Spring Recruiting and Marketing

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0:37Hello everybody. Happy Friday to everybody and welcome to Cub Chat Live. We are joined today by we've had some high-ranking guests on our show before. I don't know we've ever had anyone this high-ranking. Michael Ramsey, How are you, Sir? I'm good, Aaron, how are you? I'm doing very good. Michael and I have known each other for many years, worked alongside each other for many years. He is one of our senior vice presidents, I believe, and we are very, very fortunate to have him on the show today.

1:05Alexander says it's Friday. I agree, Alexander, it is Friday. We called you all together today to talk about spring recruiting and marketing and the benefits of incorporating that into your spring Cub Scout Pack schedule. But Michael, we'd be remiss if we didn't take a few minutes first to address the news of the day. It's been a fun morning at Scouting America. Your thoughts on the news of the day and what and what do you think you could share with our our viewers today?

1:32Sure. Well, Aaron, hey, first of all, thanks for having me on. It's always fun to come talk to you in your, in your audience. You know, we talked about, hey, what are the ways to, to talk to the movement and the people that make scouting really hum And, and, and it's this audience. So thank, thank you all for joining me on a Friday afternoon already. Yeah, it's been a busy Newsday. You may have seen news out of the Pentagon this morning. And I'll give you a little background on it.

1:54You know, we, we've heard rumblings almost a year ago, a little over a year ago that the Pentagon was considering cutting ties with Scotland, I think. And it came out of an NBC story really need like 4 of last year. We did a lot of work with Scotty's congressional. I worked with our caucus in DC, reached out to those folks. They reached out back channel and we were assured that pay no attention. Well, so we heard another rumor about the year and then and then you may have seen a news story in in late November right before Thanksgiving. I know some of the documents by NPR came out kind of on the same thing.

2:33And then we ended up in a meeting in the Pentagon early January. It turns out that there was some discussion from the mega about cutting ties. What does that mean? Well, you know, we have scouts on military bases around the world. So that are that received military fund funding for the military support scout troops and packs bases around bases around the world, which is fantastic for our military families, you know, who are scattered across the world were deployed and scouting to a little bit of America of in your in your far, far away. Certainly the military supports national Jamboreeze, things like that.

3:06So there's lots of of benefits to scouting for the military. We have been working with the military now off and on for for quite some time to work on our relationship. And so today it was announced that you have a meeting to an Moe of the military that allows us to continue to support military families on bases around the world. They'll continue to work with us on supporting the National Scout Jamboree's funding and things like that. You know, we've also, we told the military we, we value our military families so much that we'll, we'll waive things of military family, active duty, guard and reserve.

3:40That's active duty, you know, beginning later this year. Really excited about that because we really want to honor those who've chosen to have served up on trees. It's really important and for some time we have been working on a military service and veterans and very badge which got to be a say HAG that had been in the works as as well as the assistance program even last year. So we've we've from it into the mix. That news came out today. In addition to that, you know, because we received federal funding in federal dollars, we were subject to something called the Executive Order 14173.

4:13We're going to have to make some programmatic changes on that related to to DEI and some things like that's most of those, almost all of those related to the scouts, we say. So that note that news hit today, some people were excited. Some people are concerned that were there was a tweet that came out of the Pentagon a few weeks ago that if you've heard it, you may have wondered if we were being asked to, to kick out girls or kick out people from the scouting.

4:37It's absolutely not true. Nobody's getting kicked out of scouting, nothing like that. Scouting, this is about strengthening 116 year old relationship with our military so we can continue to support military families and provide stability for them as they sort of. So there's some other changes too that I won't, I won't get into here. But I did want to share that with you and her and kind of let you know what's going on in case you've seen kinds of things spin up on the news today, because there's been a lot of it. But I can tell you that Scouting's values aren't changing.

5:07Our commit to the Scout Open Scout Law stands from and certainly not make it so. It's a use and things, so we'll make sure you like you. Yeah. Thank you for that, Michael. To me, the best news is that we're going to be able to continue to serve our families on military bases. That's what a huge support that is and what an honor it is to be able to support those families. We've talked about this before, you know, families who have maybe moved overseas or kids are in unfamiliar areas and they can join Cub Scout packs on their military basement.

