Ed & Red! - Epi 239 - Nerf IQ?

0:00Speaker 1:The views expressed in the following program or those of the participants, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Saga nine sixty am or its management.

0:15Speaker 2:Hello Leah, Hello Ed, how are you doing? Last week? I think it? What was it? Blade Bae?

0:25Speaker 3:No, this is more I don't even have the energy. Yeah this week?

0:29Speaker 2:All right?

0:30Speaker 4:Well that uh, I don't know what to say to such a sound effect.

0:34Speaker 2:To be honest with you, it's.

0:35Speaker 3:Just this weather's been messing with me.

0:39Speaker 2:You and everybody else.

0:40Speaker 5:Oh it, it's like that already, like and I mean, I'm glad the weather's somewhat warmer, but the fluctuations.

0:53Speaker 3:I mean, it's up and down.

0:56Speaker 6:It's above freezing, it's below freezing, it's above freezing, it's below freezing.

0:59Speaker 3:It's raining. It's I think it's raining. It's sunny. It's snowing like it's like you know that movie La Story.

1:05Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, Steve, Yeah, and you know he was.

1:08Speaker 6:The weatherman, yes, and he was just like throwing things on the board.

1:14Speaker 3:It made no sense.

1:15Speaker 6:Yeah, yeah, you know, sixty five degrees in snow like that, that's what this weather is like.

1:21Speaker 2:You know. David Letterman, in his early career was a weatherman in Indiana and he was fired for saying in a weather fore cast that they were gonna be I think it was hail the size of basketballs.

1:38Speaker 3:He was fired for that. Yeah, why does it freaked people out?

1:42Speaker 2:Yes, it was Indiana.

1:45Speaker 4:I don't know what kind of sense of humor they have collectivity there, but I bet a lot of farmers freaked out.

1:50Speaker 2:I guess.

1:52Speaker 3:But that's obviously hyperbolic.

1:54Speaker 2:Yeah, I think.

1:55Speaker 4:I think when someone does something like that, they don't want to work there anymore.

2:01Speaker 3:I I guess. I don't know. It's this some people like some jobs. People it's a no fun zone.

2:10Speaker 2:Yeah.

2:11Speaker 4:I mean there's a lot of places like Okay in some cases, I understand it, but there ought to always be like a like you know, like a trauma center or something like that. There should always be opportunities for for laughs, you know, inappropriate times and places, because otherwise it just wears your psyche ray down.

2:31Speaker 6:I I even find like in my own content, I'll and I hate lamp shading jokes cause it just feels cheap, but I feel like I have to do it. Like I say something I think is obviously not literal, and then I think ah, better put in that was just a joke or that was not literal.

2:52Speaker 3:Just to be careful.

2:53Speaker 2:You know what you need, you need, you need one of these, that's what you need. What was that? The uh didn't?

3:01Speaker 3:Oh, I don't know that. First of all, that's post production or production production. But secondly it's just.

3:13Speaker 2:Everything.

3:14Speaker 3:It just feels like this is.

3:15Speaker 6:Why we can't have nice things territory on so many, so many levels.

3:20Speaker 4:Nice things were very very much pre twenty nineteen, I think anyway, well.

3:25Speaker 3:I disagree, it was getting worse before.

3:27Speaker 4:That, yeah, but that was the very very end there was we still could have kind of quasi nice.

3:33Speaker 6:No, I don't think we've been able to have nice things since like two thousand and eight.

3:38Speaker 2:All right, well yeah, because that's when I left much music and so around then.

3:44Speaker 4:So yeah, that's when that's when the world entered up phase of darkness.

3:48Speaker 3:I was referring to the subprime mortgage thing.

3:51Speaker 2:But okay, hey you say tomato.

3:54Speaker 4:Anyway, this week, yesterday, in fact, I went out to visit the little hamlet of Newcastle on Tia. Have you ever heard of Newcastle?

4:07Speaker 2:I have where? Where? Where would you have heard of Newcastle?

4:11Speaker 3:Well, it's in the Nagar area, isn't it.

4:13Speaker 2:No, No, it's near Bowmanville.

4:17Speaker 3:Oh what am I thinking of?

4:18Speaker 2:Then? Not this?

4:19Speaker 3:It's a very British sounding name, like newcastles. Yeah, well yeah, like.

4:24Speaker 4:I like, where was Oldcastle? But anyway, I guess it was castle in.

4:28Speaker 6:The Castlecastle and it's like the castle I used to go to.

4:32Speaker 4:Yes, So anyway, it's Uh, it's about an hour and ten minutes from from the the angre Law, my home, and it's it's interesting because you drive, you get off.

4:48Speaker 2:The highway and you drive quite a while down this road.

4:52Speaker 4:There's basically a country road and there's nothing on either side.

4:56Speaker 2:Occasionally a house will pop.

4:58Speaker 4:Up, but mostly there's nothing, like it's farmer's fields and nothing. And then all of a sudden there's this town and it's a nice it's a very nice looking town. I will say that the stuff that's new has been made to blend in with the more classic architecture of the place. So it's it's got a really nice modern museum and drug and shoppers, drug mart and all that.

5:25Speaker 2:But it's very very nice. And uh, it's it's a Bucolic went out to.

