Oops All Chatter! Part 2

0:10Speaker 1:Welcome to Pod Meets World.

0:11Speaker 2:I'm Danielle Fischel. I'm Ryder Strong. And I'm Will Friedle.

0:15Speaker 3:We are here for our ever-rotating list of episodes that we do.

0:20Speaker 4:We are here for our all-show chatter episode.

0:22Speaker 5:Oops, all berries, baby.

0:24Speaker 4:Yeah.

0:26Speaker 3:It's the episode where we get to really showcase our 30-year friendship's ability to just enjoy each other's company and endlessly talk about utter nonsense.

0:36Speaker 2:Utter nonsense, yes.

0:39Speaker 4:Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Fishel.

0:40Speaker 1:I'm Ryder Strom.

0:41Speaker 2:And I'm Will Friedle.

0:43Speaker 4:I have a, I've.

0:44Speaker 3:Entered a new era of parenting that Ryder will be able to help me with.

0:51Speaker 4:Adler, for the first time ever.

0:55Speaker 2:Started smoking.

0:57Speaker 3:He is seven. He's seven.

0:58Speaker 5:But only a year.

1:00Speaker 6:He's getting close.

1:04Speaker 4:No, he said the F word. Absolutely.

1:09Speaker 7:He's seven?

1:10Speaker 4:He's seven. He said it as if he's been saying it.

1:15Speaker 2:His whole life.

1:16Speaker 5:I think that's when Indy started saying it. Yeah, I think seven was about it.

1:19Speaker 2:How did you respond?

1:21Speaker 3:Well, first of all, it was a little embarrassing because it wasn't just with us. We were with other people, including another young.

1:30Speaker 4:Person, a child.

1:32Speaker 5:Was it by itself? Like, oh.

1:34Speaker 4:Oh, F, when he made a mistake.

1:36Speaker 2:Yeah.

1:37Speaker 3:And we don't even say it.

1:42Speaker 4:He's never heard us say it.

1:44Speaker 3:I will say it in moments where I think it's going to get a good laugh or if I'm really upset about something. But in front of our kids, we do not do it. We've never said it. He's never heard us say it.

1:56Speaker 5:I swear so much.

1:56Speaker 2:Yeah, you're like a sailor.

1:57Speaker 7:Yeah.

1:58Speaker 5:And so it was like Indy just took it up like a pro.

2:02Speaker 2:I love it. I love it.

2:03Speaker 5:He's so good at it. He's so good at swearing.

2:05Speaker 2:It's great.

2:07Speaker 1:No, I mean, like, yeah, I don't know how you dealt with it. But, like, our whole thing is, like, when we started reacting, when people started reacting, it only got worse. Right. So then it was just like, yeah, you can do this as much as you want around us because we don't care. We're not going to police your language. But, you know, you can't do it in front of other adults. You can't do it in front of other kids.

2:26Speaker 2:We were raised way differently. We got soap in the mouth. We got a bar of soap. That's ridiculous.

2:32Speaker 4:How many bars of soap did you get?

2:33Speaker 2:I was never a swearer.

2:34Speaker 6:My brother, Greg, would have ivory soap in his mouth once a week at least. Oh, yeah, yeah.

2:39Speaker 2:No, swearing was not tolerable.

2:40Speaker 3:But did you ever get soap in the mouth? Not necessarily even for swearing. Did you get soap in the mouth?

2:44Speaker 4:Because I had it once. I don't recall.

2:45Speaker 1:Maybe once.

2:46Speaker 2:But yeah, we were never like. Actively discouraged from swearing.

2:50Speaker 1:Why not just electric shock? Why not just, like, zap your child?

2:54Speaker 6:There's slightly a difference between electric shocking and giving someone soap in the mouth.

2:57Speaker 1:It doesn't work, is what I'm saying. Like, does it work?

3:00Speaker 5:I didn't swear around.

3:01Speaker 2:My parents anymore, I can tell you that.

3:03Speaker 1:But Greg swore every week.

3:05Speaker 2:Right, but Greg also did it because Greg was a little asshole. And he's the first one to tell you that.

3:10Speaker 4:Get me the bar of soap, I need some ivory.

3:12Speaker 1:Can we get some soap for Will's mouth?

3:14Speaker 4:I need some ivory.

3:14Speaker 2:Sponsored by ivory. Um, yeah, no, it was that. So that's, we had the soap in the mouth. Yeah, absolutely. Hell yes. How did you now, how you didn't say, how did you respond?

3:22Speaker 3:So Jensen and I were both there and we, Adler was to my right. Jensen was to my left and he went, Oh F. And we went, Oh, and Jensen and I looked at each other. And then I looked at the other people I was with. And I said, he's never said that. And they were like, and I was like, yeah. And then you could tell Adler was like, he had that nervous energy around him. Like this is the first time I've ever, I've ever done that.

3:55Speaker 4:And, and he could tell. And I just said, Oh wow. I've never heard you say that before. And he was like, Oh yeah.

4:02Speaker 3:He's like, mom, look, I had, cause we were doing something with shaving cream. We had shaving cream all over his hands.

4:05Speaker 4:I was like, why don't you go rinse that off? And he was like, okay.

4:08Speaker 3:He went into the kitchen, kitchen, rinsed off his hands and then came back, but didn't go back to participating with us.

4:13Speaker 4:Just kind of like, Am I in trouble?

4:14Speaker 6:Am I in trouble?

4:30Speaker 3:Was already like, oh man, I really just screwed up. So I immediately knew he was beating himself up and I didn't need to go hard on him. And so then when we left and he got immediately very close to me and he put his head into my stomach and.

4:43Speaker 4:He was like, are you mad at me?

4:45Speaker 3:And I said, I'm not mad at you, but I'm just I'm I'm a little confused. I'm a little confused because I don't know. I don't know where you heard that. So I'm just like, where, you know, where did you hear it? And he was like, I don't want to talk about it. And I said, OK, I say we don't have to talk about it right now. I said, but at some point I do want to just kind of have a general idea of because your dad and I don't.

5:05Speaker 4:Talk like that.

5:07Speaker 3:And so I'm just kind of curious, like we also don't really let him watch things where they talk like that from Indy.

5:15Speaker 2:And he showed up at the school one day and went, hey, what the fuck is up, bro? And that was it.

5:19Speaker 3:And so then Adler, when we got home, he ended up saying, okay, I'm ready to talk about it now.

