensive line over the last three, four years. The Bears are a real mess there for a while. And You know, you give credit to their front office. You give credit to their ownership. I mean, they were patient with it because there were some times where it kind.

1:41Speaker 2:Of looked a little bleak.

1:43Speaker 4:Now, the cynic in me would say, well, when you swing that much on a quarterback and you finally get the number one overall pick, it makes sense that you finally hit on it.

1:50Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly.

1:51Speaker 4:But it is the way that they've found ways to build around Caleb Williams now that really impresses me. And certainly with Ben Johnson, everybody knows what he's been doing in the National Football League here the last four or five years from an offensive perspective. Yep. I think Dennis Allen is one of the most underrated defensive minds. Certainly been a head coach in the league, but I don't know if he's ever gotten his proper due in terms of what he brings in terms of his scheme. We talk so much about the Brian Flores of the world.

2:17Speaker 4:I don't think the conversation is there enough about Dennis Allen.

2:19Speaker 2:It's a valid point.

2:22Speaker 4:A big old answer from Wes Hodquist on this one. But, I mean, the fact is that the Bears are exactly who everybody thinks they are right now, and the Packers have a big challenge in front of them.

2:32Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to start on the offensive side of the ball. I want to talk about both sides of the ball. But offensively, I mean, I'll admit, I was surprised. I'm not at Hallis Hall every day. So I was surprised that as well as Case Keenum played in that Monday night victory at Soldier Field over the Eagles, I was surprised that then they went right back to Tyson Bajent when he got healthy. That being said, that move tells you what they think of Tyson Bajent, right? That that they believe in this young man. Division II college quarterback out of Shepard University, undrafted. He's been there now for four years. This is his fourth year in the league.

3:14Speaker 1:And the fact that they would just toss Keenum aside as soon as Bajent was healthy. Because to me, it wasn't just that the Bears won that Monday night game against the Eagles. It was how well Keenum played on very short notice. But they believe in this young quarterback. And He's got two running backs behind him. I mean, it's a two-headed monster, right, with DeAndre Swift, Kyle Menungai. Both of these guys have over 300 yards rushing already. They're both on pace for essentially like a 1,200 or 1,300-yard season each, right, if you do the math right now.

3:51Speaker 1:They're going to come into Lambeau Field looking to just establish their game, which is the classic Ben Johnson offense, in my opinion. which is to run the ball, to set up play action, to give their quarterback clean throwing lanes, good looks, good protection, but it all starts with those running backs and what they can do on the ground.

4:10Speaker 4:Yeah, and that kind of goes back to my original thesis of this whole thing, which is they've done a tremendous job of building around Caleb Williams, so then when Caleb Williams isn't available, naturally you have some talented but maybe not as acclaimed players quarterbacks behind him that still have a really good arsenal of weapons to utilize, a good offensive line in front of them. And I'll be honest with you, Mike, I don't know how this season's going to go. I think based on the fact that Williams is missing this much time, I don't know if the 4,000-yard passer year thing is going to go by the wayside yet.

4:41Speaker 2:I hadn't even thought of that.

4:43Speaker 1:Yeah, they've been searching for their franchise's first ever 4,000-yard passer.

4:48Speaker 2:And yeah, it may not happen. He may not have enough games to.

4:50Speaker 3:Get that in.

4:51Speaker 4:But even if it doesn't, even if it wasn't a situation there with Williams and the injury, I just think when you look at Ben Johnson, and this goes back to when he was in Detroit, he wants to have a multifaceted rushing attack that is going to be able to beat defenses in different ways. We saw it for a few years with the Lions, and you're seeing it now. We all know what DeAndre Swift can do. There were a couple injury concerns there with him early on. He's bounced around a little bit before he got back to Chicago.

5:19Speaker 4:But the fact is, I should say back to the NFC North, back to Chicago. But the fact is, is that Kyle Menungai is sort of this Aaron Jones type find in day three last year. Now he was a seventh rounder where Aaron was only a fifth, but he was like kind of like Bajent a little bit. He was this like kind of good story out of training camp a year ago, making some noise in the preseason. And then the regular season starts and he starts being the complimentary back. And no, this guy's super talented. So yeah, I think when you look at all the offensive things that the Bears have put together, a lot of it is built around the ground game. And for that reason, as Jonathan Gannon said at the podium on Tuesday, 93 offensive plays, 42 minutes of time of possession against the Jets.