5:32Speaker 4:See a nighttime neighbor, which is which is what I refer to my audience on the Overnight Show as because she had a while ago she talked about in a call making apple crisp, and it kind of is a joke. I said, well, where's mine, And it became a thing where she actually made apple crisp so that I could have some, and I kind of felt responsible. Then well, I better go out and have some because it was my big mouth. And so I went out and met Thelma from Newcastle, sixty five year old, retired grandmother and very nice, very nice apple crisp, very sweet. So I didn't have any troublestick awake for the ride home. But the thing is, like, that's one of the Newcastle is one of those little towns that, up until I don't know, less than ten years ago, gave me hives Like the I would think about what would we like to live there, and I would trigger a gag grayflex because I was so comfortable in the suburbs that I had grown up in and then continued to live in afterwards. But now I'm like, this is a nice, little, quaint little town.

6:46Speaker 4:But because I grew up on action TV shows of the seventies and eighties. I'm always afraid, Like I drive completely the speed limit because I'm always afraid somewhere underneath this friendly little town there's a corrupt sheriff.

7:03Speaker 2:There was always corrupt sheriffs.

7:05Speaker 4:All through the seventies and eighties on on action TV shows, who would like throw you in, throw you in jail, and you had to break out somehow like kit would get you out or something, and then you, you know, you round him up, and he always had corrupt deputies. And I'm like, you know what, I don't have a talking car, so I'd better just go the speed limit, right.

7:29Speaker 6:I think it's funny that that was where the kind of like danger went. Because you're talking at absitting, You're thinking, I am so careful who I give my address too.

7:44Speaker 3:It's so different the decision making for men and women.

7:49Speaker 4:It's also different in that where when you were you and I and others were growing up, there was the White Page's phone Book where they could get your address, your phone number by looking up your name.

8:03Speaker 7:See it's funny because to me, it's that tiny little possibility that something could go wrong, not that I think it will, but that it might.

8:17Speaker 6:And every time something when when you're a woman to take risks like that and it doesn't go great, Like why did you do it? What were you thinking? You should be more careful?

8:28Speaker 2:And blame?

8:30Speaker 6:Well, we talk all about victim blame, but people still do it.

8:35Speaker 4:I think in those cases it's because people are so upset that about what happened to you, but do not know how to process that properly.

8:45Speaker 6:It's also women are supposed to sit and be quiet and let people take care of us, and I can't stand that.

8:53Speaker 2:Well, yeah, that's very much not you.

8:57Speaker 6:Well, it's an absolutely stifled existence, and you know it's it's given rise to society prefers women rhetoric in you know, the manosphere and stuff like that, and it's just it's not true. This idea that you were supposed to spend your entire life inert is just so unfair.

9:19Speaker 2:For second, there, I thought you said in NERF.

9:22Speaker 3:I mean that's pretty cool.

9:24Speaker 8:Well it's kind of almost the same thing, but that could be that could be what the alien if there's like a Project Hail Joseph sequel to Project Hail Mary look like a NERF ball instead of a rock.

9:38Speaker 2:NERF has sort of fallen out of out of favor? What do you think about?

9:42Speaker 4:Well, how often do you hear about nerf hoops anymore? You know the little basketball the little basketball net you'd put on the back of a door, and you'd have the little orange nerf ball and.

9:53Speaker 2:You toss it through the through the hoop.

9:55Speaker 4:Nowadays, I mean, the most recent nerf thing that I know about is those NERF guns.

10:01Speaker 2:They're like, yeah in a while, either.

10:06Speaker 3:Oh, I see them all the time.

10:08Speaker 2:Where would you see nerf guns all the time?

10:11Speaker 3:Steampunk?

10:12Speaker 2:But where do you even see steampunk anymore?

10:15Speaker 3:Pictures?

10:17Speaker 2:Okay, picture, but not you don't encounter it in.

10:20Speaker 3:Count They have they have nerf water toys. Now, it's kind of cool. It's like this jellyfish that propels into the air on water.

10:29Speaker 2:What nerf is a foam thing? Water doesn't? What's water?

10:34Speaker 3:You go to the nerf I'm on the nerf website.

10:37Speaker 2:All right, let's do this. Then let's go to the nerve r.

10:40Speaker 3:Oh it's the super soaker. Bro Okay, so it's combining nerf and super soaker. I see what it?

10:49Speaker 9:So?

10:49Speaker 4:Wait, how does this work? You can shoot the nerf like that a little nerve darts or water.

10:55Speaker 3:No, he's like.

10:56Speaker 6:This jellyfish looking thing that I guess you hook up to a hose and it's spins around.

11:01Speaker 3:It's kind of neat. He looks kind of looks a bit like you ed, kind of adorably angry.

11:06Speaker 2:Okay, I can't find it. Where is it?

11:08Speaker 3:You can't find it?

11:09Speaker 2:What is it? NERF dot com?

11:11Speaker 6:No air, I'll I'll show you show me.

11:17Speaker 2:We're talking at audio.

11:18Speaker 3:I'll show you. Well, I'll show metaphorically, show.

11:23Speaker 4:You, oh little thing popped up that you in the zoom meeting.

11:28Speaker 2:Okay, here I go, and Okay, it's kind of weird.

11:33Speaker 4:NERF used to be like sports stuff, you know, sports game stuff, Nerve football. Now it's all military grade crap. Where is this jellyfish thing? That's but that isn't really NERF. There's no foam in volment.

11:51Speaker 3:Do you not see the resemblance to your own shining visage?

11:54Speaker 2:Though?

11:56Speaker 3:Look at that adorable, grumpy little face.

11:59Speaker 4:There's a there's a passing resemblance. He It looks kind of like a cross with maybe me and Oscar the Grouch.

12:08Speaker 6:Yeah, kinda with a bit of anger from inside out thrown in.