5:25Speaker 4:And he said, yeah. He said, I learned it at school.

5:27Speaker 3:He plays soccer every lunch with the fifth graders.

5:31Speaker 4:And, you know, they're running around and kicking balls. And yeah, fifth graders are really kicking each other. Well, my kids do that. My kids are doing that in the house.

5:40Speaker 3:But the fifth graders, I'm sure, are running around and saying.

5:43Speaker 6:Oh, we're always swearing at that. I mean, by that age, seven, eight years old. I mean, we were swearing and running around and saying stuff we shouldn't have said and learning about sex.

5:51Speaker 2:And, you know, you're talking about your with your friends for all that.

5:53Speaker 5:You shouldn't have. I'd say like that.

5:56Speaker 1:Like if you police it too much, that just becomes it becomes more powerful.

5:59Speaker 5:You know, like.

6:00Speaker 6:Yeah. I guess it's also a generational thing. When we were kids, we were just, you were told not to swear.

6:04Speaker 2:I mean, it was, you.

6:05Speaker 6:Didn't have the idea of like, you didn't go to a house and like, I don't think I'd had one single one of my friends in the late seventies, early eighties that were like, yeah, my parents let me swear at home. Like it was just, it was bad language. You just didn't, you didn't swear.

6:18Speaker 1:You also didn't have any parents who you didn't call any of your parents by their first name and your friend's parents.

6:24Speaker 2:Like I, I, that's an East coast, West coast thing.

6:26Speaker 1:Yeah. I also grew up in an era where I had friends who would call their parents by their first name.

6:31Speaker 2:Oh, hell no.

6:32Speaker 1:That became like a moment where people would be like, you know, Chris, I did it.

6:36Speaker 2:Yeah. No, that's your mom. Yeah. No, it was always Mr. Mrs. or doctor or attorney or whatever. That's how we were. Yeah.

6:42Speaker 1:It was.

6:43Speaker 2:And that was everybody. That wasn't like a thing with my parents. That was everybody. It was like you called it Mr. and Mrs. You were very polite.

6:50Speaker 6:Because again, one of the things you talk about with this generation that they'll never have to do, if you call one of your friends now, your friend answers the phone.

6:57Speaker 4:I know. They'll never have to say.

6:58Speaker 2:You first have to talk to the parents.

7:00Speaker 1:Hi, is Mike there? That friction is so important. Because it's like how you bond together as a group. Families know who your friends are. You're a friend's family. I miss that.

7:12Speaker 6:Susan and I have been talking a lot lately about getting a house phony. Like we miss like a house phone.

7:17Speaker 3:I know, I actually, yes, I love that idea. They make, you know, for kids, like tin can phones.

7:22Speaker 4:Yeah, we have one for kids.

7:23Speaker 5:Do you? Yeah, he can call his grandparents, he can call his friends.

7:25Speaker 2:That's awesome.

7:27Speaker 1:He doesn't use it that much. Like, I mean, it's not going to be the same.

7:30Speaker 2:Does he have a cell?

7:32Speaker 6:No.

7:32Speaker 2:Not great.

7:33Speaker 1:No, like, I mean, we're at the age now, so he's 11. Everybody has Apple Watches. They all got Apple Watches as the gateway drug to the phone. And now at 11, everybody's starting, not everybody, but his friends are starting to get phones.

7:50Speaker 2:Because they're in middle school.

7:52Speaker 1:And we are, I'm holding to the line. I'm holding to 16.

7:56Speaker 4:That's what I said too.

7:58Speaker 1:I know I'm gonna cave, but I'm fighting as much as I can.

8:02Speaker 4:I mean, I think if you cave, cave at 15.

8:04Speaker 5:Whatever.

8:04Speaker 1:I'm holding a slot. You know, I'm going to cave until like my wife threatens to leave me basically. Like I'm sort of like, you know, basically until he's driving, I don't.

8:12Speaker 5:Want him to have a phone.

8:13Speaker 4:That's exactly what I told him.

8:15Speaker 5:Literally on his own somewhere.

8:16Speaker 2:You know, I think he'll want to drive.

8:19Speaker 6:I hear this whole generation is like 18, 19 goes by, and then they're like, because they have Uber, they have everything else.

8:23Speaker 2:Is it coming back now where they're driving again?

8:25Speaker 5:I think people want to drive again.

8:27Speaker 2:I don't know.

8:27Speaker 1:That's been my experience. Most of my friends with kids in high school, they're like, can't wait to drive.

8:31Speaker 2:It was such a rite of passage.

8:33Speaker 4:I mean, yeah.

8:34Speaker 3:The day of my 16th birthday, I got my license. I think, I mean, Adler's been talking about when he gets to drive and what he wants to drive since he was little.

8:43Speaker 4:Like, he can't wait.

8:44Speaker 2:He seems like a muscle car.

8:45Speaker 4:He actually, we went to San.

8:46Speaker 3:Francisco to go visit my cousin and they let us borrow their Toyota 4Runner.

8:52Speaker 6:And you know, your girl had a Toyota 4Runner.

8:56Speaker 4:And Adler was like, you did? You had one of these? And I was like, yes. And it was so cool.

9:01Speaker 2:Did you tell him you crashed it?

9:02Speaker 6:Yeah.

9:03Speaker 3:I was like, he's like, I want one of these. And I was like, yeah, you do.

9:06Speaker 1:I still have one.

9:07Speaker 4:I know.

9:08Speaker 2:They're great.

9:09Speaker 1:I love it so much.

9:09Speaker 2:Yeah, they're great. Okay.

9:11Speaker 4:Yeah.

9:11Speaker 6:Good.

9:12Speaker 2:I'm glad that kids are driving again. Like, drive. It was so.

9:15Speaker 1:I mean, just in time for, you know, automated driving.

9:18Speaker 6:Yeah, right.

9:19Speaker 1:You actually have to.

9:20Speaker 2:That scares the hell out of me.

9:21Speaker 1:It's so much safer.

9:22Speaker 2:I know. Like, that's the thing.

9:23Speaker 5:It's like, I don't mind.

9:24Speaker 1:The idea of him driving versus him using... Like, if he can get a car that will drive for him, I'd rather he do.

9:30Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

9:30Speaker 5:I'm like, fine.

9:31Speaker 3:I know.

9:31Speaker 1:It is so weird.

9:32Speaker 4:Gotta learn how to shift. I don't know how to shift.

