784. Kevin Estrella

0:20Speaker 1:Hello and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host and my guest tonight, Kevin Estrella. He's a guitarist and composer behind the Instrumental Rock Project Pyramids on Mars. Kevin has reached out to me for a long time and I finally decided, hey, let's hear what he has to say. He had a UFO encounter back in 2014 in August that changed his life, leading to experiences he describes as telepathic communication Unusual Dreams, and Musical Downloads. There's been a lot of people that have talked about the different types of downloads and musical downloads over the years.

0:57Speaker 1:I've heard a lot of people just, oh, saying that, oh, these people must have had a download of some kind, some great music, or they were doing mushrooms or whatever it was. But anyway, I thought it was very interesting. And I know there's been a lot of people that claim they feel like they get a download of lyrics that just come to mind all of a sudden, things like that. But anyway, just a little housekeeping here. This coming Tuesday, we have Roy Teague on, and this is his image. He sent me this picture of him all dressed up like this. And what he's going to be talking about is his book, but also a lot of investigation of police encounters, UFOs, and this is in the UK.

1:41Speaker 1:So he'll be joining us in the middle of the night over there. And then I'm real excited to have the show coming up on this next Thursday on the 24th at 8 p.m. These shows are always at 8 p.m. Eastern, unless announced otherwise. So this one, I've been working with Dave Beatty, who helped me with the Alex Dietrich interview. If you haven't seen that, it's getting a lot of action. There's a lot of people really interested in the great things that Alex Dietrich has to say. So Dave Beatty, of course, has the Nimitz Encounters film. He's coming out with a new updated documentary, and it's beautiful. I did get to watch it. We're going to be talking about that.

2:19Speaker 1:But I have to say, more importantly, we're going to have someone that has never spoke about this publicly. He was the chief. Let me see what his position was before I say it. He was an enlisted petty officer on the USS Nimitz, primary flight control that witnessed the whole thing when all these things happened. Also, when the men came on and they took the recordings, he had to sign an NDA. And he's providing all of that. very interesting information so this is going to be the first time that he's ever spoken about this encounter and how it has affected his life so make sure you stay tuned for that that's next thursday at 8 p.m on the 24th and so as far as our blog this week please visit podcastufo.com and it is a 1976 ufo occupant report from the canary islands again by our great blogger and history buff and author Charles Lear. Check out all those. I'll try to get some of those audio blogs out to you here on the podcast and on YouTube. A lot of people really enjoy those. My guest for some reason just vanished on the screen down below.

3:32Speaker 1:Hopefully he'll be right back. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but let me see what I got here to tidy us over. I'm going to look in chat, so anyone have any questions for me this week? Our guest just disappeared suddenly, and hopefully he'll be right back. Here he is. He's coming back. All right. Kevin, you're back. What happened?

3:58Speaker 2:I don't know.

3:59Speaker 1:You've been abducted. Actually, yeah. Yeah.

4:01Speaker 2:We can just fix that. Yeah.

4:04Speaker 1:So those of you who are watching this live, you can see Kevin has quite the background behind him. Now, are those things you had, images you had made, or are you a painter, or where did those come from?

4:18Speaker 2:They are portraits by Sue Walker. To understand, she and I, she was contact, these, who was behind me, these are actually, they are the Ponte. They are from the planet Pontel, which is the fifth planet orbiting Zeta Reticuli II. Sue Walker is a professional telepath who's worked with the FBI, CIA. She's been on TV and documentaries as a professional psychic. And she lives in Albuquerque, New Mexico. And one day, her and her husband were watching The Voice, one of those acting things, and said, this guy's really good. He should win. And then a voice came from the Sandia Mountains in Albuquerque, New Mexico, saying, yes, he should win.

5:04Speaker 2:And then it was a telepathic voice. Eventually, we found out that it was Commander Tilkum who was speaking to her. And to bring things up to speed, Sue began communicating with them telepathically, and they opened a Twitter account, which has been running since 2016, and Sue Walker does portraits. So these are all portraits of the Pawntee. So that's, think of the speed of who is these people who were behind me.

5:39Speaker 1:I see, I see. And so, anyway, let's talk about your musical interests, how you got involved in... Because I think you emailed me quite a while, I'm going to say a number of years ago, I believe. First, you've been at this quite a while, right? In this topic. Was it 2014 is when you first contacted me? I'm not sure.

6:02Speaker 2:I don't know. It's been. I've been doing radio interviews since about 2015. That's when I started. I've done over 100 interviews. I have my own UFO radio show, Pyramids of Mars UFO Radio on the Artist First Network. And we just had our 10th year anniversary last month. So I'm very involved in this subject because it's part of my earth contracts, so to speak, pre-birth earth contracts to do this. And I have continuous extraterrestrial contact on a weekly basis.

6:42Speaker 1:And how is that contact?