12:12Speaker 4:I love the pictures of these kids being thrilled to death with this stuff. They're playing out in their yard, and you know, you know, like this is staged because as soon as the camera turns off from these kids being video and having fun with this or still pictures, the kids grab their phones and just shove their face in their phone.

12:32Speaker 6:I I kind of like the picture of the I don't know if it's an older sister or a mother who's like, I want no part of this.

12:38Speaker 2:Oh yeah, well yes for those are know theres.

12:40Speaker 4:It looks like it's supposed to be a I think maybe I'm not sure if it's a very very young mother because the girl, the young girl looks about nine eight or nine. But yeah, the mother is standing back with.

12:54Speaker 2:Like her her hands.

12:56Speaker 4:Raised, like a defensive position, as if someone's approaching with a knife and they're like, hey, calm down, everything's okay, like.

13:04Speaker 2:That kind of thing.

13:06Speaker 4:But she and she's got a smile that doesn't seem legitimate. This is shop dot Hasbro dot com slash e n dash us slash NERF to go to the shop has Bro if you want to follow along with us at home. Yeah, her smile is not convincing me. The little girl appears quite happy to me.

13:26Speaker 6:It looks like the background of the home with the trees, and then the adult person and the kid person. Like the color temperature on the photos isn't even the same. It's like they've slapped them together from different sources.

13:44Speaker 4:Then there's Hopin' Chump, which is this little shark thing you hook up to a hose spray of water.

13:52Speaker 2:That one doesn't look like me.

13:53Speaker 6:And if you scroll down, there's like Dino Squad barnship like Minecraft and rob Loocks and Fortnite and stuff.

14:03Speaker 4:Before then as I scrolled down, I see this kid who's probably about for fifteen, you figure, holding this machine gun of NERF that has a magazine that sticks like that runs down with tons of those darts and he's but he's wearing safety glasses.

14:23Speaker 6:Well that's in case you'd take a NERF dart in the eye, you've gotta beat.

14:27Speaker 3:They all have safety glasses.

14:29Speaker 2:If you notice, NERF never required safety glasses. That was the thing about NERF.

14:35Speaker 6:Well they've gotten well, there was a lawsuit things happened, but that that got I was looking at that going that end series gun that looks pretty good. I'd like to spraypaint that and make it steampunk.

14:45Speaker 2:It looks fine as it is. It's the function, but.

14:48Speaker 6:It's like kind of a snubnose, so you could add like a cool like attachment.

14:54Speaker 4:Wait, wait, what is this gel fire? Do you see this jelfire blasting?

15:01Speaker 7:Yeah?

15:02Speaker 3:I'm not sure what that is.

15:04Speaker 2:I was thinking, you know what it is.

15:05Speaker 6:It's, uh, the washy traded rounds that burst on impact and deliver high performance blasting to ignite.

15:14Speaker 3:I guess it's like paintball, only nerf.

15:16Speaker 2:That's the way I deliver.

15:17Speaker 4:Yeah, it's like nerve paintball. Yeah, this is baby's first paintball. It's uh yeah, Okay. You know what's disturbing to me, and it's probably just accidental. The photographs of the boys holding the munitions. The first two I see are black kids.

15:37Speaker 3:What the heck are we doing? We're just describing a website and okay.

15:42Speaker 4:Then you go down further there's a much younger black kid with like a beginner machine gun.

15:48Speaker 2:Nerf thing. Why are all the kids?

15:51Speaker 4:Okay, if you go lower, you'll see some white kids, but the first ones you see her like black kids with weapons?

15:57Speaker 2:What is that? In America?

15:59Speaker 4:No thing is by accident, the sad the Dino squad gun is fairly cool looking.

16:07Speaker 2:I would agree, Yeah.

16:08Speaker 3:I closed the window because I'm like, what are we doing?

16:12Speaker 2:Why? Like, why are you asking that? Now? Have you never heard this show before?

16:15Speaker 6:I caught myself like, even by our standards, this is kind of ADHD.

16:21Speaker 4:And there's like roadblocks NERF so like you can make it like NERF has the weapons that you make in Minecraft and stuff like that.

16:32Speaker 2:Swords.

16:33Speaker 6:To those listening, you will note I have attempted multiple times to get the conversation back onto a track that is somewhat more topical and interesting to anyone but at an eye.

16:47Speaker 4:But fourteen fourteen plus NERF Rival blasters and high impact NERF Rival rounds built for velocity and precision in competitive games. And the kid looks actually, the kid looks like a bit of a psycho, like six. Actually, the look on this kid's face, this kid's a school shooter waiting to happen.

17:11Speaker 3:Let's not let's not say things like that.

17:13Speaker 2:It's disturbing.

17:15Speaker 3:This is one of those things.

17:16Speaker 4:He doesn't look like he's having fun, Like these high velocity rounds they're talking about.

17:20Speaker 2:The other kids look like they're like, it's fun. They got a smile. This kid looks like it's serious.

17:27Speaker 6:This is one of those things that I said before. You have to say you are not saying it literally?

17:34Speaker 2:What do you mean? I think he looks like a loose Kennon.

17:40Speaker 3:What does that look like though?

17:41Speaker 4:Ed a face that's a mix of determination and lack of any human emotion and a grim The mouth is set in a grim position.

17:56Speaker 3:Maybe he just has resting grim face.

17:59Speaker 2:He very well, But why they chose to use that guy? Again?

18:02Speaker 4:Nothing's accidental with a company like Hasbro, like they they workshop all this stuff, So why did they want this guy with the high velocity, high impact grounds look like he's dangerous.

18:16Speaker 3:Which ones are you talking about?