6:02Speaker 4:That wasn't a surprise. This is how Chicago wants to go about sort of just drawing you out wearing you down in that marathon of a football game.

6:13Speaker 1:Yeah, and those weapons are there no matter who the quarterback is, right? When you're talking about, you know, Roman Dunzay, Luther Burden, Colston Loveland at tight end, you said it, you know, they built around that number one overall pick at quarterback.

6:25Speaker 2:So those guys are there.

6:27Speaker 1:On the defensive side, a couple of things stand out to me about this group. One is it's got six takeaways, which is off the pace of last season when they had 30 plus by the end of the year. But six takeaways in four games is still nothing to sneeze at. I mean, that's still a lot of production in that department. And what stands out to me the most in sort of the traditional statistics defensively, and I wrote about this on Packers.com, there's a story that was posted. Unfortunately, it got posted kind of late on Wednesday. So, you know, you might have to hunt for it a little bit.

7:01Speaker 1:It might have gotten already buried by an even better story by Wes that was posted this morning.

7:06Speaker 2:But I digress. 24%.

7:10Speaker 1:Third down conversion rate the Bears are allowing defensively, which ranks second in the league right now. And when you combine that with the fact that the Packers are coming into this game with the bottom of the league ranking at 26% offensive conversions on third down, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that that is a statistic that needs to change for Green Bay in order for the Packers to have a shot to.

7:35Speaker 2:Win this game.

7:37Speaker 4:And again, not that we're getting into keys to victory yet, but for the Packers to have a shot at winning this game, they have to establish the run. Because I think you've seen the takeaways aren't there yet for the Bears in terms of the grandioso sort of way it was last season. I think there's plenty of teams that probably would be very happy with six through four games just based on how things go. But That being said, I mean, they were on this pace last year where it did not matter. If you got them in third and pass, they were hunting the football. Packers have to avoid that in this one. There is the one area of Allen's defense when you break it down that there is a little bit of a let up there. A very respectable 13th against the run so far this season. Oh, and then, you know, you add in the fact that it's 29th in the league as far as 4.94 yards per carry. you have to be able to get some rushing lanes there. You have to be able to get some production that side. Because if you do get to third downs, if you do get to passing situations, third in the league right now in passing yards allowed, second

8:34Speaker 4:in passing yards per attempt, and still a very respectable ninth in interceptions. This is still a very hungry defense that is going to put pressure on your quarterback and want to steal the football away from you. So that's going to be critical for Green Bay in this one. And we've heard it all week long. We'll see exactly what We saw on Wednesday's practice what that means for game day. We saw Kevin Zeitler now taking reps at right guard. He's getting more familiar. He's getting more comfortable.

9:01Speaker 4:Larry McCarron in our Three Things video took his cap off to Travis Glover. I think that was a big step forward for that young man. But Zeitler's a guy that's a former Pro Bowler, a first-round pick. He's played over 200 games in this league and was still doing it at a high level last year at Tennessee. There's a reason why they brought him in. So I really wonder in this matchup if you're going to see Green Bay really trying to get that going because otherwise... You get the Montez sweats of the world. You get some of these edge rushers going. It's going to be a long afternoon.

9:27Speaker 1:One thing that's really interesting about this Bears defense, and I don't have the statistics numbers in front of me, but I was reading about how last year, and it's carried over to this year in the early part of the season, the Bears defense is a very different unit at home versus on the road. And now this year, the Bears have only played one road game. It was the season opener against Carolina. And we talked about how that game kind of turned into a shootout. And, you know, Bryce Young and the Panthers were able to do a lot, but they weren't able to keep up with Caleb Williams' income.

