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by Sarah & Beth · English · News

Pantsuit Politics is the news and politics podcast for people exhausted by outrage. Hosts Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers tackle the week's biggest political stories from genuinely different perspectives, and prove that civility, nuance, and good-faith disagreement are still possible. New epi

New episodes: Several times a week
Typical length: 1 hr 3 min
Latest: 13 Oct 2026
Language: English

Latest episode

13 Oct 2026 · 59 minNew

A Failed Execution in Tennessee and a Livestream Firing Squad

We did not expect to be discussing the death penalty less than a month before midterm elections, but here we are. Today, Sarah and Beth discuss: Our individual perspectives on the death penalty Tennessee's failed attempt to execute Christa Pike Pete Hegseth's plan to livestream the execution of Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan Outside of politics: seeing leaves last week in New England and Quebec Mentioned in the episode: Still Listening, our free pop-up book club for the midterms Pew Research polling on the death penalty Shirley Jackson's short story "The Lottery" Common Ground Pilgrimages…

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9 Oct 2026 · 1 hr 3 min
Why this Federal Prosecutor Resigned and is Running for Congress in Kentucky
Beth talks with Zach Dembo, the Democratic candidate for Kentucky's 6th Congressional District, running against Republican Ralph Alvarado in one of the closest House races in the country: Zach's path to running: Teach for America, active-duty Navy, policy advisor to Gov. Andy Beshear, and most recently a federal prosecutor Why he resigned from the DOJ, and how that decision affected his marriage (his wife is also a prosecutor) His anti-corruption platform: no stock trading for members of Congress, 12-year term limits, a ban on lobbying, a ban on dark money and corporate PAC contributions Why…
6 Oct 2026 · 1 hr 9 min
Live, Laugh, Love was never just a sign
Sarah and Beth talk with Kristin Kobes Du Mez about her new book Live, Laugh, Love, exploring the history and influence of white Christian women's culture in America: how Live, Laugh, Love traces the roots of white Christian women's culture beyond evangelicalism, including Mormon and positive thinking influences the intertwining of religion, capitalism, and multi-level marketing, and how corporate power shaped Christian subcultures the impact of Christian fiction, media, and influencers from Little House on the Prairie to modern blogs and Instagram the challenges of writing recent history…
1 Oct 2026 · 1 hr 27 min
Cornell and the Culture that Let it Happen
Sarah and Beth discuss the horror described in Jane Doe's complaint, the campus culture at Cornell, and the challenges of addressing sexual assault in college environments. They cover: The reporting and investigation into the Cornell 7 case and the role of student journalism How campus culture, Greek life, and university responses shape outcomes The complexities of Title IX, criminal investigations, and legal standards in sexual assault cases Broader questions about prevention, parenting, and the ongoing struggle to change campus safety Outside of Politics: Sarah and Beth talk about Derek…
29 Sep 2026 · 59 min
Viral stories tell us more than headlines do (+ Taylor Swift's Encore)
Sarah and Beth discuss the viral stories that took over the weekend, and what they reveal about conflict, context, and civic life heading into the midterms: - The New York Times report on Alaska Senate candidate Mary Peltola's treatment of staff - The Boston Globe story on Last Ditch, a COVID-cautious lesbian bar in Greenfield, Massachusetts - The Giants game "mom of the year" couple and iced coffee at job interviews - Taylor Swift's four-song encore to The Life of a Showgirl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
25 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 4 min
What Eight Years as a University President Taught Robbyn Wacker about Values
Beth talks with Dr. Robbyn Wacker, a former university president (most recently at St. Cloud State University) with a background in gerontology, about the book she's writing on leadership and values in higher education. They cover: Robbyn's path from gerontology and legal aid for older adults into higher-ed leadership, and eight years as a university president The current state of higher education: flipped funding models, the enrollment cliff, cuts to research funding and student loans, restrictions on international students, and a growing public skepticism about the value of a degree Why…
22 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 1 min
The AI Conversation, Continued: Kill Switches, Frontier AI, and What to Do About it All
We're picking back up on artificial intelligence — Mustafa Suleyman's warning about conscious AI, the difference between chatbots and frontier models, recursive self-improvement, kill switches, and what policy response should actually look like at every level of government. Outside of Politics: the foods from our childhoods that still hold up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
18 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 1 min
Caitlin Clark, Sydney Sweeney, and the Sports Culture War