18:19Speaker 2:What does the matter? You left? He left the website.

18:21Speaker 3:What the nerf rival are you talking about?

18:24Speaker 2:At the bottom? Yeah, nerf rival? Yeah? That kid ginger kid. Yeah, he looks nuts.

18:32Speaker 3:He's a ginger kid.

18:34Speaker 4:No, no, no, look at that. Look at the look in his eye, the glint in his eye. He means business.

18:43Speaker 3:Look at hy squinty. Probably because he's outside and he's a ginger.

18:48Speaker 2:He's ware.

18:49Speaker 4:Okay, so he's outside that Gingers don't tend to see son. But if you notice even the picture, it's actually overcast in the outside.

18:56Speaker 2:So shouldn't be bothering him.

18:58Speaker 4:He's got like that Clint Eastwood glint in one eye, and he's looking in the distance like he's formulating thoughts.

19:07Speaker 2:It's very disturbing me.

19:09Speaker 3:The scariest one is the girl. These are children. We shouldn't be doing this.

19:14Speaker 4:I'm gonna stop, Okay, But rival guy is not really a child anymore. He's probably about He looks like it could be between sixteen and nineteen.

19:22Speaker 3:Well, kaylor Green looks also possibly more teenager. But these are still very young people.

19:30Speaker 6:But you know, I am not judging the appearance of minors.

19:35Speaker 4:These other kids are smiling like for them, this is just fun and that's fine. That's the message you're sending is this is fun. Have some fun with this. Okay, it seems like good, clean fun. That kid bothers me the other one. All right, anyway, we should perhaps go to a break and come back and figure out what we're gonna talk about the rest of the show.

19:53Speaker 6:Yeah, the mental health of young people because of social media.

19:59Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that lawsuit. Yeah, yeah, you see how I took us there. It's almost like I planned it.

20:06Speaker 3:Oh yeah, you took us there.

20:08Speaker 2:Well, I brought us to a place that you have thought it ingle handedly. Well, no, you of course ably assisted me.

20:16Speaker 3:It's gonna be one of these shows.

20:18Speaker 2:They all are. Okay, back after this.

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20:30Speaker 11:All right, Landmark case, Well maybe all right.

20:41Speaker 2:I don't know I expert in this stuff and what it means, so tell us.

20:44Speaker 6:There are so many of these cases and they don't refer to names.

20:50Speaker 3:Very much, so it's hard to tell which one this is.

20:54Speaker 6:There were two. There was one in New Mexico and one in I believe Los Angeles.

21:01Speaker 2:All right, what kind of cases bait?

21:03Speaker 6:Well, the one in Los Angeles, a person who is now twenty sued Meta and YouTube. I think there were others at the time, but they all settled. That might be another case though, but childhood addiction to social media harmed the young person's mental health. And what's amazing. I mean Meta owns Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp, Google owns YouTube, so that actually Alphabet owns.

21:37Speaker 3:YouTube at the same company.

21:38Speaker 12:Yeah, but what they had to prove was that Meta and Alphabet intentionally built addictive social media platforms that it was reasonable to assume would harm.

21:56Speaker 4:So they employed like I don't know, like sciencests and so on, and marketing people to use tactics which have been proven to lead potentially to addictive behavior.

22:11Speaker 6:Well, a lot of internal messaging at Meta came out during the trial and they actually weighted damages. So they were awarded three million dollars in this one. The new Mexico verdict was much larger, but three million dollars. Meta is seventy percent responsible according to this jury.

22:36Speaker 3:Google is only thirty percent.

22:40Speaker 4:Oh, I know it, I guess because Meta has more of those those particular tools Instagram and WhatsApp that could lead to addictive I mean you Meta could YouTube? Really yeah, YouTube could be addictive, I think in the same way that I used to sit on a couch and just flip through to see what was on TV.

22:59Speaker 6:But well, okay, Meta, it came out in like congressional testimony and whatnot that in like interior information, like with inside the company, they knew it was harming teens.

23:16Speaker 2:Didn't they didn't care.

23:19Speaker 13:There's a lot of competing philosophies and opinions and questions of what can we do, because, especially in the US, anything that remotely seems to infringe on the free speech rights of people being horrendous to each other is seen as like the worst thing you can do.

23:41Speaker 4:Well, aren't there particular algorithms that can that pick up on particular behaviors and accentuate and know how to draw people in more and more if they are susceptible.

23:56Speaker 6:This is the argument from the people that think the social media company means are responsible. It's this balance between social media is not a traditional publisher under the law, it's considered a tech company, meaning Section two point thirty in the US. That's that's the name of the law that says social media companies are not responsible for people put on social media. They're not a publisher, right because if the New York Times published is something you can sue the New York Times as well as the individual writer.

24:30Speaker 6:You can't sue, say, Twitter, for something a person puts on Twitter.

24:36Speaker 4:Well, there's good reason for that in that what goes into the New York Times is decided, it's curated by a by editors and so on.

24:45Speaker 2:It is specific like.

24:46Speaker 4:Nobody nothing goes in the New York Times. That that the owners of the New York are the publishers. The editors of the New York Times didn't know was going to be here.

24:54Speaker 6:And and the argument is that because these platforms are moderate, it, Oh they are. There's there's bots that scan everything. I was playing a video game, uh it was. It's called Trails in the Sky, first chapter. It's actually a longer name than that. It's the Legend of Heroes treasan Sky first chapter. But there are these things called shining palms, and they really really suck.

25:22Speaker 4:And shining palms not like the palm of hands of imaging trees.

25:26Speaker 3:They look like floating sheep with no arms or no legs.