10:00Speaker 1:and the Bears put up the 50-plus. But the Bears have just had the three home games since then. They've racked up a lot of really, really good defensive statistics, and I've been impressed with what they've done. But is this trend of a little bit of a Jekyll and Hyde Bears defense in terms of whether they're playing at home or whether they're playing on the road, which was one of the storylines last year. Is that going to continue this year?

10:24Speaker 2:We'll find out.

10:25Speaker 1:We know how the issues that the Packers are having on offense and what they've got to clean up. But that's something to watch here because the Bears now are going on the road for the first time since week one.

10:35Speaker 4:Yeah, it's really interesting the way this worked out because from a Green Bay standpoint, we were here at the locker. It was funny. So I made these comments to you about how few times the Packers have been at home so far this season. We were talking to Evan Williams last And Steve McGarvey from the Associated Press brought up to him like, hey, you know, in your last two home games, you guys have really struggled to stop the run. And Evan kind of looked at him just in like a quizzical, confused manner. He's like, last two? And he's like, and then Steve goes, yeah, between Atlanta and Carolina last year.

11:06Speaker 2:Tennessee.

11:06Speaker 3:Tennessee. Tennessee late in the season.

11:08Speaker 2:Tennessee late in the season.

11:09Speaker 3:Right, right.

11:09Speaker 4:And it's just like, wait, hold on a second. Like, wow, it really has been that few games at home. So like, it's been this contrast so far between... team like Chicago who's had a lot of home cooking and Green Bay has been kind of waiting for this opportunity so yeah you definitely don't want to put it to waste and it will be interesting to see exactly what what the Bears look like here when you don't have you know hopefully there's not a huge ton amount of Bears fans at Lambeau Field on Sunday I guess you can always wait and see it is a quick trip up here but we will see if it is a favorable crowd for Green Bay how the Bears react to that and specifically you know Bajan too and the offensive side of things I mean he was fine. He did a nice job last week, but he, he was sort of the game manager in that instance. Whereas a week earlier, you know, Case Keenum was making some pretty big throws, uh, to, uh, to win that football game. So, um, really good scheme though, really smart team and, uh, it'll be fun to watch.

11:58Speaker 1:I think it goes back to what you said right at the top of the show that the, the bears just, they will find different ways to win games. You know, the, we talked about that Monday night game against Philadelphia with Case Keenum taking over a quarterback and, The Eagles got run all over by the Bears' ground game last season in Philadelphia, and Case Keenum came out and was chucking the ball over the yard, and the Eagles didn't really react to that very well. They were kind of shell-shocked. Well, then what do the Bears do against the New York Jets the following week? They just grind it out, ball control.

12:28Speaker 1:We talked about the discrepancy in the time of possession and the offensive snaps and all that from that game, and that's another way that they can win games.

12:36Speaker 2:They nearly.

12:38Speaker 1:nearly won that defensive slugfest with the Minnesota Vikings in the rain in Chicago. Swift had the fumble inside the five-yard line. They had a field goal blocked. That was a game that they almost won in that 10-9, 12-10 type fashion or whatever, but ultimately didn't go their way. But this is a team that has different ways it can win games.

13:01Speaker 4:Yeah, and I kind of messed myself up there earlier. I was talking about the Packers' last two home games, Atlanta and then Baltimore.

13:06Speaker 2:How could you forget about Baltimore?

13:07Speaker 3:You're thinking Derrick Henry. he would love to have them back.

13:17Speaker 2:Yeah, I would think that they probably would. My goodness.

13:20Speaker 3:I just, this shows you where we are. I don't want somebody in the comments.

13:23Speaker 1:A little short on sleep thanks to the baseball playoffs, but we're all good with that too.

13:28Speaker 3:We're good with it.

13:28Speaker 4:I was going to say, somebody in the YouTube comments section is going to be like, what are these guys talking about?

13:33Speaker 2:That's funny.

13:34Speaker 3:But no, I mean, but to.