9:36Speaker 1:You don't know how to shift?

9:38Speaker 4:No, I don't know how to drive a manual.

9:39Speaker 2:Really?

9:40Speaker 6:No.

9:41Speaker 1:But I always was like, no, Indy's gonna learn how to drive. But they actually literally don't make.

9:45Speaker 5:Those cars anymore.

9:46Speaker 2:You have to specifically ask for one.

9:47Speaker 5:I know.

9:48Speaker 1:But like, but I mean, I just like the idea that you can drive anything, right? Like the idea that you could, if you need to, in an emergency or in some situation, drive whatever. But I guess, you know, if it's never come up for you, maybe it's not a thing.

9:59Speaker 6:Well, you mean when ai takes over the world and all the self-driving cars tried to kill you that's when you jump into a manual again thank you very much yeah yeah.

10:07Speaker 3:Yeah you've got you're sitting in your Oh, no, you got rid of your, is the Celica you still have?

10:12Speaker 2:Oh, I still have my Celica. It's a stick shift, heck yeah.

10:14Speaker 1:I just noticed I have a neighbor on the street behind me has a bunch of cars.

10:20Speaker 5:It's one of the houses with a bunch of rotting cars.

10:23Speaker 1:I think there are two Celicas. I'll check. But I was like walking by, you know, I was like listening. So I didn't really like.

10:30Speaker 4:Can you ask? I want to buy one.

10:31Speaker 1:Would you really?

10:32Speaker 4:I really would.

10:33Speaker 1:They're like two. And I was like, I think this is the same. They're both red. I think they're the same.

10:37Speaker 2:Color as yours.

10:37Speaker 4:Is one of them a convertible?

10:39Speaker 1:I don't know.

10:40Speaker 2:I was just like, I think those are Celicas.

10:42Speaker 5:I should check. I should definitely check.

10:43Speaker 6:The engine's been rebuilt twice. There's like 3,500 miles on the new engine.

10:47Speaker 4:Is it at your parents' house?

10:49Speaker 2:It's back in Connecticut. It's stored back in Connecticut. I just have no place to put it here. I literally have no place to keep it.

10:54Speaker 6:If I had a place to keep it, I would have three other cars if I had a place to keep it out here.

10:58Speaker 2:I just don't have a place to keep anything.

10:59Speaker 4:Well, I'd like to buy it from you.

11:01Speaker 2:No.

11:02Speaker 4:Okay, turn it.

11:02Speaker 2:It's my first. Never.

11:04Speaker 4:Never? Even though it's just with me?

11:06Speaker 2:It's gorgeous.

11:06Speaker 4:I know.

11:07Speaker 1:So your response to Adler is going to be, you just can't say this.

11:12Speaker 4:No, no.

11:12Speaker 3:It wasn't that I said, you just can't say this. I did tell him that, you know, it is, we, we were, we had just mentioned that somebody else, something that we thought that they.

11:22Speaker 4:Had done, that it was tacky. And he was like, what's tacky?

11:26Speaker 3:And so I had just explained to him what my definition of the word tacky was. And I said, there are some people who will be bothered by you saying that word.

11:36Speaker 1:Right.

11:37Speaker 3:And so it is, Tacky to think that just because whatever you think, whatever you feel and whatever you want to do at any point in time is totally fine, no matter.

11:48Speaker 4:What the circumstances are.

11:49Speaker 3:That is tacky to not think about other people in situations.

11:54Speaker 4:I find it tacky.

11:56Speaker 3:To play or have a speakerphone conversation on a plane. And we were on a plane where someone in front of us was yelling at someone they work with going through a contract. 15 minutes of us on the runway of them yelling at someone on the phone. And I wanted to be, I was like, this is tacky. And so that was kind of the perfect situation where I was like, We, it is not that the word is so bad or that you are bad for saying it or any of that, but there are, there is a time and a place for everything.

12:27Speaker 1:Right.

12:28Speaker 3:And you were in a situation with people you had just met and one of them was another kid and you had no reason to think that it was an acceptable place to blurt that word.

12:38Speaker 5:Right.

12:39Speaker 3:And so that, that was the conversation for me is that, you know.

12:44Speaker 6:Yeah.

12:44Speaker 3:Recognizing other people have different thoughts and feelings and you have to take those into consideration as part of being a good member of society.

12:51Speaker 5:And I think that like kids are really adept at code switching.

12:54Speaker 2:Yeah.

12:55Speaker 5:Pretty quickly. You know, like I would say by like nine.

12:57Speaker 2:Right.

12:58Speaker 5:Like they kind of figure it out.

13:00Speaker 1:They know because they know they don't talk to their grandparents the same way they talk to their parents.

13:04Speaker 5:They don't talk to the teachers.

13:05Speaker 2:Yeah.

13:05Speaker 1:But like seven is like when.

13:07Speaker 5:Those barriers first start. be informed and understood and, like, how to switch.

13:11Speaker 1:So I feel like Indy went through a phase where he was, like, really interested in swearing.

13:15Speaker 6:Yeah.

13:15Speaker 5:And we just kind of, like, let it peter out.

13:17Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like juggling. Yeah. Comes and goes.

13:20Speaker 1:It's true.

13:22Speaker 2:Everybody goes through a juggling phase.

13:24Speaker 6:Come on.

13:24Speaker 2:You wake up one morning, you got those sticks next to you.

13:27Speaker 5:Shiloh got really good at juggling because he was always on set.

13:29Speaker 1:See, on his set, because he was kind of the only teenager on his set, because he was on The Mommies while we were doing Boy Meets World. So he did two seasons of that show on NBC, and he was 16, I want to say, and all.

13:43Speaker 5:The other kids were like 10 or under. So he was by himself. He was out of school already, so... Yeah, that's when he learned.

13:48Speaker 1:How to juggle.

13:49Speaker 2:Talk about a gateway jug. That's what I mean. It leads to the unicycling. Next thing you know, you're walking against the wind.

13:55Speaker 1:And you're a full theater kid. Yeah, exactly.

13:56Speaker 5:You're a full theater kid.

13:57Speaker 2:And you're doing mime. You're whiting up in the morning.

13:59Speaker 1:Maybe you're becoming a magician like Adam. That's what I said.

14:03Speaker 5:It's magic. God, it's crazy.

14:06Speaker 4:Ryder, what are these things in front of you?

14:08Speaker 5:Okay, I will tell you.