25:30Speaker 4:Okay, that's just using the other thing I was talking was disturbing.

25:33Speaker 2:That's floating sheep. Yeah.

25:36Speaker 6:They're like fuzzballs with faces that taunt you because they're so hard to take down.

25:41Speaker 3:So one of them appeared, I'm like, oh no.

25:43Speaker 6:And I was just swearing a blue streak while I was doing this, and I putted it from Twitch like I clipped it on Twitch and sent it over to YouTube. It Insta flagged it for the profanity. So there are things I can't do anything where I am jogging in a scoop neck shirt on YouTube, instant demonif monetization.

26:13Speaker 2:Because of the cleavage.

26:19Speaker 3:Well, I was sewing like because.

26:24Speaker 6:Obviously body types of media and everything like that is something I'm interested in. I can't do it anymore because people just go you grosser, old, go away, but back in. But that's the thing that's the Internet, right Well, people can just be absolutely berendous to each other.

26:44Speaker 3:And the question is what do we do about it.

26:47Speaker 14:Who's responsible for the fact that this technology has just made it so much easier to just, like I liberately try to hurt someone.

27:01Speaker 2:Well, that's the thing.

27:02Speaker 4:I think these people who are saying it, they're not necessarily saying what they really believe. They're thinking looking at someone and saying, what do I think will hurt this person?

27:11Speaker 6:But all there's all this philosophical plausible deniability behind it too though, right, so grow a thicker skin.

27:18Speaker 3:It's the internet. Learn to handle criticism like.

27:21Speaker 4:There's you know what, there's criticism and then there's nastiness.

27:25Speaker 2:And they are not the same thing. I know because I I sometimes cross that line, but it's they're not the same thing. They don't come from necessarily the same place. Criticism, actual criticism has there's a line there.

27:41Speaker 4:Nastiness is nastiness for the sake of nastiness.

27:45Speaker 2:It's the sake of hurting people. It's cruelty.

27:47Speaker 4:And my the problem I have with this is that with the Internet, it allows people to exercise if I call that a muscle, It allows them to exercise that. It allows them to descend further into doing it, and so it gives them a greater range and opportunity to join the dark side. Quite frankly, or I think there was more restraint. You didn't get a chance to get addicted to it.

28:14Speaker 6:I and there's all this talk about dopamine and this, that and the next thing, and you only get a dopamine hit by being cruel to somebody. If you already think that being cruel to somebody is fun.

28:29Speaker 2:Well yes, yes, that's absolutely true.

28:32Speaker 4:And you know, when it comes to kids and their phones and an inter ad addiction, my first thought is this is a parental issue first and foremost.

28:43Speaker 2:But parents just.

28:45Speaker 4:You know, what was it one of the kings, I think it was the Nazi King of England said the thing he admires most about America is how parents obey their children.

28:55Speaker 3:What king of what?

28:57Speaker 4:Who was the king who had to abdicate because he married an American divorcee, who was and who was a Nazi sympathizer, Edward the Eighth.

29:08Speaker 6:Yeah, that guy, don't He was a sympathizer. He wasn't a literal Nazi.

29:14Speaker 2:Tomato Tomato again, No, don't do that.

29:17Speaker 3:I can't stand that. I can't stand everything's a Nazi.

29:20Speaker 2:Hold on.

29:21Speaker 4:If you sympathize with Nazis, then you are that you are tacitly agreeing with naw philosophy.

29:29Speaker 6:What was going on there was the belief, wrongly that Germany was gonna take care of the Russia problem.

29:38Speaker 2:Yeah, well Russia took care of the Germany problem.

29:40Speaker 6:But anyway, Yeah, like the ideas that can't sell each other, that's that's been That was the attitude of that era because that was yeah, that was the thirties.

29:52Speaker 4:Yeah, you don't think in the nineteen thirties a British king could be an anti Semite.

29:56Speaker 3:Oh of course they were. But the point was it was all this is where all.

30:00Speaker 6:The colonial stuff that people talk about now, the idea that you divide and conquer and let them just fight each other and so that you can go in and have more control over the region.

30:13Speaker 3:What it mayde Yeah, they did it in India and Pakistan. They did it in you know what is now Israel and the everyone around Israel.

30:24Speaker 6:It was this divide and conquer approach, and it both worked and didn't work.

30:31Speaker 2:All right.

30:32Speaker 4:I still think it's the parents that have a responsibility to that you have, you have a responsibility to. I mean, you and I both know a couple with two children who are now in their late teens, who did not get a phone until they were sixteen. And I asked the older, uh one, the son who's eighteen, now, do you think that changed your relationship with your phone? He says, oh, yeah, and I only use it basically. He uses it as a tool. He doesn't he's not plastered to it all the time. He can't that it has a place in life, but it isn't his entire life. I think that we're stepping away from the idea that parents use these screens as babysitters. And I understand parents are very busy and their strength trying to put food on the table, keep a roof over the head. I get that, but there is a responsibility of parents. You know, used to be you could only watch so many hours of TV, Like whatever happened to that?

31:36Speaker 3:Okay, the problem is the parents are glued to their phones too.

31:39Speaker 6:We're we're not talking about teens when it comes to screen use.

31:43Speaker 3:At this point, they're.

31:44Speaker 6:Seeing issues with too much screens under the age of two. And it's not the it's not the screens per se. No, it's it's what young kids are not doing because they're looking at a screen.

32:05Speaker 2:Yeah, they're not going out in the backyard like the kids in those NERF pictures with mister Shooty water.