13:35Speaker 4:The overall point of that, yeah, the Packers have not been home a lot and this is going to be a major one. This is a big one. And I think it was either you or I forget exactly, maybe it was Matt Schneidman that pointed out Packers haven't lost three in a row in the series to the Bears since 2005-06. So, I mean, this is a lot on the line here. In addition to the fact that everybody talks so much about the Ben Johnson, Matt LaFleur thing and, you know, words and all this spoken. No, man. As I wrote in Insider Inbox... Like, if you don't have this game circled, you lost your pen. Like, I mean, this is a major football game. This is what everything is all about. So I can't wait for it. I'm just excited to be back at Lambeau, too. Bum that it's a noon game. Like, I would have actually liked it to still be in a primetime type spot. It would be nice to be here and get home early. Yeah.

14:20Speaker 3:Can you tell I'm geeked for it?

14:21Speaker 2:Like I'm legitimately pumped up for this. You're fired up.

14:23Speaker 3:Program's done now. So now I can actually look forward to the game.

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15:10Speaker 2:Two, two and a half minutes before the commercial break.

15:14Speaker 3:We'll do it live.

15:14Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll do it live. All right, keys to victory, Wes. We have already.

15:20Speaker 1:Mentioned third downs, the statistics there. You brought up the Packers needing to establish the run game. And if there's maybe that little bit of weakness in this Bears defense, it's that average yards per carry on the ground where they rank near the bottom of the league. Anything else that jumps out to you as far as a key to victory for the Packers in this one?

15:39Speaker 4:I think if there's any game this season which Green Bay needs to win time of possession, this is it. It's not going to be easy to do.

15:45Speaker 1:No.

15:45Speaker 4:I mean, you know the way. But that number is reflected in two ways because Ben Johnson wants an explosive play. And you sure bet him going up against the Green Bay Packers, he wants as many of them as possible. But they are fully content with having 10-plus play drives. that eat five, six, seven, or in some cases like we saw this past Sunday, nine minutes off the clock. Green Bay, I thought, did some positive things. They had to sort of manufacture their 16 play drive where it was four fourth down conversions because they didn't get them on third down. But I'll tell you what, man, if Green Bay could come out here and get that one little aspect in their favor, I think there's so many things that branch off of that when it comes to turnovers, takeaways, ball control, protecting the football and ultimately trying to score points in the red zone. The Bears are going to want to take the air out of the ball, but you kind of forget that for many years here in Matt LaFleur's era in Green Bay, the Packers were one of the very best at doing that. Yeah.

16:40Speaker 1:And the Packers absolutely have to play, in my mind, they have to play their cleanest game on offense to be able to win this game. And that's, you know, you have to limit the penalties, you have to stop with the drop passes, you have to be better with the ball security, stop putting the ball on the ground. All those things that quite frankly, have held this offense back. Last week, I think we all felt, leaving Raymond James Stadium, that the Packers should have had 30-plus points on the board in that game. They walked out with only 17 because of all the self-inflicted mistakes. They have to eliminate those and play their cleanest game offensively in order to win.

17:20Speaker 1:The other thing, I'll go back to what we were talking about before with this Chicago ground game, the two-headed monster. you've got to contain this ground game to a certain extent and, quite frankly, put the game in Tyson Bajan's hands. I'm not saying that as an insult to him or anything like that, but we saw that Ben Johnson offense with the Detroit Lions, they had the two-headed monster in the backfield of David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs, and it's Montgomery between the tackles and then it's Gibbs outside. Ben Johnson's ground game, he makes you defend all 53 and a third yards wide of the field on the ground because he will pound it between the tackles and he will also try to stretch you to either sideline. He does that with these two guys as well. The Packers have got to contain that, not let the Bears ground game control the game. I'm not saying they have to hold them to like 50 or 60 yards. That's not going to happen, but you have to contain the ground game to an extent that it's not controlling the game against you. And I think that's what gives the Packers their best chance.

18:22Speaker 4:Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And it kind of goes back to what I was saying about the marathon. Through four quarters, 60 minutes of regulation, Ben Johnson wants to draw you out. He wants to make you huff and puff and be winded and make mistakes in the second half. And that's a lot of times where, whether it was during his time in Detroit, probably even go back to his time in Miami when they were having success. I mean, this is the way that he builds his offense.