6:45Speaker 2:Believe it or not, usually it's just the Pawntees showing up here, but they're usually invisible. But my place is a safe place because they have a lot of trainees who come from, who are here getting trained, who come to visit people. And my place is a place for them to get used to going to Earth humans regularly. homes. And so they'll be here. It'll be invisible. They'll sometimes just tap me on the back of my shoulder. If I'm playing my PlayStation 4, they just love to watch me playing video games and they'll bump the back of the couch. Sometimes they make comments telepathically and I'll pick up those side thoughts and answer them. So it's not as crazy as it sounds. It's actually, it is true.

7:27Speaker 2:These things are happening. And there's a lot more. There's a lot more of the visit stations and other things that they do around here. It's extensive.

7:37Speaker 1:Okay. As I mentioned prior to us starting, I'm kind of a nuts and bolts guy. So a lot of times I ask people, how can you, in a situation like this, how can you convince me this is really happening? How do you like that question?

7:57Speaker 2:We're trying to get to things as quick as possible, but I haven't given much of a background story in regards to how this all started for me. So jumping into it is where to start to explain it. I've seen the Ponte physically. I've had interactions with them in astral as well, in the astral realms. And I've had a lot of.

8:24Speaker 4:Extraterrestrial visitations in altered states, lucid dreams, or when you get into the alpha theta state, that's when a lot of star nations start to they can make contact with you.

8:37Speaker 2:In altered states so this is how they make contact.

8:42Speaker 1:I have i've had a number of people that have told me over the years that they feel as though they're contacting when you're saying altered states when they are in an altered state they feel as though that they've been contacted even in the professional world i'm in the arts and antiques someone told me that i forget exactly what they were should I say experimenting with? I'm not really sure. But they said that they were convinced that they were contacted.

9:10Speaker 2:Okay, when I say altered states, this is not no drug use.

9:14Speaker 1:I got it. Okay.

9:16Speaker 2:This is when you drop into alpha theta state. So it's when you're in that state between awake and asleep. So you're not dreaming, but you're not awake. And you're in that state there. That's when they start to show up. And I may feel them. Someone touched my arm. They may start talking to me. And then all of a sudden I see them in either the astral realms, like in my astral body, or they show up in a altered, like a lucid dream state.

9:45Speaker 1:I understand about the lucid dream too. You know, I mean, you can, it seems like you're in a different realm and you can maybe be more open to things.

9:54Speaker 2:It's a safer environment because if you remember the movie War of the Worlds, why did those aliens die at the end of the movie because they were infected by germs from earth and they same thing here where they may have or we may have germs that may affect them or they may have stuff which affects us so by meeting us in altered these altered states of consciousness because it's all consciousness based it's a lot more of a safer environment and the fact that actually if you can do that because you have to be a certain level of advancement as a human being first of all to put your fears down because they cannot visit you if you have any fear that breaks one of the third rules it's cause no fear do no harm leave no trace those are three rules of ponte explained to us that extraterrestrials star nations They cannot break those rules.

10:48Speaker 2:So you have to get rid of your fear in order for them to first be able to visit you. Then if you can be able to get into altered states like these things and astral travel, it's easier for them to make contact.

11:03Speaker 1:Here's a question from, and thank you all for being here in chat. Always nice to see you all here. And so this is from Tony. He's from the UK. Okay. Is the invisibility ethereal or technological? That's your question for you.

11:19Speaker 2:That's a good question. And to be able to answer that question, I still am not too sure. I think that it could be technological. Talking from Sue, they use technology in order to be able to walk through walls and open portals to be able to walk through a wall. So that's how they get here. So I think with the invisible... It could be technological as well. Sue Walker has seen them physically, like she's gone into her garage to get something from the fridge, and then she saw two alien hands on a wheel pretending to drive. And then she said, busted, and all of a sudden, the hands disappeared. She's also seen in their living room, which looks like square glass pads all of a sudden light up, like an iPad. with technology that they had, all these things.

12:17Speaker 2:So it's a mix between the two.

12:21Speaker 1:Now, you're talking about planets here. So you think these are from a location and not something that has been here for a long time or something that is in another dimension or anything? Are they saying, in your opinion, are they communicating to you that these are from a certain, you said off of, Is that a reticuli, I believe, the fifth, whatever you said?

12:47Speaker 2:Yes, that's their home planet. But they operate out of an information station under the Sandia Mountains. It's about two miles below. This has nothing to do with the Sandia military base, absolutely nothing to do. This actually, this location that they're in was part of an early human settlement that was last occupied about 60,000 years ago. So they refurbished about 10% of it for their own use and also changed to be able to control the environments and the air and stuff like that. It's one of three or four main extraterrestrial stations here on Earth. It's not just used by the Pawntee, but it's used by other star nations.

13:39Speaker 1:That's just when you say underground, someone just popped this up. What is your Take on the inner earth beings. Is that kind of what you're talking about? How far down are you saying?