Sports, race, gender, religion, cancel culture, and Donald Trump — this week they're all the same conversation. We cover Caitlin Clark's fouls and the House Republicans weighing in, Sophie Cunningham and the trans-athletes-in-sports debate, the Sydney Sweeney ad everyone's arguing about, SF Giants pitchers under DOJ scrutiny for Bible verses on Pride caps, the golf ad that ended a sponsorship, and LIV Golf's bankruptcy. Outside of Politics: which area of law would we actually want to practice? Sports and the culture war, generally Sports' grip on America sparks summer of political warfare –…
15 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 11 min
Nobody Trained AI on a Soul
After a weekend when an Anthropic researcher quit and warned AI could wipe out humanity within a decade, Sarah and Beth take on the questions listeners sent them about artificial intelligence, starting with what is actually being made and what it costs. They argue that the flyers-and-water critique is stuck in 2022 while frontier models and agents race ahead, and they take the Doomer scenarios seriously without buying that the doom is just sales copy. Beth explains why "can't we just unplug it" would mean unplugging the internet; Sarah argues nobody trained these models on a soul, and that's…
11 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 20 min
Bush Wasn't a Bad Man. He Was a Bad President.
Twenty-five years ago today, and Sarah and Beth close out the re-share of their 2018 series on September 11 with the two hardest parts. First, the road from 9/11 to Iraq, from "we will wipe terrorism off the face of the earth" to an occupation that hired loyalists over experts, and a real disagreement between the two of them about whether George W. Bush was a bad man or just a bad president. They end at the 9/11 Memorial & Museum, where each of them chose one life to be grateful for, Kathy Mazza and CeeCee Lyles, and where the museum asks you to look up at the photos in exactly the way…
8 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 57 min
9/11 Wasn't Unimaginable. It Was Unprocessed.
This week marks twenty-five years since the September 11 attacks, and Sarah and Beth are re-sharing the five-part series they made in 2018 to do what they felt the country never quite did: process it. Today's episode holds parts one, two, and three. First, a careful, flight-by-flight walk through the morning of September 11, 2001, with attention to the people who improvised when no plan existed for what was happening, from flight attendants Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney to Rick Rescorla to the passengers of Flight 93. Then they travel back eighty years, to the borders drawn after World War I,…
4 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 12 min
Mailbag: The Lindsay Clancy Trial, Tariffs, and Evangelicalism in Politics
It's a mailbag day, and Sarah and Beth work through everything the Substack Premium community sent in — starting with the Lindsay Clancy jury deadlock and whether the legal system is built to answer a question like this one, then into a new round of tariffs and how this administration keeps finding new legal doors no matter what the Supreme Court says. They spend real time on a listener question about whether the evangelical church can repent from Trumpism, working through what happens when politics and religion try to answer the same question about human freedom on two completely different…
1 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 12 min
Meta's $17 Billion Settlement and Flock Cameras
Meta just settled with 47 states for roughly $17 billion over claims it built a product designed to addict teenagers, and Flock cameras are facing a backlash that runs from Lexington's city council all the way to Capitol Hill. Sarah and Beth connect the two stories: both are about building first and asking permission basically never. They dig into whether this is big tech's big tobacco moment, why the product changes in the settlement should probably apply to adults too, what a national license plate database actually does to civil liberties, and where the two of them land very differently…
28 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 13 min
Make America Unvaccinated Again
Sarah and Beth dig into the new executive order on childhood vaccines and the request for information the Department of Health and Human Services issued on August 24 — what "shared clinical decision making" actually means, why unbundling the MMR shot asks far more of families than this administration has shown any willingness to make possible, and how two measles deaths in Pennsylvania were both foreseeable and foreseen. Sarah talks candidly about the years she kept one of her own children on an alternate vaccine schedule and what it took to come back from it. Then Beth sits down with Beth…
26 Aug 2026 · 46 min
Dolly Parton Was Never Afraid of Change
Sarah opens by calling it what it is — a national day of mourning — and she and Beth spend the hour on the only thing anybody's feed is showing them: Dolly Parton, dead at 80. They trace the fork in the road that turned a prolific Hall of Fame country star into a global icon, from the podcast and the Drunk History episode to the Miley and Taylor of it all and America's unbelievable hunger for a unifying figure. Sarah makes the case that the most under-discussed thing about Dolly Parton is her shrewdness — saying no to Elvis, keeping her publishing, running a hyper-professional business out…