18:47Speaker 4:And I also would say, too, I think I'm on the two cam right now with Dylan, but there's a part of this that Packer fans are involved with too. I really truly believe that. You and I have been in part, we were in Minnesota this year, right?

19:01Speaker 2:Yeah.

19:01Speaker 4:You and I were also in New York. And with respect to the Jets, two very different atmospheres, right? The amount that Vikings fans were believing, the amount Vikings fans were behind their team. And not that Packer fans aren't, it's one of the best home venues in the National Football League, but they got to bring it on Sunday. They really need to bring it because I'm going to tell you what, Come Christmas time, whatever these records look like, you go to Soldier Field, those Bears fans, the same ones that are chanting Green Bay, you know what, at random Pearl Jam concerts, they're going to be hyped up.

19:31Speaker 4:This is the Packers' opportunity. This is Packer fans' opportunity to go out there and show what they're about, make the opposing team uncomfortable. So the NFC North, and obviously it's not your traditional December-type football game between these two teams, cold weather, huge playoff implications. But Packer fans have to absolutely appreciate and approach this game like everything in the season, the playoffs, everything is on the line.

19:56Speaker 1:Yeah, I like the way you put that with regard to the opportunity this is. This is the time you get the Chicago Bears at Lambeau Field this year. Yeah, it's early, and it's not like it's a must-win, do-or-die game. But if you win this game and get to 3-2 and start putting some of the things from the first month of the regular season behind you, the arrow starts to point up for the season and you can see where this thing goes. If you lose this opportunity, then you're 2-3, you're looking up at your rivals in the division, and you're still trying to climb out of a hole through the rest of October and into early November to get back into this thing. So yeah, the opportunity is in front of the Packers and it's a big one.

20:36Speaker 1:Elsewhere around the league in Week 5, nothing all that compelling in the NFC North, quite frankly. Minnesota and Detroit are both on the road, so we'll see. Minnesota's at New Orleans. Detroit is at Arizona. Obviously, most eyes of the NFC North are going to be on the Packers and Bears going head-to-head.

20:53Speaker 4:My eyes are on if Jacoby Brissett is going to put up 400 yards against Detroit's secondary.

20:58Speaker 3:I'm not even joking. Yeah.

20:59Speaker 1:Like, I am— There are some serious defensive issues in Detroit.

21:03Speaker 4:And Michael Flohr is ready to air this thing out. I don't know how many games the Cardinals are going to win this year, but they are gunning it. That is the one thing I've taken away from the first month of the season. Jacoby Brissett, this stage of his career, I don't know. I'm not calling him Rich Gannon 2.0, but he's going to have an opportunity to put up some yards this year, I feel like.

21:21Speaker 1:Yeah, and the Saints hosting Minnesota, they've been kind of a tough team to figure out. I think Kellen Moore has that organization going in the right direction. You know, they lose in week one at Detroit when they go for the two point conversion, right? They don't get it. Gutsy move. It didn't work out, but you know, you went on the road and you competed all the way to the final whistle. But you know, then when they're at home on this past Monday night, you know, against the Atlanta Falcons and, and you know, and the game went downhill the wrong way for them. So Saints are a little bit tough to figure out. And now they're hosting an undefeated Minnesota Vikings team on a short week. Um, the saints being on a short week that is with having just played on Monday. Um, some other big games around the league though, San Francisco at Seattle, that's a big one, obviously in the NFC West and in the NFC in general, when you're talking about those two squads, um, I just mentioned the Atlanta Falcons. They are at home against Baltimore, not Tennessee, Baltimore, um, and, uh, and the Falcons, certainly their last two games, the, their road victories at

22:23Speaker 1:green Bay and, um, at New Orleans, looking very, very impressive. And it looks like Baltimore may not have Lamar Jackson. So this is a big opportunity for the Falcons to keep things rolling and maybe establish themselves as a team to beat in the NFC South.

22:41Speaker 4:Which also means that with Lamar Jackson not playing, my fantasy team, the Dallas Clarks, do not have their starting quarterback either.

22:50Speaker 1:And you know, one of the crazy stats, I think, and I don't know the exact number off the top of my head, but Lamar Jackson is something like 28-3 in his career against NFC teams.