13:52Speaker 2:Two miles down, about two miles down. But they're not part of the inner earth beings. There are inner earth beings. Yes, there are. But they're in other locations. The earth is quite complex. There's a lot of people here. And there's reptarians who live underground as well. so you know when i say reptarians there's a difference between reptarians reptilians reptilians are off planet reptarians are indigenous to earth and they were here before humans they're one of the first people here.

14:30Speaker 1:Before us all right here's a question i've asked other people so i might as well ask you as well so it makes me wonder if you think of the vast universe in the trillions of stars out there Why would we be so special to have all this going on our little blue marble here and Why would we be this special that we be having this type of visitation in your opinion.

15:03Speaker 2:Earth is a very important planet It was put here on purpose in this location of the galaxy And to make it quite simple, why are they here? You're not going to believe me when I tell you the answer. Because the Ponte have told us. It's about the water. It's all about the water. They say, do you realize how rare water planets are?

15:29Speaker 1:I thought I've heard otherwise from astrophysicists that there's probably a lot of water planets. But maybe... I'll be open... to hearing or looking into that more, but here's another question for you here. Do you think music and alien sightings of craft go hand in hand?

15:50Speaker 2:Music and the site.

15:51Speaker 1:Yep.

15:52Speaker 2:In a certain sense. Yes. There was a book that was written by Michael C. Luckman called alien rock, which talks about how many musicians have been contacted by extraterrestrials or have seen UFOs. And it seems to be quite, exclusive to musicians. We're talking about everybody from Elvis to Ace Frehley of Kiss to all the members of Yes, David Bowie, Britney Spears. Just so many musicians have had extraterrestrial contact or have seen UFOs. It's quite extensive. And Grant Cameron, who is a UFO researcher here, who's known, he has also written a book on this subject as well.

16:52Speaker 2:He was supposed to collaborate with Michael C. Luckman, but Michael passed away. So Grant took up this himself and he wrote a book as well, which documents all the same thing as what I'm telling you about. How many musicians have been contacted by extraterrestrials and also about musical downloads. And in fact, actually, I'm in Grant Cameron's book. There's one section of a chapter which it talks about the experience of mine where one of my songs was literally, it came to me in a dream. I didn't write the song. It just came to me in a dream.

17:25Speaker 2:I woke up, went down to my computer in my studio and wrote out everything that I heard in this dream. And so that story is in his book. And the book is called Tuned in the Paranormal World of Music.

17:39Speaker 1:So what exactly happened? And on August 21st, 2014.

17:44Speaker 2:That was the day that completely changed my life. That was basically, it was 10 30 at night. I had just put my kids to bed and I went out on my porch. I live in Hamilton, Ontario, and we live in a very, a very large subdivision just off of upper James, which is one of the main streets here in Hamilton. And within seven seconds of me stepping onto my deck, there appeared from behind my neighbor's tree on my right-hand side, this object that came out from behind the tree. So this tree is about, it's about 30 feet away from me. And then this object is about a hundred yards away from me. It was lined up with the tree and it came out and what it was this glowing disc orangish-red glowing like coals that was going across the sky only about 100, maybe 125 feet off the ground and was moving across the subdivision.

18:51Speaker 2:And it was extremely close. And when I first saw this thing, I didn't know what I was looking at. I thought it was a meteor that was coming into the atmosphere. But then I realized, wait, this thing is moving like the speed of light. of a helicopter it's moving really slow and this thing is actually flying over the subdivision and I was like completely freaked out it also the other strange thing about it is like it seemed to have mist they came off the top of it and off the bottom but it looked like smoke or mist I didn't know what I was looking at and the other thing about this thing was that like I said it was orangish red glowing like coals but it was like two dimensional it had height and width, but it had no depth. It looked as flat as a piece of paper. So that was the other thing that was throwing me off, was the physics of this thing.

19:42Speaker 2:It didn't make any sense. I'd never seen anything like this in my life. And it moved across just the distance of my backyard, and then it turned out from me and started going south towards Binbrook. And then at that point, when it turned and its nose was facing away from me, I could see that it was an oblong shaped, like a football path. Like a seed almost. And it had no light at all. It was just black. And I found out later because I reported it to MUFON, and what they said I saw with the orange-red, that was a plasma stream. So you can see plasma from one angle, but you can't see it from other angles.

20:20Speaker 2:And I witnessed that personally myself. So it was a physical craft that actually flew across my backyard. And it freaked me out. It totally freaked me out. I was upset for two weeks because I wanted to have a UFO experience, and I wasn't ready for it. I didn't even know what a– you're wrapping your head around physics that you've never seen. It was nuts. Yeah.

20:40Speaker 1:I remember when I had my encounter that got me involved in this. It's like it was a paradigm shift. It wasn't part of the world I was ready for. I mentioned many times if I had a camera on me, I probably wouldn't have never thought to take a picture. You're just engulfed in it. Yeah. So had you... What was your thoughts about this whole subject prior to this?