14:09Speaker 1:I went into a bookstore the other day, and they had an entire wall of zines. which completely reignited my passion for zines, which I have, like every six months or so, I like stopping because there's one in my neighborhood, a bookstore in my neighborhood.

14:27Speaker 2:Is this just a hip way of saying magazine and you're cutting out the first part?

14:30Speaker 1:I cannot believe it because I brought this up over email and you guys, neither of you know what a zine is.

14:34Speaker 2:I have no idea what a zine is.

14:36Speaker 4:I also thought it's hip for magazine.

14:39Speaker 1:Which basically it is. That's kind of what it is.

14:41Speaker 2:I call them mags.

14:42Speaker 1:But I, for some reason, I thought this was a total 90s thing. Turns out it goes.

14:47Speaker 5:way back, like, 20s, 30s, but really, like, exploded in the 60s and 70s.

14:52Speaker 2:Are they like a pulp comic?

14:53Speaker 1:So, they can be. Basically, they're just a self-published magazine. The idea is that you just put together your own magazine. Mostly with, like, photocopying and, like, photos, sometimes color, sometimes black and white, but they have this like sort of underground cult status because the idea is that, you know, it's just self publishing. You can write whatever you want. Um, and maybe only make like a hundred copies, maybe like, thousand copies if you're really ambitious.

15:20Speaker 6:So is Common Sense by Thomas Paine considered a zine from back in the day?

15:23Speaker 2:Totally, exactly.

15:24Speaker 1:There you go.

15:25Speaker 2:Or Nature, Emerson's first. Yeah, okay.

15:27Speaker 1:So yeah, basically, like the idea is that you just, so like what I wanted to do in the 90s, like I remember I went through an intense zine phase where I was going to start my own zine. And I wanted kind of... I forget what it was called.

15:40Speaker 2:Of course you were.

15:41Speaker 1:I forget what I was going to call it.

15:43Speaker 2:I could never find.

15:44Speaker 1:Anybody else to do it. If I had found somebody else who was into this with me, but I think the idea was that I was going to leave it on buses and like in public transportation. My idea was to self-distribute by just leaving, yeah, to leaving like poetry on like, but I didn't want it to just be my own writing, which kind of made it more like I wanted to like compile other people's stuff.

16:05Speaker 5:I don't know.

16:06Speaker 1:Most zines are just like one person or like one person and an artist if there's artwork.

16:12Speaker 5:So I brought a selection.

16:13Speaker 1:There are so many.

16:14Speaker 2:Yeah.

16:15Speaker 1:So take a look.

16:16Speaker 2:Pick a card. Pick a zine.

16:18Speaker 4:Any zine.

16:18Speaker 1:Take a look. Sometimes.

16:19Speaker 2:He's making you pick which one he wants.

16:21Speaker 4:Where can I sing?

16:21Speaker 1:Well, I want to talk about like a lot of times there's like they can be very political. So there's like manifesto ones. Like there's one in there that's all like. an ai screed and it's just i must die yeah i haven't read that one but i wanted to grab one that was like you yeah so that one will be like probably like there's a manifesto style right it's like an essay style which is more like you know common sense then there's stuff like this which i love like simple and cheap recipes for puppet making oh and it'll be like hand-drawn handwritten like how to do paper mache and how to do puppeteering and it's like some really good Like actual good advice.

16:57Speaker 4:Yeah.

16:57Speaker 1:Then there's ones like this. I read this one last night. It's beautiful.

17:01Speaker 5:Memories of Fat Camp.

17:02Speaker 2:Ooh.

17:03Speaker 1:So it's like a memoir. So like, this is a writer and she, uh, Molly Rosen Mariner. And she, um, she's, it's just her memoir about how her parents sent her to a weight loss camp when she was a teenager in the nineties. And so she's, but then she also like interviews her parents about it, interviews.

17:19Speaker 5:Her sister about it.

17:20Speaker 1:And it's like, I guess what's so cool about a zine is that there's absolute freedom. Uh, well, there's a couple of things that are cool about it. First of all, buying something like this, when you, you know, you get it for like at a bookstore, it, it almost feels like getting a letter used to feel or like ordering something in the mail and get, cause it's, it's like, it's a missive from a person directly to you. It's like they printed this out, obviously didn't spend a ton of money, but put some effort into the creativity. And so when you get it, it feels like handmade. It feels like hand delivered.

17:50Speaker 5:In a way.

17:51Speaker 1:Um, and so like something like this, where it's like this very personal story, like I, like, I feel very connected to this person. I feel like they sent this out of the world without knowing where it was going to land. That's another part of it that I like is like, you're sort of just like, Hey, I'm going to put this out. Um, if it's a, you know, a lot, there are a lot of comics. Like the one you're holding is a beautiful comic that I haven't read. Um, but you know, it's like this idea that there's no sort of barrier to entry. There's no gatekeeping. It's just like, Hey, I want to say this thing into the world. The comic that you have right in front of you, um, is called where can I sing? Um, It is so interesting because it's like, it's not really a story. It's really just about this person who wanted to sing and all their experience dealing with roommates and not being able to find a place to sing. So there's this whimsical quality to it where it's like, it doesn't have to be a perfect story. Like, if a published comic, you probably have editors telling you it should have a beginning,

18:49Speaker 1:a middle, and an end. Whereas zines are just kind of like, what do you want to put out into the world? So I kind of love the random nature of it. Sometimes I don't get them. Like there's a lot of visual ones that I don't get. Cause I'm not a visual person. So there's a lot of like, collagey or photography ones that are just like people in my neighborhood and the way they dress. And I'm a little like, I don't get it. Other times there's just like a vibe, you know, like I picked up one.

19:13Speaker 1:I actually didn't bring it, but it was just like Halloween costumes like that they had worn.

19:17Speaker 5:As a kid, you know?

19:19Speaker 1:And it was like, just a cool to like go through their like eighties photos and nineties photos of them as a kid, like in Halloween costumes.

19:25Speaker 6:I can tell you the one I have is the, it should be called the not Danielle official zine.

19:29Speaker 7:Why?

19:30Speaker 2:Cause it says welcome.

19:31Speaker 6:This zine is a collection of ideas we like to talk about when we talk about experimental design and interactive theater and fun parties.

19:38Speaker 5:Yes.