23:02Speaker 2:That's wild. That is crazy.

23:05Speaker 1:Now this is an NFC opponent, but we don't know if Lamar Jackson is going to play, and things have not necessarily been trending in that direction. And a big one on Monday Night Football, speaking of AFC versus NFC matchups, the Buffalo Bills at the Los Angeles Rams. Two teams that, I mean, there are a lot of people who think this might be a Super Bowl preview. That's, you know, obviously it's real early to say that in the middle of October. But Monday Night Football is going to be a big-time matchup, too.

23:31Speaker 3:Yeah, it's going to be a huge one.

23:32Speaker 4:And also both of those teams, you know, Bills have some questions to answer. The Rams, for all this hype that they have, they don't want to be sitting at 2-3. I mean, they have plenty of things on the line here for them. So, yeah, that'll be a big one.

23:43Speaker 3:I'll be honest with you.

23:44Speaker 4:I think the one I have my eyes on the most is Philadelphia and Jacksonville because it could get real bad. with the Eagles and that fan base right now and that offense. Cam Juergens gets traded this week. I mean, you never see anything like that. What was that?

23:57Speaker 3:Did I catch that right? Was it a 2029 second-round pick?

24:00Speaker 4:I was trying to see.

24:01Speaker 2:Really? I didn't see the turn.

24:03Speaker 3:It's not next year. I just saw that.

24:04Speaker 2:Juergens got traded. I didn't see what the terms of the trade were.

24:06Speaker 3:Yeah.

24:08Speaker 4:One of the picks, I want to say it's like a fifth-rounder next year, but then it's a second-round pick. It's either 28 or 29. So you don't want to feel like we're getting old. But, I mean, that's a major game for them. And then also, by the way, As we speak, as we shoot the show, the Dallas Cowboys are getting ready to host the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, whom the Packers just played, and the Cowboys will be the Packers' next opponent. So, you know, Dallas will have a little bit of a mini-bye there heading into that game against Green Bay. They're sitting at 2-2. They're trying to make the Tampa Bay Buccaneers season even longer than it's already been. So, yeah, it should be a fun little slate of games. You and I, probably if we want to, we will be able to watch that Bills-Rams game. Oh, and then by the way, last thing you want to talk about another fun game, Falcons and the Ravens. The Falcons look real. They look very real. And it wasn't just Bijan Robinson. It was also Brian Robinson in that game against New Orleans.

25:01Speaker 2:Speaking of two headed monsters in the backfield.

25:03Speaker 3:They have no answer for them right now.

25:05Speaker 4:So yeah.

25:06Speaker 3:Fun, fun, fun.

25:07Speaker 1:Well, you might be watching Buffalo and the Rams on Monday Night Football. I'll be watching game two of the NLCS, the Brewers and the Dodgers.

25:13Speaker 2:So I won't be watching.

25:14Speaker 4:Oh, yeah.

25:15Speaker 3:That is Sunday. Did they give a time for that yet? You have a seven?

25:19Speaker 1:All I know is games one and two are Sunday and Monday. I guess it's possible that game two on Monday for the Brewers could be in the afternoon or a little bit earlier in the day, which then. maybe the Monday night football game then is on the table. So I, I don't mean to speak too soon. I'm just assuming that the networks are going to put the Dodgers as like the primetime game. And, uh, and so it will probably conflict with Monday night.

25:41Speaker 3:I think you'd be proud of me. I actually did stay up and watch all the game on, uh, what is it?

25:46Speaker 2:Wednesday night.

25:47Speaker 4:I will tell you the last, uh, three and a half innings, I was laying in bed with one eye open. We're looking at my iPhone, you know, watching it, but, uh, yeah, it, uh, yeah, it was fun.

25:59Speaker 3:Catch the fever, bro.

26:00Speaker 2:Yeah, why not?

26:01Speaker 1:Why not, right? Well, with that, we'll call it a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team and of Sunday's game. Lambeau Field Packers Bears will have it all for you on Packers.com. For Wes, I'm Mike.

26:14Speaker 2:Thank you for tuning in, everybody. We will see you next time.