21:11Speaker 2:I have been passionate and a fanatic about extraterrestrials for a long time since I was in university. That's kind of where it began for me. Back in university, we're talking like 91. One of the guys on our floors, he had internet and nobody had internet back in 91, but he did. And he had downloaded all these schematics from Bob Lazar. on this UFO that he worked on at Area 51. And I became fascinated with it and the subject, UFOs are real? And so then I started buying Bud Hopkins books on alien abductions, and I was just all in and spent years studying this. And then when we finally got internet, I was watching all these videos from Richard Hoagland on the anomalies on Mars and on the moon, and was diving deep into the the evidence of bases on the moon and artifacts on Mars so I was really involved in this and educating myself.

22:17Speaker 1:I wonder what happened to Richard I'm sure he's long retired at this point but he was active I don't know maybe five years ago and I haven't heard much from him since.

22:26Speaker 2:I haven't either yeah.

22:29Speaker 1:Yeah but he was he was on weekly for a while on the same channel that I was on online radio yeah so anyway it's it is very interesting what you're saying but are these you mentioned that these are not physical forms but your friend saw hands so they can be physical which kind of makes almost you're saying it's related to consciousness and.

23:04Speaker 2:The Ponty are physical beings. They are definitely physical beings. I have seen them in the physical form once. Once they showed up at my apartment and it was PETA. I've seen them in physical form. Sue has seen them in physical form at her place. So we know that they are physical but they can also show up and be invisible and do things and or they can show up in in those dimensional forms as well like in lucid dreams or all acid our whole medical Astral realms as.

23:45Speaker 1:Well What are you aware of why they are here and what they want.

23:56Speaker 2:Yes First of all the Ponzi they've been there their history is of being on our planet that goes back 136,000 years. They've been here this long. But the reason that they're here as much as they are now is because they are preparing us for official first contact. They are trying to make contact with us. And just like Trump has been releasing all this information and all these UFO file dumps, things are really starting to progress. And I believe that something big is going to be happening within this year and 2027 that nobody will be able to deny that we are not alone in this universe. So the Ponty made me aware that this year was a very important year for disclosure and that they wanted me to be doing more interviews to introduce their people to the world.

24:47Speaker 2:And so that's what I'm doing as many interviews as I can. And that's why I contacted you. I contacted you. And.

24:58Speaker 1:Okay. And are they... Focusing on certain places and people, is that what it is? I'm just trying to understand your thoughts on this and how they come to you and your people that you know and stuff like that. And is it through portals? How do they get here? And do they stay here when they come here and leave back and forth? Or is this something they're contacting us from all the way from where they're from?

25:31Speaker 2:They have their ships here on Earth. They fly their ships. So when they come to visit me, they're actually taking physical ships to fly and visit me. It only takes them about five or ten minutes to fly to my place from Albuquerque. They do, when they're traveling back to their home planet, I don't know all the technical in regards to how they do that, but they do use technologies to jump different points and stuff like that. I don't know. I don't know how they, I can't, I can't explain it, but there are definitely it's physics that are different than us.

26:14Speaker 1:And do you believe that they're just coming from that one location all around wherever they go?

26:20Speaker 2:From planet Pontell?

26:22Speaker 1:No, from Albuquerque area.

26:26Speaker 2:La Ponte are operating in that vicinity.

26:29Speaker 1:Okay.

26:30Speaker 2:There's another extraterrestrial information station in the Tasman Sea, and there's one in Europe that I'm aware of, but they kind of stay to their own jurisdiction. The Ponty are not going over to Australia or there. They stay in North America, and North America is where they operate.

26:53Speaker 1:Okay. All right. And you said you had that one UFO encounter in your backyard. Have you seen anything since that time as far as UFOs go?

27:11Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Yeah. One time I was up at my house and my son was bouncing on his trampoline. I looked up in the sky and I saw a big, long cigar craft. flying just underneath the clouds. It was long, silver, had no windows, it had no wings, and it was just going across the sky with the speed of a regular airplane. And I'm telling my son, Ryan, look up, look, there's a UFO. And he wouldn't look up, but it was quite cool. I've also seen my son, my oldest son, had a UFO encounter downtown Hamilton that... It was only isolated to him. It was the Ponty who did it.

28:01Speaker 2:And they had one of their skipper ships hover between two of the tall skyscrapers in downtown Hamilton and beam a light across the road. And he saw it and he was asking me all questions like, how far away is NASA from here? Do they have this kind of craft? I'm like, what are you talking about? And eventually he drew what he saw. And my son, he slept 17 when this happened. And the Ponty, they confirmed that it was them. So they, and the way, you'd expect that it would be on the news, that everybody would be like taking pictures of this thing, and it would be like front page news of the Hamilton Spectator. The thing is, it doesn't work that way. They're able to shut down people and just have contact with the people that they want to have contact. And that's why when I had my contact in 2014 and I sent my report to MUFON, MUFON did an investigation and there was nobody else who had reported this UFO the night that I had seen it.