5:37What a huge, huge service. And it is an honor that we do that, Alex. And Cub Scouts really doesn't affect the Cub Scout program too much. I don't think, Michael, like you said, there's a a new merit badge for Scouts. PSA. But Cub Scout families? I don't. The message is keep doing what they're doing right. Yeah, absolutely. Listen, that it's, there are, you know, there's some details to the MOU that that we are working through with the Pentagon. Well, you know, one of the positive things in the long term is that there's going to be an liaison, which we've never had between the military, you know, and scouting in America.

6:09And so we think about the the long term opportunities, you know, what else can we do with military families and provide serious things? But also we're we're actually excited about some of those things. So, yeah, there's a, there's a lot of opportunities in here, but absolutely right. I mean, I've talked to, I was talking to Mark Francis, who's the wonderful Scout executive of the Forest Council. You may or may not know we have scouting units in 18 different age nations across the Pacific.

6:38And again, scouting is a little piece of America for those families that are that are scouted across the world. Same for the Transatlantic Council. It's tremendous programs that run at intense of any certainly for military families, but also for expats and and business people that have scattered around the world. So those are incredibly important programs to us. And certainly then there's the National Jamboree. If you've ever been to a Jamboree and seen military support of the Jamboree, I mean, listen, yes.

7:02So you know, they bring they bring the boats and the tanks and the military equipment that have a good time. Scouts love it. And you know, many, many scouts wander peers and military. They they trade the uniforms that they wear for the militaries of our heroes, our military heroes. So you'll see more details about fee waivers and those going forward. I mean this announcement happened today. So this is a fast moving train so people may want a lot of details really quick but here we're working to pull some of those things together and we're getting out just these thanks for it is it is a big bit of busy Newsday.

7:36It's been pretty interesting, but. Exactly. And, and we know you're great. Yeah. And we know you're busy, Michael. So thank you for joining us. We are going to start talking about now why we came here originally. Spring recruiting and marketing. Real quick shout out to Rich from PAC 151 in Scottdale, PA. Good to see you, Rich. Rusty is here from PAC-84 in New Philadelphia. OH, live. Love scouting. Always good to see them. Log on to watch us on YouTube. Alex, good to see you.

8:05Rob says they had a great Friends of Scouting dinner last night. I heard about that, Rob. I heard it was eventful. Tamara, always good to see you on here. Let's see. Well, yeah, Tamara, Christopher, Paul, good to see you. Paul, Dennis, Mark, everybody. Thank you all for joining in today. Michael, let's talk about spring recruiting. I think that most packs that school night for scouting that we have in the fall, that's been around way, way back, even back when I was a Cub master, back when you were a Cub master, you probably had a shouting right?

8:35When elementary school gets back in into session. Spring recruiting might be something that I'm not a lot, a lot of our packs are familiar with. But you know there's no rule that says you can only recruit in the fall, right? Why not? I mean, it's a great time. I mean, listen, as as a parent, as a, as I always joke, a recovering Cubmaster and den leader. By the way, yeah, Cub Master is the best job in the world. I love. I absolutely loved it. We love spring recruitment because, you know, recent day campus coming up, you know, there's all kinds of opportunities.

9:04By the way, mom and dad are thinking about, hey, space going to be out. What are some things that I could do to get them off the couch and get them off of these? You know, and you know, so we don't have what summer learning loss, I think, as they call it. How do we keep them engaged and active? It's got an absolutely fantastic way to do that. And by the way, you should subscribe to Scout Life magazine too, so you can actually, you know, again, get off these and actually read something.

9:30Yep, it subscribed us to Scout Life magazine for sure. Uh, your, you and your kids will love it. You know, a lot of our, a lot of our Scout Life readers, we've learned our parents who read Scout Life magazine because it is so good. Yeah. So the National Council does provide some support for marketing materials and things like that that would allow Cub Scout leaders to promote their packs within their communities. Even though we are in a national level, we do provide materials for local units. Michael, maybe you could talk about that a little bit, the Brand Center and things like that. Yeah.

10:04Absolutely listen if you haven't. If you haven't found the Brand Center, go out and search for Scouting Nerd, the Brand Center on Google or from whatever you're on. I mean, you'll find the link to the brand center. That's where we put all of our marketing assets and resources, videos and logos. And I was, I was actually on the site last night. You know, there were actually cut scouting bookmarks if you wanted to run through your printer, print your pack name on the back, which you can talk to QR code on it if you want.