19:40Speaker 6:Oh, that is so, then there was a, there's a little thing back here where it's, it says, um, it's, it's perfect. It says, give a man a fish. He'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish. He'll eat for a lifetime. Pretend you're both fish. That showbiz baby. So there you go.

19:57Speaker 2:This is the not Danielle fit.

19:58Speaker 6:It's like they talk about having a hat party where you just, everybody brings multiple hats.

20:03Speaker 3:And yet they named it infinite right answers, which immediately drew me because I was like, I also have infinite.

20:10Speaker 4:I have them.

20:10Speaker 3:I have, I could write a zine about infinite right answers.

20:13Speaker 1:What I love is that they, they get to set their own terms. So you pick these things up and like when you, when you're at a bookstore that carries them and if you have a local bookstore that carries them, like go, go, go.

20:24Speaker 5:It's so fun.

20:25Speaker 1:Um, it's just the random name. It's like why, you know, like you can awesome often read them in one sitting. I like to buy them just to support, you know, because a lot of times the bookstores carry them on commission. Like in other words, they're not like, buying them you know they're like getting the money directly back to the person for every copy that they sell um i've seen ones that are just like movies that i like from the video store and it'll be like a list you know i don't know they just get to set their own terms so you kind of have no idea what you're getting so i like to like pick one up kind of check it out and then just buy it and then take it home and.

20:57Speaker 4:Then flip through it is this the real price of a zine.

21:00Speaker 5:Yeah how much is it like nine bucks ten bucks well.

21:04Speaker 3:When i tell you that it's going to make hearing his complaint about that's how they get you a quarter popcorn. I, this.

21:11Speaker 4:Is $ 11. This is $ 13. Yeah. For art.

21:16Speaker 1:It's going directly to the person.

21:18Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.

21:19Speaker 1:A book costs 20, 30 bucks.

21:21Speaker 2:But unlike these, like you said, you like that there's no beginning, middle of an end. And that's, beginning, middle, and end.

21:27Speaker 3:There's also, like you said, they barely spent any money to put this together. A book is $ 20, and it's got a.

21:32Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's just paying for the content.

21:35Speaker 2:Are there cliff notes for these?

21:37Speaker 3:Yeah, I was thinking, just we're having an honest conversation here.

21:43Speaker 4:I was thinking this would maybe.

21:44Speaker 3:Be $ 3 or $ 4, and that I would go in, and I could see picking... three or four or five, three or $ 4 zines to support and then leaving.

21:58Speaker 2:You've got like $ 60 worth of stuff here.

21:59Speaker 5:Totally.

22:00Speaker 1:Wow.

22:02Speaker 4:Okay.

22:04Speaker 1:That is worth paying for.

22:05Speaker 5:Oh my God.

22:07Speaker 2:We have very different ideas.

22:09Speaker 1:Yes, we do. Definitely.

22:10Speaker 2:We do.

22:11Speaker 1:We have very different ideas. It's not money going towards publicity. It's not money going towards marketing. It's not money going towards printing.

22:17Speaker 2:It's not money.

22:17Speaker 5:It's going directly to the.

22:19Speaker 1:author or you know what else that to.

22:22Speaker 5:Me is always worth it why don't you just.

22:24Speaker 4:Stop people on the street and give them money all the time.

22:27Speaker 1:Like just they're not doing anything oh this is they're doing something okay you're you're.

22:33Speaker 5:Dismissive of art you're dismissive of writing.

22:35Speaker 1:I am yes you'd rather buy a diamond or a pair of shoes that is made.

22:39Speaker 6:By a corporation i like some gatekeeping I agree.

22:44Speaker 2:Yeah.

22:45Speaker 5:I agree.

22:46Speaker 1:I don't think it should all be, but I think, but that's the problem with the internet, right? There is literally no, yeah, I agree.

22:51Speaker 6:Yeah.

22:51Speaker 1:Like, whereas this is like, this takes care and effort to like, actually want to like print this out. And you're obviously reaching a targeted audience. If you're aiming for your local bookstore or you're distributing it on your own, you know, it's like, you're not just like the internet is just, I'm going to publish whatever I want, which, and we've seen what culturally that kind of just becomes, uh, a mess.

23:12Speaker 5:It's like, it's so hard.

23:13Speaker 1:So I, I appreciate a lot of gatekeeping actually, but I think that this is kind of its own gatekeeping just by virtue of like making your own thing, putting it out there. How do you get this to, you know, the people that are interested, obviously the only people that are interested are people like me, not you guys.

23:28Speaker 3:So I'm wondering, cause you know, talking about like a Tumblr account, somebody could have a Tumblr, like a Tumblr account or a blog spot.

23:35Speaker 4:And have a collection of.

23:39Speaker 3:Zines on the internet, and it can be anything they want to write about at any point in time.

23:44Speaker 2:Those are called snorps.

23:45Speaker 5:Substack is the most recent.

23:49Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:49Speaker 5:You like that.

23:50Speaker 4:Yes, there you go.

23:52Speaker 3:I subscribe to several people's substacks, yours included. Thank you. So this is worth more to you, $ 13 a zine, because they had to spend the time printing it out.

24:09Speaker 2:This one's 16.

24:14Speaker 1:I think there's something to physical media, right? Like I think the idea is the level of connectivity, the level of like, yeah, I think that extra effort, right? Because even your examples of like Tumblr or whatever, I think those used to be.

24:32Speaker 5:These kinds of sites, you know?

24:33Speaker 1:But nowadays the internet is so, it's like it's all so easy to, But it is, you know, it is harder to find content that you connect with. I think it's all just kind of a mess because everybody with a Facebook page, everybody with a Twitter handle, whatever, can publish whatever they want. So, yeah, I think it's gotten oversaturated, right? Like, you want to just cut through the noise. Like, the point is to cut through the noise, however you can cut through the noise. So if that's, like, subscribing to somebody on Substack or letting the algorithm pick it for you, which is what Instagram does and what Twitter does, like, the algorithm is, like, telling you what you'll like based on what you've already liked or clicked on.

25:09Speaker 2:That's weird to me.

25:10Speaker 1:Whereas something like this is like a physical algorithm. I have to physically walk into a store, seek something out that is like, you know, for me, like probably like a memoir is going to be more my style.

25:22Speaker 5:Something that's more text-based. I'm not going to really, I'm not a big comic person. I'm probably not going to pick up those zines.

25:28Speaker 2:Weird question. Are there famous zine writers?