29:04Speaker 2:And they had checked, they verified a whole bunch of things. And eventually Grant Cameron would explain to me that they do this. They can make contact with people and shut other people down to have the contact with the people that they want. And then it was only in the last two or three years that I was with Sue Walker in Albuquerque, and we had a chance to talk to the pontee at the mountain. I was having a conversation, and they explained to me that that ship was one of theirs. It was their ship.

29:41Speaker 1:Alright we have some questions here from people Kim wants to know any idea what they're thinking for an effective first contact.

29:49Speaker 2:It's definitely not going to be landing a UFO on the White House lawn I'll tell you that no they this is where it gets tricky They wanted to have official first contact in 2021. That was the end of a treaty, a 50-year treaty that was signed by, I don't know who signed it, but it was certain nations here on Earth and certain extraterrestrial nations that made an agreement that no official first contact would happen for at least 50 years for them to give the people enough time for them to educate people on the subject. So that treaty expired in 2021. We were anticipating that something was going to happen at that point. But if you remember, that was the height of the pandemic and the world was in complete chaos. And so they had to change their plans a bit and decided that they were going to be doing more UFO, having more daytime and nighttime sightings of UFOs. And that's why if you've noticed in the last five years, Whereas UFO reports are going like crazy because they're showing up, they're showing themselves all the time now, trying to get people to look up in the skies and get off their iPhones and look up

31:06Speaker 2:and see that there are ships. And now we have these reports of orbs and drones in the United States and people are talking. And that was, this has been a slow disclosure to not scare people, to get them kind of used to the idea that we have, extraterrestrial visitors who are trying to make contact with us. And there's reasons why it needs to be happening now.

31:36Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of people have been talking about 2027. I think that was thrown out there about three years ago. And so I actually asked a certain person that everyone was leaning on the 2027, and it did come to a dead end of someone else that I know. No, it never went any further than that. So I don't know where all that came from. But here's another question here also from Kim. Why is open contact important in your opinion?

32:07Speaker 2:It's not necessarily, it's not my opinion. It's why, it's what the Ponte are explaining to us. And this is science. Our planet, there's a lot of changes going on right now. If with our sun and with our planet, and we are in the midst of an extinction level event. So there's a lot of things we have to be concerned about. The sun has been giving off coronial mass ejections more and more in the last couple of several years. There is, we are in a section, we are not stagnant in space.

32:49Speaker 2:We are moving. The whole solar system is spinning. And we are going through an area that the Ponte is, say, is a very turbulent zone of magnetic anomalies and dust that is affecting the sun. It's affecting all the planets. And it's cyclical. It happens every 12,000 years. So this is normal. This is a normal process. It's not the first time that Earth has gone through an extinction level event. And it's happening now. And there are concerns that things may escalate to the point where the sun might go micro-nova.

33:30Speaker 2:And that's the reason why the United States and why the military have built all these underground bases and cities to move underground for these cataclysmic events which they're anticipating are going to happen. The other problem, the other issue is the Earth is precariously... it may turn over. We're talking about a.

33:58Speaker 1:You mean the magnetic field?

33:59Speaker 2:Yes.

34:00Speaker 5:Geomagnetic excursion where the poles shift and then the planet is going to literally tilt 90 degrees.

34:12Speaker 2:And it'll do that in a matter of 24 hours. What happens to the water? It gets displaced. We're talking about mile-high tsunamis. We're talking about mass global devastation on the coastlines. But the other problem is that now you have the water. The Earth is not complete. It bulges out at the equator because of the spin. It bulges out about 20 miles. What happens when you turn the planet 90 degrees? You've got North America and you've got South America. What happens when you turn it this way?

34:48Speaker 2:Where's the water going to go? Most of the United States and Canada are completely submerged. It'll be submerged under about a mile of water. So these are the things that we're worried about. That's what they're concerned about. So they want to, they want to help us because we're going to need, we're going to need assistance. For the people who don't think, who don't believe what I'm saying, I would suggest if you have Twitter, follow Ben Davidson at Space Weather News. So he's a Sun scientist and he explains all of this.

35:22Speaker 3:And he's got many movies that they put out about this, what the geomagnetic excursion is and what we are anticipating is going to happen.

35:32Speaker 1:Is he an actual scientist?

35:35Speaker 2:I believe so. Okay.

35:39Speaker 1:Here's another question here from BCAT. Why have abductions seemed to have bottlenecked or decreased?

35:48Speaker 2:What kind of abductions are you talking about? The negative or the positive?

35:53Speaker 1:Just posing the question there. I'm not sure exactly. We can just move on.