10:28I mean, there's all kinds of really cool things and assets. Brace yourself. There's a lot there. You could spend a lot of time looking at all the cool stuff from videos. I mean, if you're looking at photographer for photography to drop on something, it's all there. By the way, it's all free. You can log in, download the assets and materials. Pro tip, if you go into the site, you can actually log on to the site. And there's more what we actually share on the front page.

10:53So if you're looking for additional photo assets and things like that, you know, take the time to to log into the site and we can get more than what you send. Yeah, it it's a terrific tool. And also the way to kind of shop for ideas of things that other people have done a lot of things that are on the site and lots and lots and lots of tough scout with new materials that show boys and girls and all, all kinds of great assets and resources related to the outdoors. But you also see things that you put up there that you had called me and said, Hey, I made this great postcard or that bookmarks are actually something that came from the field. We get those and go, Oh, it is cool. We clean it up and post it on the so it's it's a really fun, cool resources for shopping for ideas. Absolutely shout out to our friend Amy, who in our office maintains the Grand Center and does a great job with that. Yes, doing doing the Lord's work. Alex points out.

11:48I think that spring is the best time to recruit because camp is right around the corner. Alex, we're going to talk about this later, but since you brought it up, I think we should talk about it now. Yeah, spring is a great sort of springboard into summer camp or any whatever summer season you do. Maybe you could talk about that real quick, Michael, if if you do recruit some new members in in April and May, the importance of giving them something to do in June, July summer camp is one option, but it's not the only option. Your thoughts?

12:15No, listen again, we we always man, sometimes great, we get outside, you get to run around. You know, we did everything from park clean out. This is a little bit of a service project to hey, it's the pizza party, right? We we billion at the local park. You know, we would do, you know, sometimes we use stand parties, you know, they join and the risk is that, hey, listen, we've all been right. It's May school's about to be out and you know, you've been actually cut standing all year long.

12:42Everybody kind of hits a deep breath and sometimes you don't get back to them. So it's time for you to start. Our strategy was always, hey, let's do something once a month. And again, maybe it's a pool party, maybe it's a pizza party or whatever, some way to keep them involved in the program. Maybe it's a hike early in the morning and Texas before it gets hot. Like, you know, get out and do something, pick up some crap, have a good time. And so everybody actually don't lose them during the summer.

13:06Find some fun too high. And certainly, you know, if there's a cub camp or a resident camp, something like that, certainly we could ban you those things. But yeah, I, I think staying engaged in the summer is, is a great way to and hey, I think you can do creative look for things outdoors again, how to get off of these and get outside and we'll meet you at the park and we're going to do something. I got a rainbow or we got it. If you still got one of those later on, I mean. Yeah, yeah.

13:36When we talk about summer activities, I do want to make it clear we're not saying that you have to meet every week or something like that. People are traveling, people are on vacation. Your Cubmaster, your den leaders are probably going to be traveling on vacation. Set up a play date at the park, the water, maybe a water park, something like that, a swimming, a swimming event, something like that. All kinds of options. Just one event per month is kind of what we suggest to keep kids engaged and really build up that momentum going into fall. 4th of July's coming up. I mean, is there a parade to March in as a pack, right? I mean, he's got to put up with all kinds of it's Christmas in July.

14:09I don't know. You can be creative with it. I mean, the Pet Scout's all about family fun and friends, right? You can always come up with something fun to you assign somebody to bring the cups and somebody to bring the whatever it is. And by the way, we're also an America 250 partner scouting America is. So it's a great opportunity to go out and find something to do to give back to to the community again, whether it's, you know, whether it's it's feet up or something like that. I would absolutely, absolutely.

14:38Yeah, and you know, we've mentioned this before. Cub Scout leaders, when we get into the summer, you might be thinking that you could use a break from all this. We get it. I remember Michael, when I was a Cub master, I had a dad come up to me and our community was having a 4th of July parade and they asked if we could participate. And I said, well, unfortunately I was going to be traveling on vacation with my family that week, would you mind leading it? And he guess what he said absolutely. And it went off fine.

15:03You know, I kind of shared our our parade safety rules, got them registered and everything like that. They had a great time. I saw the photos. It was amazing. So yeah, don't feel like if you're the Cub master or the den leader that you have to do all that yourself. Feel free to recruit another parent who's around to do something like that. Most likely you have someone who's available and willing to do that for you. Mark, I want to bring that attention. Marks post.