25:31Speaker 6:Like people where it's like, I've gotten 10 of their zines.

25:35Speaker 2:The same kind of people's zine.

25:36Speaker 5:I'm sure, yeah.

25:37Speaker 1:But I think, I mean, it was really famous in, like, the 60s and 70s, and, like, I think there's, like, a whole, like, punk underground music, like, zine scene. There's a whole comic zine scene. Like, I don't know that much about the subcultures. I just know that I like the experience of walking in, looking at them, picking up the ones that I kind of like. The one I didn't, I couldn't find because I gave it to my wife was a... a zine and I'm sorry, I don't know the author's name because I couldn't find her copy this morning before we came. Uh, it was like, I became a feminist because of watching horror films and it was all about the final girl theories about, um, horror films and like, that's something like my wife has written about a bunch.

26:19Speaker 5:So I was like, Oh my God, you're going to love this. So I found a zine.

26:21Speaker 1:It's basically like an essay, you know, but it has like pictures from movies and has like all, and it's like a personal essay.

26:27Speaker 5:That's like totally my jam.

26:28Speaker 6:Yeah.

26:29Speaker 1:And yeah, that could just be an essay online, but the chances of me fine, like I've noticed that the algorithm, the algorithmic feeding online can get so, I don't know.

26:40Speaker 2:It just, it's specific.

26:42Speaker 6:That's one thing I've noticed where it's all of a sudden it's like, I looked at one thing of sunglasses and now everything is a specific color. I'm like, there's 50 of these.

26:51Speaker 1:Are you kidding me? But it's also a feedback loop where you find yourself only reading the things that you're... You're.

26:56Speaker 2:Not exposed to anything.

26:57Speaker 1:You're not exposed to different things. That's what I like about this too. I'm into the idea that somebody out there is an individual who wants to cut and paste and fold something together and try and publish their own thing.

27:09Speaker 5:Whatever that is.

27:11Speaker 1:I just like that in concept. But I also don't know what that's going to be. I'm probably going to disagree with 50% of the zines out there if they're political or I'm going to disagree or just not like what they're writing about or care. But I just like the idea that that is a limiting factor and that connection.

27:27Speaker 3:And I guess one of the things that separates it from a sub stack is that the idea that you are going to follow an author and now you're going to– somehow buy into the idea that maybe you liked one thing they wrote but that doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna love everything about the author whereas with a zine you could pick one thing and like this zine about their puppet making but the next but also like this mem like you don't have to like the next thing they write they could write about a totally different subject and you may not pick up that zine so yeah it is a little more individualized well this is very interesting would you uh would you have any interest in doing a zine.

28:02Speaker 1:I totally yeah no i should do one Why don't.

28:05Speaker 3:You do a Pod Meets World zine?

28:10Speaker 1:What would it be?

28:11Speaker 2:I don't know.

28:12Speaker 1:Top 10 episodes of Boy Meets World.

28:15Speaker 4:I don't know.

28:17Speaker 1:No, I don't know what I would do.

28:19Speaker 6:You should do one that's just called Pre-Show Chatter. And it's just random thoughts.

28:22Speaker 4:All the things you like to talk.

28:23Speaker 2:Just random, bizarre thoughts of different stuff. That's how they get you. And then charge $ 37 for it.

28:28Speaker 4:You could make a zine of That's How They Get You. And it's just.

28:31Speaker 2:Actually not a bad idea.

28:32Speaker 6:Yeah.

28:32Speaker 5:A zine of that? I don't know. It seems so negative. It seems so dark.

28:36Speaker 6:Is it or are you warning people that that's how they in fact get you?

28:40Speaker 2:Yeah.

28:41Speaker 1:Seriously.

28:43Speaker 2:I'm super paranoid.

28:45Speaker 6:The pamphlet of how to avoid being attacked by the bear isn't dark. It's teaching you how not to be attacked by a bear.

28:51Speaker 1:I'll think about it.

28:51Speaker 5:I don't know.

28:52Speaker 1:How many should I do?

28:53Speaker 5:I don't know how many, like 100 copies of the zine?

28:55Speaker 4:I would do 100 copies.

28:57Speaker 3:And if people follow your Instagram, follow along for the zine, maybe we could give out 100 copies to.

29:04Speaker 4:So, dear listeners.

29:06Speaker 6:I would do that, and then I'd do exactly what you wanted to do, and I'd leave them places, and then have people tag you if they're found. Like, I found your book on a random bus in Los Angeles.

29:15Speaker 1:If you find this.

29:16Speaker 2:Like, that would be the fun thing.

29:17Speaker 5:That's cute. So, I'll do like 100.

29:18Speaker 2:50.

29:18Speaker 5:Give away 100 and leave 50. And then if you find the zine, tag.

29:20Speaker 4:You where it was found. Yeah, all right.

29:22Speaker 2:That's a cool idea.

29:28Speaker 1:Yeah, I got to think about what I want to actually do. I don't think that's how they get you. I'll say that's how they get you is for here.

29:33Speaker 5:For here, okay.

29:35Speaker 2:It could be something.

29:36Speaker 6:Well, again, like the one I'm looking at, Infinite Right Answers, it seems like somebody just took a whole bunch of mescaline and wrote a book. So you could do that where it's just everything is different. Like every page is essentially a different thing. So you don't, I mean, I don't think you need to go in with like what should I do? I think you could do one page could be poetry. The next thing is it's one of Alex's amazing recipes for some kind of soup. The next thing is Indy's thoughts on whatever. I mean, it could just be a totally random kind of thing. you know the thing the best best way to build a a hammock in a redwood right like just all random stuff i.

30:09Speaker 1:Definitely wanted to i just want to be inspired you know so it has to be something that i'm actually like into um because i that's that's what i connect with this when somebody is like you know i'm compelled to write about this thing or say this thing like it's not just for the sake of doing it i got.

30:24Speaker 6:A zine you can do for your second one that you do you do part of the diary of the girl that was killed in red weather And you leave it places.

30:32Speaker 2:So people can actually read part of the diary.

30:36Speaker 1:It's like it's a collaborative, or yeah, it's like a side quest for.

30:40Speaker 5:Absolutely.

30:41Speaker 4:So it's literally like you can start.

30:43Speaker 2:Flipping through the diary.

30:44Speaker 6:It's got like her favorite music list.

30:48Speaker 2:And all that kind of stuff.

30:49Speaker 5:That's a great idea.