25 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 6 min
Why Everything Feels Unhinged for Women
Sarah opens with a simple question — what's going on with the ladies? — and she and Beth spend the hour discovering that you can't answer it without first describing the sexism everyone is swimming in. They walk through head-of-household voting being discussed openly in respectable rooms, promotions blocked at the Pentagon on the basis of sex and race, and a bipartisan IVF provision for military families killed in committee. Then they turn to Natalie Harp, the aide who follows the president with a printer, and the strange insistence from her defenders that a thirty-five-year-old woman with…
21 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 5 min
Has America's Time Come? The Odyssey, the $40 Trillion Debt, and a New World Order
Beth watched Christopher Nolan's Odyssey this summer and could not stop thinking about it as an extensive metaphor for American politics. We ended up talking about disorientation, the allies we've spit in the eye of, the moment Odysseus blinds the Cyclops he'd already escaped from, and whether America's time has come. Then, Outside of Politics, we're sharing part of our crossover with Knox and Jamie at The Popcast about the odyssey that is podcasting. In-person tickets for our August 29 live show in Minneapolis are sold out, but virtual tickets are still available and are buy one, get one…
18 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 3 min
Was This Summer the Worst?
Sarah and Beth are back together after summer break, and they're starting with the question everyone seems to be asking: was this summer the worst? They work through the cyclospora outbreak and what it means to not trust the salad or the information about the salad, the storms that keep coming, the war narrative that changed every forty-eight hours, and the new polling showing Trump losing ground with his strongest supporters. They dig into what the Michigan Senate primary did to Haley Stevens and what that says about the people who cover politics, why AOC calling Woke 1.0 crazy might be a…
14 Aug 2026 · 45 min
Feeling Powerless in a Red State? Meet the Mulligans
Beth is out this week, but we're sharing a conversation we both had with John and Cindy Mulligan of Owensboro, Kentucky. After years of feeling like all they had were opinions, the Mulligans helped start Yellow Banks PAC, a nonpartisan, small-donor political action committee working at the local level in a deep red corner of the state. They talk about why they chose a PAC, how they brought in lawyers and consultants to build their "shark cage," the billboard that got their community talking, and what it's felt like to trade despair for agency. Then, outside of politics, Sarah shares what…
11 Aug 2026 · 52 min
Democratic Socialists Are Winning. Now What?
Beth is still on vacation, so Sarah drafted a guest co-host she's been married to for 23 years. Sarah and Nicholas run through the headlines — Iran's "low-key" chess game, the cost of absolutely everything, and the Flock cameras multiplying across the country — before digging into the state of the Democratic Party: the DSA's rise, AOC, purity tests, and why Barack Obama is somehow still the party's leader. Then, Outside of Politics, the full report on the Hollands' 3,000-mile RV trip from hell — eight states, four national parks, one brutal adenovirus, and a PSA about the rental company.…
7 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 10 min
My Hometown Is Getting a $100 Billion Data Center
The breaking news in Sarah's hometown is the breaking news everywhere: Paducah, Kentucky is getting a $100 billion data center. Sarah is joined by Lacey Bowling, head of Paducah Cooperative Ministries, to talk about what the anti-data center backlash gets right and wrong — water, power bills, pollution, tax subsidies — and the deeper story: a trust vacuum at every level of government and a growing sense that the wealth isn't for the rest of us. Outside of Politics: their kids are officially high school seniors. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
4 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 19 min
Talking Ourselves Into Gavin Newsom?
Beth is out for two more weeks, so I've got a guest host: Laura Tremaine, my co-host over at Slow Read. We start in California, where Laura has lived for 25 years, and get honest about Gavin Newsom — the trolling, Prop 50, the podcast with Charlie Kirk, and why even the people rolling their eyes at him keep talking themselves into him for 2028. That opens up a bigger question we can't stop circling: what does the Democratic Party actually stand for right now, with no leader and no message? Then we get into that viral Atlantic piece, "The End of Reading Is Here." We talk about slow reading as…
31 Jul 2026 · 37 min
Trust But Verify: Teen Driving with Dr. Charlie Klauer