15:25We host an ice cream social open house the last Thursday night before the end of the school year. Mark, thank you for bringing that up. That brings me to another question for you, Michael, on, you know, we're all sort of conditioned to these recruiting events that we have in the fall. You can't host a a recruiting event in the spring should you choose to. But I think what a lot of packs have is things like an ice cream, social, things like that, that are open.

15:50Make Michael, maybe you could talk about that. We sort of call that maybe passive recruiting, right, where you just host an event that's open to the community, open to other families in your neighborhood. Lo and behold, if they ask about joining, that's great. Absolutely, absolutely right. Listen, I mean, nobody likes to be sold so right. I don't think we do that with pet scouts. But hey, if it's it's come down, visit a good time, you know, again, it's family fun and friends. You're really joining a community with people who care about their kids.

16:17They want to do something fun together. Absolutely ice cream, social supporting, I don't know, seriously. I mean, maybe you drag the Pinewood Derby track out and do something fun like that. Absolutely. I think it doesn't always have to be a there's a flyer and come down and come last year, Michael, it makes you speak to the front of the room boring like it's something fun. And again, I would find a way to make it fun, make it Cub Scouty. And here's another note too.

16:43I think one of the things that we see sometimes in our in our, but we do surveys of people who, you know, unfortunately have left Cub Scouting, right, Scouting in general and may not have felt welcomed sometimes, which means that you may have all seen it go to a meeting and the people that know each other are already in the corner. And maybe maybe you forget to go to the shops saying hi to that new person. I'd be very intentional extending your hand and saying, hey, welcome to get up Scouting. We're so glad you're here.

17:09This is going to be great. And by the way, I love the ideas that you said, Aaron. Don't make them Pat treasure at the first meeting. Give me something fun to do. Hey, can you bring orange slices to the next meeting, you know, and see if they're stepping up to their leadership. Leadership. That's yeah. Bring them in, make sure they feel welcomed, communicate with them. We'll know when the next meeting is. It's absolutely a community of people that care about Vincent and we should follow them again.

17:38Yep, absolutely. Alexander points out that by participating in a couple of activities over the summer, the Summertime Adventure Award. Very cool. Jim says they do a bike rodeo. That sounds like a great idea. Yeah. Let's talk. Let's get a little bit more into that. Maybe, Michael, you know, I think that our philosophy as an organization over the last 20 years about recruiting new members has changed a little bit for the better. I remember again, it's a long time ago, Michael, but I remember being taught this very, very aggressive pitch to get people to join. And I think we've learned, but that doesn't really always work. What you end up with is some parents who feel kind of pressured and that, you know, they maybe didn't really want to join.

18:19It's much better just to sort of tell them what you do right, Just sort of go over. Here's what we do in Cub Scouts. I I wonder your thoughts on on how we would. Do, and you know, there was a study that was done years ago, I think it was in Florida and it was they, they actually worked for the IT was a college group and they visited join Scouting night meetings. This is the cloud of summer. They used to join Scouting night and, and one of the feedback from people that came to our joint study night meetings and they would see us in our uniforms with all of our knots, you know, and the upwards and the whole, the whole thing and their and their, their impression was it's a little bit inseminating because, you know, it's, it could be an intimidating if you don't know what it is, you know, And then the other impression was, wow, a lot of people work here.

19:02Well, OK, wait, yeah, we're all, we're all volunteer leaders. We're all somebody who's dad or mom, right. So I think you're right. I think making sure that it's it's friendly and it comes across in the right way. The the that study actually said, you know, it shouldn't say a master on this field. It's a so they know that this is, I believe both it's right and it's much more welcome. Yeah. Wear a golf shirt. Wear that Cub Scout shirt if you've got it from from Outfitters. But yeah, I think there's a there's a way to welcome people into your a small community, which is what my clips got. Pat blood raise parents of the law all. Right, absolutely.

19:43Shout out to Andrew. We talked early about the Transatlantic Council, Andrea from Troop 164, Symbach. Michael, do you know where Symbach? You know what that is? I don't, but I'm going to go Google it after. This Andrea, tell us what's I'm I'm probably pronouncing it wrong, but Andrea, tell us where that is. So glad that you found us today. Andrea is watching on YouTube. By the way, we are live on YouTube. In addition to Facebook and we are also a podcast for all of you who don't know that you can always go back and listen to this on your jog, during your workout, on your commute, to your, to your, to school, to whatever it is. We appreciate you all joining us. Yeah, Michael.