30:50Speaker 2:That would be neat.

30:51Speaker 5:That's a cool idea.

30:52Speaker 2:That'd be neat.

30:53Speaker 5:Yeah, something like that.

30:53Speaker 3:I am interested in reading this one, this AI Must Die.

30:56Speaker 5:I know, me too.

30:57Speaker 4:I started flipping through it. When you're done with it, I'd like to borrow it.

31:00Speaker 2:Yeah, I wrote that.

31:01Speaker 3:I heard you guys went to Nordstrom this week to pick out clothes and you absolutely hated it.

31:06Speaker 5:I don't shop.

31:08Speaker 2:I hate it. I hate shopping. It's the worst thing ever.

31:11Speaker 5:First of all, I hate malls. All malls.

31:14Speaker 1:I don't disagree with that sentiment.

31:15Speaker 5:I hate shopping.

31:16Speaker 6:Yeah.

31:16Speaker 2:It's just not for me.

31:18Speaker 5:But we went to the Topanga Mall.

31:21Speaker 6:Topanga Mall.

31:26Speaker 1:Which I guess I must have been to at some point.

31:29Speaker 3:Yeah.

31:30Speaker 1:It looked vaguely familiar.

31:31Speaker 2:Well, it's because it looked like every other mall.

31:34Speaker 7:Well, no.

31:35Speaker 1:All the malls in LA are now outdoor malls.

31:37Speaker 6:Yeah.

31:37Speaker 2:Oh, like the Grove and stuff like that?

31:39Speaker 5:Yeah, faux cities.

31:41Speaker 2:Is that what they're called?

31:42Speaker 1:That's what I call them. Oh, okay.

31:43Speaker 5:Like fake town squares.

31:45Speaker 4:That's what I call them.

31:46Speaker 2:You said that like I was supposed to know the answer.

31:48Speaker 1:Obviously, it's a faux city. It's like, look, it looks almost like a real city with a real train car, with a real people-gathering spot.

31:55Speaker 4:You love trains?

31:56Speaker 2:I love trains.

31:56Speaker 4:Jensen loves trains. He loves the sound of a train.

32:00Speaker 6:I love the sound. Have you ever been on a sleeper train? The rocking at night just puts you right to bed.

32:04Speaker 5:You took a train trip.

32:05Speaker 2:I did, from L.A. all the way to Connecticut.

32:06Speaker 5:But you said it wasn't great.

32:07Speaker 2:Oh, it was awful.

32:09Speaker 1:Oh, no.

32:09Speaker 2:And I loved it. Yeah.

32:11Speaker 6:Oh, it was.

32:12Speaker 5:I remember you were a smoker at the time. I remember you said you had to like stop at every stop and like.

32:16Speaker 2:Well, yeah, yeah, because they wouldn't.

32:18Speaker 6:And they'd stop at like four o'clock in the morning and you'd hear the whistle and you'd be like, I got to get up because I can't smoke again until, you know, 10 o'clock the next morning. So there'd be four, you know, 14 smokers outside of 4 a.m.

32:28Speaker 2:Like in their pajamas. Like, hey, how you doing? Yeah. Just try to get some nicotine.

32:32Speaker 5:Oh, my gosh.

32:33Speaker 4:That's yeah.

32:34Speaker 1:You're like, I don't even enjoy this.

32:35Speaker 2:Oh, I enjoy it. I have to do it.

32:37Speaker 1:I'm tired.

32:39Speaker 2:Oh, magical. I loved it.

32:40Speaker 6:Um, but yeah, no, it, it was not, you have this idea of these kind of Rome, uh, romantic, you know, European train cars where you're, you're sitting there and meeting wonderful people and there's white linen tablecloths and you're going as the, the, the mid, you know, the majesty of the country is going by. And it just wasn't that at all. The first night I was there, I went down to the bar car and, And some drunk, big, huge guy just pulled off his shirt and then threw a beer all over the truck.

33:07Speaker 2:And I was like, and I'm out.

33:08Speaker 6:And I stayed in my room for the rest of the time. And the toilet is also the shower. So you got to like sit on the crapper to like shower.

33:15Speaker 4:What?

33:16Speaker 2:And so you got like the thing.

33:17Speaker 6:It was not what I expected it was going to be. But I still there's several train rides, overnight train rides I want to take in Europe. But that's different than here.

33:25Speaker 4:Okay.

33:27Speaker 1:We could have also just gone back to the car. You just got scared because a guy took a curb off?

33:31Speaker 6:Not scared.

33:31Speaker 2:It was just like, ugh. It was just, yeah, it was just a lot of grossness.

33:35Speaker 1:I don't want to deal with other human beings.

33:36Speaker 2:Why are you taking a train ride?

33:37Speaker 1:I don't understand.

33:38Speaker 2:You're pulling off your shirt and throwing beers on everybody. It was like, I don't need to go back there ever again.

33:43Speaker 6:I'm good.

33:43Speaker 2:Thank you very much.

33:44Speaker 4:To the bar cart.

33:45Speaker 5:I did it.

33:47Speaker 6:Check.

33:47Speaker 1:I think the best overnight train ride I took was in Vietnam. And I was with a bunch of Vietnam vets. Actually, it was a whole trip I'll talk about sometime. But we were late at night. It was really an intense, rattly train car. And we were playing poker until some cops came by and stopped us.

34:08Speaker 5:But yeah, playing poker.

34:09Speaker 2:Are you not allowed to play poker?

34:11Speaker 5:I guess not.

34:11Speaker 1:We were gambling.

34:12Speaker 5:We were actually gambling.

34:15Speaker 2:That sounds fun. But it was an experience. Super fun.

34:18Speaker 6:Yeah.

34:18Speaker 5:From where were we going? We were from Hanoi down to Hue, I think, on a train ride. It was incredible.

34:24Speaker 2:Yeah, that's cool.

34:26Speaker 4:So can we go back to you guys trying on clothes? What do you hate about the shopping experience?

34:32Speaker 2:Everything.

34:33Speaker 1:Everything. It's awful.

34:34Speaker 2:I hate shopping.

34:35Speaker 3:But you guys even had a stylist pull things in your sizes, right?

34:40Speaker 2:Yes, which makes it even worse.

34:42Speaker 3:No.

34:42Speaker 5:I mean, that is amazing. What a privilege, right?

34:45Speaker 4:Yes.