Teen driving is the leading cause of death among adolescents — and most of us are completely winging it when we hand over the keys. Dr. Charlie Klauer is a Research Scientist and Associate Professor of Industrial and Systems Engineering at Virginia Tech. She's spent fifteen years doing naturalistic driving research: cameras and sensors in teenagers' cars, watching what they actually do. We took notes and hope you'll find her learnings helpful, too. Topics discussed:Why teen driving is more dangerous than most parents realizeHow to structure the learner's permit period for maximum…
28 Jul 2026 · 52 min
Inside the Organ Donation System with NYT's Brian Rosenthal
It's easy to check the organ donor box on your driver's license without thinking too much about how organs are treated and routed to people who need them. NYT investigative reporter Brian Rosenthal thoroughly examined the system. His complicated findings have led to congressional inquiry and meaningful progress. This is a conversation about where the system fell short, what his reporting changed, and what still needs work.Topics discussed:How the organ transplant system actually works (it's not really a list)Why doctors can refuse organs offered to their patients — and patients are never…
S11 · E58 · 24 Jul 2026 · 28 min
What Kids Actually Need When the News is Scary
Kids who are anxious about the news might not need to hear less — they might need to know more. Tracy Kaplan, creator of The 10 News (a podcast for kids and families ages 8-12), has spent six years helping kids make sense of everything from the Russia-Ukraine war to gun violence to banned books. What she's learned about talking to kids about hard news is useful for parents too.Topics discussed:Why kids' anxiety about the news is often rooted in a knowledge gap, not the news itselfHow The 10 News covers scary topics like school shootings — and why vagueness can be worse than directnessWhat…
21 Jul 2026 · 40 min
Vinok Libraries: Bringing Books to Ukraine's Children
One of the hardest parts of paying attention to international news is wondering: what can I, one person, do about this? Today's guest, Gwyn Ridenhour, asked herself that question and answered in an extraordinary way. She moved to Lviv, Ukraine, to put books in the hands of children living through the war. Her project, Vinok Libraries, is small and specific and a quiet wonder. Today, she tells us about the work she's doing and how we can help. Topics discussed:What drew Gwyn to Ukraine — and why she moved there during the warHow Vinok Libraries works: sourcing books, shipping them to Ukraine,…
17 Jul 2026 · 57 min
Building Cities (and Lives) Kids Can Actually Move Through
While Sarah's on summer break, Beth talks with writer and urban planner Angie Schmitt about giving yourself permission to feel lighter about the news this summer, then digs into what's gone wrong with how American cities and neighborhoods are built for kids — from car-dependent suburbs to vanishing teen hangouts. Topics discussed: Taking an emotional break from the news without checking out entirely ICE shootings, cabinet confirmation hearings, and the Iran war Why car-dependent neighborhoods limit kids' independence The nationwide school bus driver shortage Disappearing teen hangouts and…
S11 · E55 · 14 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 12 min
Graham Platner's Collapse, the Progressive Movement, and AI's Accountability Gap
Beth is joined by guest host Alex McCoy, a progressive organizer focused on holding Big Tech accountable, for a conversation about what breaks trust and how to rebuild it. They start with what the collapse of the Graham Platner campaign reveals about the progressive movement's relationship with imperfect candidates, then turn to the accountability vacuum around AI — who's making decisions about our jobs, our data, and our lives, and why almost nobody is calling their member of Congress about it. Topics discussed: Graham Platner's Senate campaign collapse and what it means for progressive…
S11 · E54 · 10 Jul 2026 · 55 min
What Elected Officials Owe Us with Lauren Pinkston
Beth sits down with Lauren Pinkston, an independent candidate for governor of Tennessee, on the same day Governor Beshear sent Senator Mitch McConnell a letter asking about his month-long hospitalization. They use that story, plus Graham Platner's exit from the Maine Senate race, to get at something bigger: what "honor" means in public life when authenticity and elitism both fall short. Then they turn to what that looks like in practice — data centers, classrooms, and a possible return of family dinners to the governor's residence. Topics discussed: Transparency and elected officials'…
7 Jul 2026 · 50 min
What Food Can Teach Us About Power, Land, and Belonging
Sarah's on summer break this week, so Beth sits down with chef, culinary historian, and seventh-grade history teacher Mica Chavez to trace how food actually built the world we live in — from the Columbian Exchange and the science behind corn, to slavery, immigration, and the industrial food system we're stuck with today. Topics discussed: The Columbian Exchange: how corn, chili, potatoes, and tomatoes reshaped diets on both sides of the Atlantic The science of nixtamalization — why New World corn didn't wreck teeth the way Old World wheat did How chili peppers spread across the globe via…

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Publisher: Sarah & Beth
Language: English
Category: News
New episodes: Several times a week
Typical length: 1 hr 3 min
Latest episode: 13 Oct 2026
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