32:12Speaker 6:Well, they're also not observing other people to develop the understanding of what different body language means, different facial expressions mean, and that you.

32:23Speaker 3:Can still learn.

32:25Speaker 6:But that early learning, a lot of stuff is taken for granted because it's not school.

32:31Speaker 3:Like too many people.

32:32Speaker 6:Oh, if I do an educational app for my baby, my kid will be smarter. It's like you're denying that kid the human interactions that won't necessarily show up on a test score.

32:45Speaker 4:Remember that baby Einstein stuff that they were selling to try to make smarter kids. It's like, listen, I understand you want smarter kids, but if you believe that this is gonna work. Your genetics are not prepared to give birth and raise a smarter kid.

33:03Speaker 6:The problem is that everybody, everybody wants genius children.

33:07Speaker 2:Now yeah, right, let's hold that over because I think that's another topic. And we got to go to break.

33:11Speaker 10:Okay, all right, stream us Live at SOGA nine six am dot C.

33:21Speaker 2:All right, we are back.

33:29Speaker 4:So, yes, everyone wants genius children. And the truth is genius is overrated. How about children who are good human beings And the.

33:42Speaker 3:Fact that we can't have both.

33:44Speaker 4:Well, yeah, the fact that it doesn't seem like that's it's like, well, if that happens, if they're good human beings, that's kind of a nice thing. But most important, they need to be geniuses. And honestly, the use of the term genius these days, yes, I mean I very liberally used.

34:00Speaker 3:I was kind of a child genius.

34:02Speaker 6:I was taken out, well, taken out of grade one right and put into grade three cause my test course were.

34:11Speaker 2:Too high, too high. It's like your test scores are too high, not high, too high. Well, I I was.

34:19Speaker 6:They tested me the grade like the grade two at that time, gifted test. When I was in the first grade, and I didn't even know what it was. I just went down to the principal's office. Everybody thought I was in trouble because I got called to the principal's office and there was this nice lady that had me do all these like puzzle games like this is amazing.

34:36Speaker 3:I love puzzles.

34:36Speaker 6:And apparently that was the gifted test, and so I skipped grade two into grade three.

34:42Speaker 4:Well that, I mean that ties into what we're talking about, which is you missed a year of age appropriate uh learning from other kids your age.

34:53Speaker 6:It wasn't so much the age appropriate learning that was the problem. It was the fact that I was a year ahead, and so all the milestones.

35:01Speaker 3:Were off.

35:04Speaker 15:Milestones such as well, when you're legally old enough to drive, when you're legally old enough to drink, So all your peers in school were a year advanced from you, so they could do it earlier.

35:19Speaker 6:Yeah, and the driving wasn't so bad because like a lot of the families couldn't afford cars where I grew up. But the you did feel it in university because of course the big, the big social thing in university is pub night, and I wasn't old enough.

35:38Speaker 3:They wouldn't let me in the pubs.

35:40Speaker 4:You couldn't get Okay, I was gonna say, you couldn't get fake ID, but this is you.

35:43Speaker 2:You wouldn't do this well.

35:44Speaker 3:And to me, having seen a lot of underage drinking in high.

35:49Speaker 2:School, yeah okay, good by it.

35:52Speaker 6:I was always the one that had to haul the kids out over my shoulder when they weren't just drunk, they were high too.

35:58Speaker 2:We were you're doing a fireman's care pretty much.

36:01Speaker 3:It was over the shoulder.

36:03Speaker 2:Here we go.

36:03Speaker 6:Hope they don't puke, because they'll puke on my butt. And I know that because it happened once.

36:08Speaker 4:Oh yeah, Oh, I remember driving when I was doing club gigs, hosting club gigs. I remember this one girl who was a regular there. She was too drunk. I knew she was not going to get herself home. So where do you live? So I was driving her home. She rolled down the window and puked out the window.

36:29Speaker 2:What I didn't realize is that went all over the side of my car.

36:32Speaker 6:Yep, it's not fun, but hey, but you know, so this idea of smart children.

36:42Speaker 3:Intelligence, this idea of IQ, this idea that intelligence comes from test scores, It is not shrewd.

36:51Speaker 2:Well, there's many kinds of intelligence.

36:55Speaker 6:Yeah, but the only one you can test, yes, is the ability to regurgitate facts.

37:00Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean there's the intelligence that knows how to build things and how mechanical things work.

37:06Speaker 2:Right now to fix things.

37:08Speaker 6:Also creative solutions to things, and we have so stifled the idea of truly creative solutions to social problems.

37:19Speaker 2:Well, I mean creative solutions.

37:21Speaker 4:Back in the day, I always found creative solutions around having to do homework. I didn't like whereas now they just have to go on Google or find AI. That's not creative that I was using problem solving skills that required lateral thinking. They're just typing things into a search engine or a language model.

37:45Speaker 6:Yeah, but it's also things like, I don't know, just generally trying things on and seeing how they fit. Everything's become so standardized you don't get to do.

37:56Speaker 4:That and the consider But it was about standard education, the three RS, which is always funny because the three RS.

38:06Speaker 3:Is a misspelling of arithmetic.

38:08Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, writing and arithmetic. Yeah, you know, but.

38:12Speaker 3:The writing is it's reading and writing and arithmetic two of those words don't start with R.

38:18Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying two of the words don't begin with R. But and I think a lot of the people who demand, uh, you know that kind of teaching probably believe that writing starts with an R. But anyway, Uh yeah, it's that kind of thing. Standard There's no way to standardize intelligence because intelligence has different facets. And it's like somebody who is people smart but not book smart.