35:59Speaker 2:Well, people are being picked up all the time. Susie Hansen from New Zealand, she wrote a book called The Dual Soul Connection, The Advanced Agenda for Extraterrestrial Contact. And she explains about how many people are picked up and taken on into meetings to help, and their people are shown. We're talking about thousands and thousands of people in certain positions of power are being taken to meetings. They don't remember them because they suppress the memories, but they're showing them the potentials of these cataclysms of the planet and that they're going to be needing to help people rebuild and assist with these potentials. So people are picked up all the time. I've been picked up probably four or five dozen times at least. I don't remember the events, but sometimes I do wake up with mosquito bites in the middle of winter, which doesn't make any sense. So that's the only time that I'll know that I've been taken somewhere and a meeting has taken place.

37:10Speaker 1:Okay, so we do have some other questions in here. let's see another one dispatch wants to know do you feel some music will attract you and ufo to come and if so do they have an ability to hear better than.

37:24Speaker 2:Us yes but the music what they what they explained to me and was that and they've been working with me with this for a long time to me right here she explained that music can be communicated at a telepathic level And so music can be communicated in visuals and in the music itself, in the emotions that's shared. And it's communicated at a much deeper level. It can be. Not all music is communicated that way, but it can be communicated at a telepathic level. And so that's what they were working with me for years because they explained that I was already doing it with my music, Pyramids on Mars, with instrumental music. but that I wasn't consciously aware of it. So they started making me a little bit more conscious of it to communicate that music at a telepathic level to bring it out. And they can hear me. They can hear me in Albuquerque when I'm playing my guitar. Telepathically, they can hear me. It depends on the kind of music. And they have music on their planet, too. They're musicians, too. They also even have synthesizers, but they're conscious. They have Consciousness to them. We talked

38:43Speaker 2:about this.

38:44Speaker 1:I've always thought that there has to be music in other civilizations elsewhere. It's like the universal language and its vibration and it's mathematic and there's so much more to it than what we hear. And I feel so that I do believe it would be important to any being of intelligence myself. But here's another question here. From Yanni, do they have any kind of motives? What do you think is our part in seeing and interacting?

39:21Speaker 2:To try to understand what the question is, can you read it again?

39:28Speaker 1:What are their motives? And do you think, what do you think our part is in seeing and interacting with them?

39:41Speaker 2:They want to be friends. They, they want to get to know us. They are, they, the Pawntee are cultural explorers. They love us. a lot of things about us. They love our culture. They love our music. They love our dance. They love the Ponty. They have dance-offs. They like to dance. They also put on shows for themselves in different cultures of us. So sometimes they put on a show where they're all banging on Japanese drums. Other times they're dressed up like cabaret dancers dancers from the 1920s and 1930s.

40:26Speaker 2:They love our culture. They want to preserve our culture if we have a Kazakh-Cladaclisic event, but they also are trying to make, we're trying to meet for the first time to have interactions. And then eventually we'll have extraterrestrials who will be making themselves known who are already here on the planet. and that we've never been alone. There are many extraterrestrials who are Earth human, who look Earth human, but they're not from here, and they'll make themselves known eventually.

41:01Speaker 2:They've been here for a long time. They've been integrated in our society for a long time.

41:07Speaker 1:One of the things that comes up often is how tribal we are here, and we're such a warring society, unfortunately. And so how would they avoid. To say if there was contact how would they avoid us doing what we always do and that's become a tribe and become violent and all that they can't love every part of us because we have some real weaknesses as a society as far as that they just overlook that type of situation they believe in us enough that we wouldn't blow them off the planet if we knew they were here.

41:47Speaker 2:They're very concerned about that. They've been concerned about a false flag alien invasion for a long time. And that was also one of the top reasons why they changed their plan in 2021 when they wanted to have official first contact because they're monitoring those who would like to have a false flag alien invasion. You have to understand that they have reverse engineered these UFOs for the last 80 years. There is... there is a secret space program.

42:18Speaker 2:When they said, when Trump talks about space force, they already have ships out there in space with reverse engineered technology. This has been going on for a long time. When you get into like not often, you get into solar warden with the, the Nazis had flying saucers. And it's been, this thing that there's a huge, it's, that's a whole other topic on itself. I have friends who are former secret space program people like Penny Bradley. And so I'm part of these support groups for these people who have been in these different programs. Rodriguez, I forget his first name. Anyway, it's a long, complicated thing. I'm afraid that we are a very warfaring nation and we should not be in space.

43:13Speaker 2:We are not ready For contact and being out there in space. We are like the Klingons to other galaxies. We shoot first. We want to dominate. We want to make money. And that's not how they think out there. They are thousands of years more spiritually advanced than we are. It's about consciousness. It's about oneness. It's about spirituality. And that we are all one. If you want to know, do extraterrestrials believe in God? Yes, they do. They're closer to God than we are because they are telepathic nations.

43:48Speaker 2:So they are connected to the soup. They know that we are all part of one consciousness. So they're very highly advanced spiritual beings.

43:58Speaker 1:I heard someone say that they believed that the higher intelligence came from unconditional love. I thought that was pretty interesting. In a lot of ways, that would work.