34:46Speaker 1:But you know, when online shopping became a reality, that is the only thing I will do.

34:52Speaker 6:Right.

34:53Speaker 5:Because the idea.

34:54Speaker 1:Of like, somebody at a store talking to me and trying to help me figure out how to, like, I don't like any sort of pampering.

35:00Speaker 5:Right, right, right.

35:01Speaker 2:I'm the same way.

35:02Speaker 5:But you like massages.

35:03Speaker 2:I love massages.

35:04Speaker 1:I don't like anybody, like, dealing with, like, my body or my taste. It's like, no, I can take care of myself. Like, I don't want that kind of attention. It makes me very nervous and.

35:15Speaker 2:I don't know.

35:15Speaker 6:I just don't like trying on and off clothes. I don't care how I look, but I do, I don't know. So, like, this is a perfect example. I found the shirt that I like and I said, Get it in every color.

35:26Speaker 2:And I was done. Yeah. Because I just don't like, I don't like it.

35:30Speaker 3:But like you, one of the things you have liked about having a stylist when we have had a stylist for events that we have done is that. someone can say, you would look good in this. I picked this for you. And then you put it on and you go, ah, yes, I do like that. And sometimes those things are not things you would have normally selected for yourself.

35:51Speaker 1:And so you're saying that when you go into a store, often a person that works at the store can be that person for you? Correct. I always feel like they're out to get me. Oh, that's how they get you.

36:03Speaker 2:You should do a zine about that.

36:04Speaker 1:If it's a stylist, like in our situations where we're fortunate enough to have like, Someone hired by a show or a wardrobe person. That I can totally hang with. But when it's somebody that works at the store, I'm like, I don't know.

36:16Speaker 3:For you, it's like the salesperson and a stylist together.

36:22Speaker 1:They're always like, have you tried the $ 1, 400 coat?

36:24Speaker 5:I'm like, of course.

36:27Speaker 2:Of course.

36:28Speaker 1:In fact, my wife got some sort of friends and family discount at a store. And I was like, she's like, it's 30% off. You like this brand. And I was like, I actually do. I have worn these clothes. I do like this brand. She's like, let's go. Let's make a trip to the store, which I hadn't done in a long time. I was like, okay, yes. And then we get there. And of course, it's like the salesperson is like, oh, you're here for the friends and family. And they get her name. And then they're like, what can we?

37:01Speaker 5:And I'm like, okay.

37:02Speaker 1:And then they start throwing things.

37:04Speaker 5:Such expensive stuff at me and i'm like i can't.

37:07Speaker 6:This is do we get to pick what store it is do we get to guess no come on let me guess let me guess okay go is it made well nope.

37:14Speaker 4:Okay oh so expensive at made well i don't know i bet it's.

37:18Speaker 1:Cost i finally pick out i finally pick out like one thing that i'm like you know what this will do this is a thing i would buy this and alex keeps because there's another thing that's like really expensive and alex is like but it's 30 off i was like it That's how they get you.

37:31Speaker 2:Exactly.

37:31Speaker 1:No, I'm not going to just pay $ 800 for a thing, but I wouldn't get otherwise.

37:37Speaker 4:30% off is actually just math. It's not girl math.

37:40Speaker 5:Because then you.

37:41Speaker 2:Return it and get something more expensive. How does that work?

37:44Speaker 3:No, what happens is what girl math would be is that I bought this at 30% off.

37:49Speaker 4:So I made whatever that 30% off was. So I made that much money. Now I can go spend that on something else.

37:55Speaker 2:See, that's not a thing.

37:58Speaker 7:But then we go like we're gonna buy this great, okay, and then they're like well you can't leave here today It's tomorrow you can come pick it up and we have to check because only.

38:09Speaker 1:Certain items are the 30% Oh my god, we made this whole trip We walked out with nothing.

38:17Speaker 5:And was the thing on sale?

38:20Speaker 6:I don't know.

38:20Speaker 5:I haven't heard because it was under my wife's account or whatever.

38:23Speaker 1:But I was like, this is how.

38:25Speaker 5:They get it. And that's why I hate shopping. I hate it all.

38:28Speaker 1:Online, I can be like, that looks good. And then if I don't like it, I can send it back.

38:32Speaker 2:I get all my clothes at Target and Costco.

38:34Speaker 1:I get all my clothes at Target and Costco, and I'm.

38:37Speaker 2:Totally fine with that. I'm absolutely fine with that.

38:40Speaker 1:My parents would get all their clothes at Costco until they like boarded the plane one time and they saw everybody was wearing the same. Fine with me.

38:47Speaker 6:I want silver jumpsuits and boots for everybody. I want us all to be wearing a universal thing. Nobody has to think about it. You put on a uniform and that's your, I would be so happy with that.

38:58Speaker 2:No, make a zine.

39:02Speaker 3:There's images of me in clothes I wish I could wear, but I'm stuck in this Will Friedle uniform.

39:07Speaker 2:Thank you. Oh, my God. Everybody's going to be so happy in my universe. You have no idea. Free cigarettes for everybody.

39:12Speaker 1:It's funny, because Indy's not going to a middle school with uniforms, but a lot of his friends are, and I love it. Me too.

39:19Speaker 5:I'm totally into it.

39:19Speaker 2:I'm like, you know what?

39:21Speaker 1:That makes perfect sense. You don't have to think about it. Just make it easy. Don't remove this from childhood, because it's like, this is not the place.

39:28Speaker 4:I do agree.

39:29Speaker 5:Whereas when I was a kid.

39:30Speaker 1:Like think about me on Boy Meets World.

39:32Speaker 5:I would have been like uniforms of the death of independence.

39:35Speaker 1:Independence and originality and self, even though I wasn't a fashion person, I would have railed against that as a kid. But now, that's a great idea.

39:43Speaker 2:I think we should all be in uniforms.

39:44Speaker 3:I do think for kids to take it out of the equation when you are trying to, there's already so many things you are battling.

39:52Speaker 6:It's also what you can afford, the kids who can't afford other things. Put them all in the same thing.

39:56Speaker 3:Put them all in the same thing until you get old enough and then you get this wonderful experience that we.

40:01Speaker 4:Had figuring out what the hell do I like? How do I style myself?

40:05Speaker 6:And your kids would just put on their uniforms every morning, look at themselves in the mirror and go.

40:15Speaker 3:Thank you all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.

40:18Speaker 4:We will catch you next time.