38:45Speaker 2:It's still a smart. It's still a still.

38:48Speaker 6:People always said that about me, that I was book smart but not people smart, and like, look.

38:54Speaker 3:At what I'm doing. Now, obviously it wasn't true, or.

38:58Speaker 2:Or you grew out of it. It was a face who.

39:00Speaker 3:I look at what I was doing as a kid.

39:03Speaker 6:I mean, I was doing insane stuff, and then every time.

39:06Speaker 2:You tell me something, I like, just it's just very amusing.

39:10Speaker 3:I like making people laugh.

39:13Speaker 6:But I was also doing some pretty subversive stuff.

39:18Speaker 3:I mean, I was just thinking.

39:19Speaker 6:Because I was doing a YouTube video earlier about I think it was grade eleven, I realized I can't remember either my grade ten English teacher or my grade eleven English teacher, which is weird.

39:29Speaker 2:But wait, you can't remember them at all.

39:32Speaker 6:I can't remember I'm forgetting one of them like I remember my grade nine teacher.

39:38Speaker 4:So when you think of the teacher, there's like this blank space, like image not available.

39:45Speaker 3:This one teacher I had, I we didn't like each other.

39:50Speaker 6:And I didn't like this guy because one he hated poetry and he was the English teacher.

39:55Speaker 4:I don't like poetry, but that's the most poetry is garbage anyway.

40:00Speaker 2:But it was.

40:01Speaker 6:Also I was really involved in school stuff like student council and extracurricular and theater and all that stuff. And so I went down to the office and did morning announcements at the end of first period, and this jerk English teacher decided he was offended by this and docked me Marx every.

40:23Speaker 3:Time I did it.

40:24Speaker 4:Wait, he docked you, Marx for doing a school approved activity.

40:30Speaker 2:Ye took what five minutes.

40:32Speaker 6:Because I was leaving class five minutes early. And he told me every time I did it, he was gonna doc mars.

40:39Speaker 3:Worst grade I ever got.

40:40Speaker 6:Into English ever, and it had nothing to do with academic performance.

40:44Speaker 2:There was a teacher in my high school. He looked basically like Jonathan Crane, the alter egger of the Scarecrow and Batman, and he favored boys and was brutal to girls. He hated the announcements.

41:01Speaker 4:Because it ended with have a good day, which he considered vulgar. And a couple of years after I graduated, they he was part of a police dragnet doing he was trafficking in child porn, gay child.

41:18Speaker 6:I mean this guy, this guy had this tendency to lick his lips a.

41:24Speaker 3:Frog.

41:25Speaker 6:But one of one of the popcorn guys, the popcorn guy with the glasses and the previews and the movies, you know, the little anthropop.

41:33Speaker 2:The little military popcorn guys.

41:35Speaker 3:Who that guy looks like this teacher.

41:41Speaker 6:He was this brog in the body of a man, and just oh, we hated each other. But see back then I could go, you know what, screw it. I care more about the.

41:56Speaker 3:Community of my school than the mark. You are going to.

42:01Speaker 2:Dock me and the principle or anybody about this.

42:05Speaker 3:They didn't get involved back then. It's it's it's the teacher's classroom.

42:09Speaker 6:Well and maybe they said something and the guy was still stubborn. I don't know, but I was just like, you just didn't run to authority.

42:19Speaker 3:You went fine, dock me. It was gen X. That's what we did.

42:23Speaker 4:You know, oh I was gen X, but I always went to authority and said, hey, listen, this is BS and somehow, for some reason.

42:31Speaker 2:The different neighborhood again, a very different neighborhood.

42:34Speaker 6:You know, I did go to authority when kids were getting gay bashed or they were preventing Muslim praying in schools during Ramadan. Right, I picked my battles because I was always the one going in there and like pounding the table. But I was seen as this goody goody that never did anything bad or difficult.

42:56Speaker 3:And I mean I was going up let Muslim kids pray in schools. I was woke before it was cool.

43:02Speaker 2:Yeah, well it just still doesn't mean anything. But we gotta go to break. We gotta holding holding hold. Okay back after this.

43:17Speaker 10:Stream us live at SAGA nine six am dot C.

43:25Speaker 2:Okay, let it out.

43:27Speaker 6:Well, I was talking before about how people are like, oh, your book smart, but you're not people smart. Yeah, And I mean I was negotiating for Muslim kids to pray in schools and fighting the cops over kids getting beat up for being gay at the mall across the street and all this stuff, and I was seen as a goodie two shoes and you're telling me I had no people skills.

43:49Speaker 4:Well, I mean, the the the Crusades you took up, you could say, we're good eye two shoes.

43:55Speaker 2:They were morally correct.

43:57Speaker 6:But I was not seen as a trouble maker, which you I mean at the time defending Muslim gig kids.

44:05Speaker 3:It was less popular than it is now.

44:08Speaker 2:You know, yeah it was.

44:11Speaker 3:I mean the point is I knew how to navigate, I knew how to talk to people, so I wasn't just abrasive, you know. I was like, that was reasonable?

44:23Speaker 2:What that was my mistake? It's just ambracia.

44:27Speaker 6:But that's the thing, like people said I had no people skills because you're like, oh, well you're super smart, so you have that, so you don't have this other.

44:35Speaker 2:Thing it oh you kidget holes. Yeah.

44:39Speaker 6:You get defined by these ideas that you're good at things and not and not good at others, and then people don't let you test that.

44:49Speaker 2:Well, it's true.