20:20So again, the topic of today's show, spring recruiting and marketing. Let's talk about social media a little bit if you could, Michael, not social media is, is ironically not something that I was always comfortable with when I was a Cub Scout leader. It was weird posting about our Cub Scout pack, things like that. There are some folks who fully, fully embrace social media. What have we learned about best practices and and things that are good to post and share on social media when it comes to marketing your pack in your community?

20:51Yeah, well, that's a really great question. And yeah, I mean there and there's all kinds of aspects we can talk about. But first of all, I think social media is a it's a great it's a great way to build awareness of, of your of your pack and what's going on in scouting in your in your community. And every time I have a make a presentation about social media, someone races in hand and it make me very insightful comment that, you know, you can't market your kids on social media. Yes, you're absolutely right.

21:15You're talking to parents, you want to make sure they're aware of the cool, fun things that Cub Scouts get to do in programs and invite them to come down and be part of the event here. So I think it's, it's definitely OK to post the cool pictures of your rocket Derby or the Pinewood Derby or whatever you're doing. We are always very careful. Like I, I tell people every chance to get opportunity. Definitely let families know if we're going to take a picture of of Cub Scouts and put them on your social media channels.

21:44Been been doing this for years. And yes, maybe they've signed a photo release as part of their application of joint scouting. But sometimes there's situations where parents for whatever reason, they just don't need to be found. They don't want to pick Scout is courteous. I would just ask, hey, I'm going to post this on our Facebook feeds or Instagram or whatever you want. I would definitely let them know because there may be a virgin, but you know, our experience over the past two years of doing outbound social media marketing on on Instagram, Facebook, certainly. And tip top is that it's very effective in building awareness because you know, these these platforms are very good at understanding what what we like, what we watch, what we tune into and, and quite frankly, it's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing too.

22:32I would definitely use it to go to wearing some interest. We've we used it. Some of you may remember several years ago we were quoting something called Geo fencing. If you've got an organizational page for you in your club scout pack, you can actually, you know, set an event and then if you put a Dollar Tree behind it, you know, people will let you reach a large audience and let them know that joint study night's happening, you know, at the studio.

22:55Powerful quality. I would definitely use it. But again, I wouldn't go in assuming that you're that you're, you know, talking to a child because you're not shouldn't visit the right. There's another thing I think also, Michael, that we have to be careful about assuming before I ask you about that, I want to say Andrea is in Kaiser's, Kaiser's Laturn. I'm saying that wrong. Germany, though. Andrea's in Germany and Rich says Gutentag. Andrea, thank you for watching.

23:24I don't wonder what time it is there. Andrea, you're up in the Northern Eye. I don't know. Thanks for joining us though. Very cool. Another thing that we've learned, Michael, over the years is that a lot of the parents that we talked to now that we recruit do not have a background in scouting. They were scouts themselves, so they don't know things that we often need for granted. What's a pack, what's a den, what is Philmont, what's an Eagle Scout? I wonder if you could talk about best ways to communicate with young parents these days who do not have a background in scouting but they're interested in learning. More Aaron, I love that.

23:55In fact, you this the best audience radio. This group probably knows we have something called the Language of Scouting, right? Which actually started off as a tool that our publishing departments used here years ago that to find, you know what isn't it? And you know, it's a very, but it's like 88, it's like 88 pages. It's like single spaced, you know, 8 point type. It's a, it's a very densely volume. But what it is, it's targeted if you look at it. And I did a focus group several years ago, Aaron, that we were talking to, we were talking to parents who were not Cub Scout parents.

24:28We wanted to get their impressions with the program and what many of them said, you know, one mom pulled me aside later and she said, you know, even when you use terms like if that at that time it was BSA and said that's if you don't know what BSA is, that's that's jargon. We don't know what that stands there. So it's a great point. Again, it's kind of like showing up with our uniforms and all of our stuff that you're talking about the pack and the big committee.