44:12Speaker 2:Yes.

44:13Speaker 1:Because that's, if you have that, then you're not blowing each other up for one thing.

44:19Speaker 2:Here's the other thing. The Ponte, on their planet, when they make decisions for their people on their planet, they make decisions for the good of the all. And they think not one, not two, not three, not four. They think seven generations ahead. The decisions they make, to affect what's going to happen towards the seventh generation of our people. That's how far ahead that they think for the good, for the all. Yeah. Okay.

44:47Speaker 1:Let's see. Here's someone wanted to know if they could actually meet them. I mean, are they folks?

44:55Speaker 2:I'm going to give you, I'm going to give you information. You're going to pull up your paper. You want to meet them? I'm going to tell you how. All right.

45:02Speaker 1:Pay attention to everyone. Yeah.

45:04Speaker 2:As a Ponti say, take a pension. Tony wrote a book called The Telepathy Primer, and it's a very easy read, and it is to teach you how to develop your telepathy. If you want to have extraterrestrial contact, this is what you need to work on, is working on developing your telepathy. So go to the website OfficialFirstContact.com. OfficialFirstContact.com. That's the Ponti's website. The telepathy primer is available in 17 different languages. Most of it is pictures with small words. It's very, it's very easy, quick read, but it tells you about your learning styles, whether you're a visual audio kinetic and your learning style, because telepathy is communicated in multiple different ways.

46:00Speaker 2:It also teach you about communicating on emotional wavelengths. They'll teach you all this kind of stuff. They'll teach you about the amygdala in your brain, turning your headlights on and projecting your consciousness out there. And practice half an hour a day for 100 days, and you will have contact. Now, that contact may only be like you see a star going across the sky. You think it's a star, and you say, blink, blink, and it flashes back at you.

46:30Speaker 2:And that might be as much contact as you're ready for. Until you get to the point like me where they're like banging the back of your couch and saying, hey, what game are you playing? I wouldn't do that move. That's dangerous.

46:44Speaker 1:OK, so I'm not sure what this you may have to put your glasses back on who you operates the other. Your districts, your districts, your districts.

46:59Speaker 2:I don't know, actually. I don't know.

47:01Speaker 1:I don't know what that question means, but I thought you might.

47:04Speaker 2:They're talking about the other bases, because I said there's three or four bases, and they're asking who operates those ones. I don't know much about them, unfortunately. Sorry. But I do know that they are shared amongst many different extraterrestrial star nations, just not the Ponte.

47:26Speaker 1:Okay. Let's see. And... What is the importance of, we brought this up already, what is the importance of music, vibration, harmony, emotion, response? We talked about that.

47:39Speaker 2:Yeah. But also, the Ponte have taught me a lot of things in regards to music itself with melody and tonal language and communicating at different wavelengths. most of my music is recorded at 432 hertz which is a natural which is a natural it's that resonates with the Fibonacci code and golden ratio and also with the sacred geometry 432 um the Ponzi also like music they once tuned my guitars to 528 hertz and I ended up writing a whole bunch of songs on my album Edge of the Black that were recorded at 528 hertz because they wanted me to Go figure. But to give you an idea, they've actually told me how to write some of my music.

48:36Speaker 2:And when I write music, I write melodies that are very catchy. And they explained it to me in regards to tonal languages. In tonal languages, harmonic variations on repeating themes is strongly utilized. Repeating phrases in music are like rhyming phrases in spoken language and allow memorization and accurate retelling of the original story, easier to learn and remember. Besides the intent of emotional sending out beyond the edges of time, your music needs to have an introduction, a climax, and an ending. Use this idea of repeated music phrases and themes so clearly that your audience can easily recall it all the way home and hum it. Your musical writing set the intent of desire to feel it in the story with the physical body of your audience by creating a musical phrase they want to repeat and repeat in their thoughts and memories. And that was written by Tani.

49:43Speaker 2:Those are her words.

49:45Speaker 1:Okay. Here's another music-related question from Polly. Is your music created based on your experiences only? Or do your songs include actual messages from the ETs? And if so, do you know these species? Is that all the pontine, whatever you're calling them?

50:05Speaker 2:Yeah. Some of my songs... Tell stories. Yes, they do tell stories, especially in my last album. But they also, one of the songs I wrote was they had given me a download, a musical download, because Thera up here, her specialty is in the tonal language of the whales and the cetaceans. And she explained to me that the whales speak a complex language tonal telepathic language. And I wanted to know if I could learn this. And so they gave me a download one time and it took me three days to recover from this download. It feels like your brain is like soggy cotton and you're tired and you have to sleep all the time. It was exhausting, but it took me about six months to unlock that download.

51:04Speaker 2:And eventually I was working on the song called a nap. And I was working on the melody of that song. And it kept looping and looping, and it was getting deeper and deeper, and it felt like I was spinning when I was writing it. And after I wrote that melody, I was contacted by Sue Walker 15 minutes later. She said, Tani and Thera just contacted me and told me that the melody that you just wrote, you accessed the tonal language download that they gave you six months ago. And they didn't say anything more than that. I wrote the song.