44:51Speaker 4:A friend who was told that he because he liked books and stuff like that he wasn't athletic as a like his brother who was athletic. And the thing is he got older realized I'm no less athletic than him. I'm but it funneled his interests in a way, like you never know, would he have been interested in sports if he hadn't been told that he wasn't he wasn't good at it when he was fine at it. Like it's just parents create these these externalized things of themselves into these kids.

45:26Speaker 3:But I hate the clumping together of sports though, too.

45:31Speaker 2:Right, Well, that's different kind of sports.

45:34Speaker 3:I mean, curling and football have nothing in common.

45:37Speaker 2:Nor do they have anything in common with corn holing.

45:42Speaker 3:You're still amused by that? Huh?

45:44Speaker 2:How can I not be? How could I not be?

45:47Speaker 3:By ahead referring to a headline I showed him.

45:51Speaker 2:Oh yeah, thank you for that. It was amazing.

45:54Speaker 3:About God, I'm gonna get it wrong.

45:57Speaker 4:Oh, here's the headline. And it was the headline multiple news services. Quadruple amputee corn hole player accused of fatally shooting man in Maryland. I've never seen a headline with so many huh in it like this one. It's just first of all, quadruple amputee. Okay, they exist, corn hole player. Before this article, I thought that corn holing, okay, you could say that it was a leisure time activity perhaps for some spectators sport.

46:26Speaker 2:Yeah, are you fucking me?

46:27Speaker 4:But I didn't realize cornhole is actually a game with bean bags.

46:32Speaker 2:Yeah, and then fatally shooting him.

46:35Speaker 6:Well, it's called cornhole because there's a hole in the board and the bean bags are full of corn.

46:42Speaker 4:Okay, well that makes complete sense. Now I gotta find out what a dill weed is. Thank you, beavison butt head. But oh, okay, dill is that.

46:52Speaker 2:What dill weed is?

46:53Speaker 4:Isn't amazing how things like beaveson butt head can take something like calling somebody a dill weed and you automatically think it's something nasty and it's really not.

47:01Speaker 6:Anyway, you notice, I know these things because I look things up because people say I have no people skills, so I constantly have to fight harder than everyone else to get heard.

47:09Speaker 2:What was that? I'm just kidding.

47:13Speaker 4:There we go, Okay, so accused of fatally shooting man in Maryland, and you read the article further. He was driving the car and he shot the passing the guy in the passenger seat. Yeah, and he's a quadruple amputee. Like it'd be very difficult for people with natural like genetic hand arms and hands to drive a vehicle and shoot somebody at the same time, unless they're in the seventies TV show.

47:41Speaker 2:But this guy did it. It's only you know you have you did research that founder.

47:46Speaker 4:The guy has prosthetics, but you know, nowhere in these articles, and I kept looking, nowhere did it mention his prosthetics in any of the articles that I read.

47:54Speaker 2:I don't know where you found it.

47:55Speaker 4:I even looked up prosthetics or the guy couldn't find an article, so I I just looked up.

48:01Speaker 6:I mean, I've got a lot of this stuff in my history because I work with people with disabilities.

48:06Speaker 3:But I was like, how.

48:08Speaker 6:Would anybody shoot a gun with a prosthetic limb? And mile electric arms are? It uses electrical impulses from the person's residual limb muscles.

48:23Speaker 4:To control Yeah, this is this person's unfortunate person. The amputations were I believe, below the elbow, below the knee.

48:34Speaker 6:Yeah, it was a childhood like infection or blood disorder or something like.

48:37Speaker 4:That kid was ten months old and the way to save his life was to amputate those limbs. I don't even want to get into what kind of decision that had to be for a parent, But in any case, the guy shot somebody, but the I killed him. But the article, like the headline. You showed me the headline and I sort of looked at you and you look to me, and we're both so many questions done back here.

49:04Speaker 6:And I actually showed it to my buddy who's he used the wheelchairs, his disability advocate and educator, and I.

49:09Speaker 3:Showed it to him and goes, I have questions.

49:14Speaker 2:So many questions.

49:16Speaker 3:Pretty funny, Yeah.

49:18Speaker 4:I mean, not a funny story, but odd like it's one of those things. One of my listeners said, and this happened in Maryland in the US, said, wow, in America, people have the right to bear arms even when they don't have arms.

49:33Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was kind of yeah. Okay, that makes that that's very that's true. All right, Uh, time for us to go.

49:44Speaker 4:Hey, what we're going to talk about this week?

49:49Speaker 2:Either either I love that laugh? Okay, Leanna, that.

49:55Speaker 3:Wasn't your perfect morning show co host laughing?

49:57Speaker 6:Eh?

49:58Speaker 3:Like put that on my reel.

49:59Speaker 6:Yeah, you always have to laugh at different speed gels.

50:08Speaker 4:Together, Ed McMahon skill, Okay, many rest in peace. Leanna can be heard on her podcast It's Not Therapy. Great podcast. People on my show. I'm listening to my overnight show talk about her all the time, being great show.

50:22Speaker 2:It is.

50:23Speaker 4:Every episode, as I said, I learned one or two things I didn't know I needed to learn. Sometimes I don't realize that I learned something until like weeks later it's like, oh wait, that came up on the podcast.

50:32Speaker 2:So check that out. Where you get your podcasts.

50:35Speaker 4:I'm on ninety four nine in the Rock, The Rock nine The Rock app My Day to Friday live midnight to five am, and you can listen to the best stuff on the weekends.

50:45Speaker 9:Okay, thank you, Leanna, say goodbye bye bye.

50:58Speaker 1:No radio, no problem. Stream us live on SAGA nine sixty am dot CA.