24:51And so it would be a little intimidating, right, to welcome people into, you know, it's our amazing organization. Yeah, I would be careful with that kind of stuff just so you don't fit them up even with the means that they they know what it means and maybe too embarrassed to ask. Yeah, hold down right. Hold them down easy, bring them in, and then, you know, then you can bring them up to speed and all that stuff inside. But it's a great point. Right, Yeah, I, I think one of the best ways to recruit Cub Scout families is by just telling them what you do as a Cub Scout pack. Just do the things you do.

25:22Camping, fishing, bike riding, hiking, whatever it is service, just tell them what you do. That's the best recruiting tool. And to that point there, you know, we, again, we, we talk to families a lot about what we, you know, this is like developing recruitment Flyers. You know, and we would do things like we'd bring in, you know, kids and their parents and we show them various, you know, mock ups and different kinds of Flyers. This won't surprise you at all.

25:46But every, every, yeah, boy or girl, they all want to go fishing. This is but for the vast majority, they want to go fishing, they want to run beach s'mores, they want to have a campfire, they want to go camping. Listen, yeah, I think you're absolutely right. We talked about the cool things that Cub Scouts get to do. Maybe they would treat something to do some great conversations about. How about, hey, we Join Now we get the fall camp retailing lot, but they're giving it like get you booming and we're going to go. Very cool, very cool.

26:17We are winding down our discussion with Michael Ramsey about spring recruiting and marketing. A few more quick shout outs. Elf 77 from pack five O 6 in Huntington Beach, CA Mark Valley Forge pack 81. Good to see you Fear the Spear 3O5 says Instagram has been an incredible tool and their host city repost everything we do. A shout out to the city of Homestead for supporting that pack. That's very, very cool. One of the many advantages of having a healthy relationship with your local community is they can not even on purpose, they can help you promote your pack by sharing stuff on their social media channels. Michael, this has been an excellent discussion as we wrap things up today.

26:56Again, any final thoughts on spring recruiting and marketing? Again, we're not asking everyone to, you know, have a whole nother recruiting event, though you can do that if you want to just sort of bring it to people's attention. Hey, spring is a good time to add new members. Michael, any final thoughts before we let you go? Well, like I said earlier, I think it's spring is a great time because I know that mom, I always did, you know, you're always thinking, hey, what are my kids going to do this summer?

27:24Hey, sign up for Count Scouts. It's a terrific time to get involved in Count Scouts and do the fun things to do throughout the summer. And you know, I know as a unit leader, council's busy. My district executive was always busy. You know, I didn't wait for them to come by and say, hey, we got a, we got a viewer event. We just did it. And sometimes it was raising the flight in front of the school or or something like that, that we just provided visibility because that's so very important.

27:48I think it's up to us, to our own units. That's what we always did and we all can do it to you in summer time isn't great so. It's almost a 2 step process. Invite new folks to join in the spring and then do two or three activities during the summer to, to keep them engaged. It doesn't have to be like, you know, you don't have to be earning adventures or electives or anything like that. Just do something fun. Really build up that momentum in the fall when you have your school night for scouting or whatever it might be. And then you're off and running Michael and then it just, it's just one hour a week after that.

28:19So it's absolutely. Thanks again everyone. It is the best. Hour of the week. It is. It is 100% right. Well, the best 30 minutes of the week is right here during Cub Chat Live. Alex says have an elevator pitch for around 5 minutes. Agree, that sounds like that sounds like a good idea. Just sort of have your pitch ready to go. I want to say thank you to everyone in the comments by the way, and I mean everyone. Thank you all for commenting and sharing your opinions for the day. Michael, we're going to let you go again. Any final thoughts you want to comment? Anything else on the news of the day? Anything else you'd like to share with our viewers? No, nothing else to say.

28:55I mean, this is a bit of fast moving train and I'll just say, you know, keep watching official announcements from Scouting America. You may see all kinds of things from different sides. I would I would listen to what's coming out from from from scouting America and, you know, not listening to both sides, the political equations that are going on that we have to deal with these days. But listen, Scouting stood by our Scouter and Scout Law and we can maybe do some. Thanks everybody, have a good weekend. Absolutely.

29:25Yeah. For those of you who missed it, Steven says asking if we're going to comment. Go back, Steven. We addressed it at the very beginning of our show today. Or you can all go back to the beginning when we're done here and watch that. Thank you all for watching. And again, thank you all for commenting. We do appreciate it. Enjoy the weekend, Michael. Thanks for your time today. I know you're busy. We'll see you all later. That's good. Thanks everybody.

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