51:39Speaker 2:And I wrote the melody and I'm listening to the song. And after the sixth listen, I heard that melody had a translation. And it was saying, do you hear me? The language, the tonal language actually said, do you hear me? And I just started crying. I was like, oh, my God, I know what this what I'm saying. I contacted Sue and I said, Sue. That melody that I just wrote, it actually has a translation. It says, do you hear me? And then she typed back. She says, I'm hearing cheering coming from the mountain. They said, you're correct. And they're sending that information back to Thera, who is now situated in the Tasman Sea Base. So, yeah, there's so much more levels to music, a language that can be communicated, and tonal language is also part of it that we can learn. They have so much they can teach us about things. Just blow your mind. They had their official first contact 16 million years ago. They've been traveling the galaxies for 16 million years. Just imagine what they can share with us. Wow.

52:47Speaker 1:Hey, T-Bone, thank you very much for that. And thank you for your comment and everything. So I appreciate that. Yeah, there's some great questions here tonight. I appreciate all your questions. And I'm going to try to get to a couple more of them. We're right toward the end of our show here. Do you think they might be our saviors, or could they just be ambivalent?

53:11Speaker 2:They're not our saviors, and they don't want us thinking of them as our saviors. They're people just like us. They may be a little bit more advanced, but they are so much like us, it's not funny. They joke around. They laugh. They play pranks on me. These walls behind me are covered in chalk, completely covered in chalk, because they come here for the last year and they just start writing with chalk on the walls. And my whole walls are covered in chalk and they keep coming. There's four-figured handprints all along the back wall over back here.

53:56Speaker 2:And on the hallway at the top here, there are actually these glyphs that are written in some kind of strange alien language. I'm not making this shit up, man. One of the symbols looks like an Omega symbol. Another looks like a Superman S. And there's another symbol that looks like two Hershey's Kisses. And then there's another symbol that looks like a Japanese symbol. Like something that was Japanese. I don't know what it means, but I sent it to Grant Cameron.

54:25Speaker 5:And I think he's going to eventually publish a book with this stuff.

54:30Speaker 2:One of the things he's working on.

54:33Speaker 1:I haven't seen... him in a while he's a good guy here's a last question here at the end here why don't they reveal themselves better if they would like to be friends.

54:44Speaker 2:They are revealing themselves but they have to do it very slowly because they can only introduce themselves to the people who are ready and if you look around the planet we have devolved quite a bit just look at the politics in the united states and and the crazy people who you know think that somebody who murders their three children is a hero. Are these people ready for extraterrestrial contact?

55:11Speaker 1:Yeah. Unfortunately, that's what social media will put out there. It causes all this type of revelations that we never really knew before, but the crazy armchair people that have these opinions to go purposely, sometimes against the grain, to make a statement. I kind of like this. Did they evolve with one race in the planet? I'm wondering, what is their planet like? And why are they not paying attention to their planet more and they're paying attention to us?

55:44Speaker 2:That's a good question that you just put there. Because we, us humans, we have a lot of ET DNA in us. We've been tweaked at least 12 times over our history. But the Pawntee explained there are no pure races out there. None. They're all people share genetics with everybody else. There are genetics that are shared with everybody. So many people have shared genetics out there in space. So when they refer to another extraterrestrial nation, sometimes they refer to them as brother, hey, sister, how you doing? In the same sense as how we would say it to a friend of ours that we have a relation to. So genes are shared throughout the galaxy.

56:35Speaker 2:And there are many different types of hybrids out there. We are a hybrid. The Ponte are a hybrid. Everybody's a hybrid. There are no pure races out there.

56:48Speaker 1:All right, well, excellent. So where can people find your website and all that? I think it's linked, but I'll take a look.

56:56Speaker 2:Yes, it's official first contact. Oh, sorry, that's not a link. pyramids on mars.com is my is my website and my radio show can be found at artistfirst.com so if you go to artistfirst.com there's a lot of shows on that network but if you'll see a small you see my picture it says pyramids on mars click on that and it'll take you to my archive page and it has the all 10 years of the interviews and you can click on any of them to download or listen to And I interview experiencers, researchers, hybrids, people who have more ETD.

57:37Speaker 2:I've been doing the show for a long time. So pyramidsonartist.com and artistsfirst.com are the best ones.

57:45Speaker 1:Excellent. Thank you. Interesting conversation. Thank you.

57:47Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you very much. All right.

57:50Speaker 1:All right, everyone. So just remember, we'll be back next Tuesday with Roy Teague from the UK on Police Officer Encounters. And then a week from tonight on the 24th, we have David Beatty and Jimmy Hernandez, and he's going to be talking about his experience on the USS Nimitz during the Tic-Tac encounter. Should be very interesting. Thank you all, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.