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This is a ~56 minute conversation with mathematician Steven Strogatz ( https://www.stevenstrogatz.com/ ) covering issues of explanation in mathematics, Platonism, and related questions. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Mathematical explanation and AI (07:28) Reductionism across scientific fields (11:04) Intuition and mathematical deduction (18:31) Geometry versus algebraic thinking (24:32) Euler and negative logarithms (29:38) Mathematical anomalies and patterns (36:26) Scale of mathematical constants (46:55) Nature of fundamental constants (50:08) Pi beyond simple circles PRODUCED BY:…
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Michael Levin · Tech & Science · English
A podcast by Professor Michael Levin exploring the frontiers of biology, cognition, and emergence. Engage in conversations about morphogenesis, bioelectricity, and synthetic life — and uncover how intelligence and agency emerge from the most fundamental levels of nature.
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24 Sep 2026 · 1 hr 3 min
Discussion with Marsha Hewitt (Platonic Space and related ideas)
This is a ~1 hour 3 minute conversation with Marsha Hewitt ( https://www.trinity.utoronto.ca/profiles/hewitt-marsha/ ), who wanted to clarify some issues around the Platonic Space and related ideas from the perspective of her teaching students in her philosophy and psychoanalytic psychology of religion class. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Intersecting philosophy and science (09:52) Ethics of artificial minds (15:47) Structured space of patterns (31:20) Embodiment as a filter (39:36) Dualism versus monism debate (49:51) Agency in developmental biology (56:25) Communicating with alien minds PRODUCED BY:…
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22 Sep 2026 · 22 min
"Life, Machines, and a Foundation for Synthbiosis" by Michael Levin
This is a ~21-minute talk titled "Life, Machines, and a Foundation for Synthbiosis" that I gave to the Santa Fe Institute ( https://santafe.edu/ ) conference on "Symbiogenesis in the Age of Machine intelligence" ( https://www.santafe.edu/events/symbiogenesis-in-the-age-of-machine-intelligence-2027 ", September 17 and 18, 2026) CHAPTERS: (00:00) Space of embodied minds (03:03) Rewriting bioelectric set points (06:08) Xenobots and novel beings (12:04) Molecular networks and learning (15:26) Mathematics as information source (18:38) Exploring anatomical morphospace PRODUCED BY:…
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21 Sep 2026 · 53 min
Biology, AI, and Diverse Intelligence by Michael Levin
"Biology, AI, and Diverse Intelligence: what we know and don't know about embodied minds" - a 53-minute talk I gave on what the field of diverse intelligence has to say to AI research (to an audience of non-experts in AI, so it's not very technical on that end). I tried to go a little slower and explain more of the basics and logic. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Defining life and machines (04:16) Expanding the Eden view (07:41) Collective cellular intelligence (15:16) Bioelectricity and goal memories (22:08) Xenobots and novel beings (31:03) Causal emergence and math (41:58) Robotics and cognitive…
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13 Sep 2026 · 59 min
A conversation with Andrey Vyshedskiy about the evolution of language and brain development
This is a ~1 hour conversation with Andrey Vyshedskiy ( https://www.bu.edu/prsocial/profile/andrey-vyshedskiy/ ) about the evolution of language, brain mechanisms, implications for autism and developmental disorders, and Andrey's work to develop therapeutic approaches. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Syntactic language network development (05:37) Three levels of comprehension (28:55) Neurobiology of sensitive periods (36:46) Recognizing the syntactic phenotype (42:24) Theory of mind mechanisms (48:51) Future levels of intelligence PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website:…
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3 Sep 2026 · 59 min
Conversation #1 with Diego Bohórquez and Mijail D. Serruya: how information moves levels in bodies
This is a ~59 minute working meeting where I introduce two very interesting neuroscientists to each other - Diego Bohórquez ( https://medicine.duke.edu/profile/diego-v-bohorquez ) and Mijail D. Serruya ( https://www.jefferson.edu/academics/colleges-schools-institutes/skmc/departments/neurology/faculty/serruya.html ) and we discuss ideas around how information moves from the molecular to the behavioral level in bodies and how we might be able to interface with that system via technologies that could lead to biomedical applications and deep insight into diverse intelligence. At the end we…
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21 Aug 2026 · 52 min
"Inspiration Across Substrates: free lunches, diverse intelligence and surprise" by Michael Levin
This is a ~52 minute talk on inspiration across substrates and my model of "free lunches" and the Platonic space. CHAPTERS: (00:00) The concept of inspiration (03:47) Defining the free lunch (08:47) Surprising biological plasticity (14:33) Causal emergence in networks (17:05) Competencies of synthetic organisms (25:37) Computational free lunches (33:50) Navigating diverse problem spaces (38:53) The platonic cognitive space (44:00) Ingressions and active patterns (50:16) Future of ethical symbiosis PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website:…
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29 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 2 min
Conversation #1 with Alexey Tolchinsky, Anthony Weiss and Chris Fields
This is a ~1 hour conversation on the future of mental health from the perspective of the diverse intelligence field, with Alexey Tolchinsky ( https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=tiBKmrsAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate ), Anthony Weiss ( https://www.anthonypweiss.com/about-anthony-weiss ), and Chris Fields ( https://chrisfieldsresearch.com/ ). CHAPTERS: (00:00) Psychiatry's stalled progress (04:54) Faulty mental models (11:36) Tools and treatment goals (24:06) Nonlinear living systems (31:21) Energy shaping agency (41:51) Technology entangles minds (53:08) Effort and…
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28 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 1 min
Conversation #1 with
This is a ~1 hour working meeting with Thomas Pollak ( https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/thomas-pollak , https://drtompollak.substack.com/ ) and David King ( https://profiles.stanford.edu/361883 , https://breakingconvention.co.uk/performers/dave-king ) about the intersection of neuroscience, mental health, and diverse intelligence research. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Agency in psychiatry (05:14) Mental real estate (10:31) Internal agency mechanics (21:43) Dissociation and multiplicity (30:04) Interfaces and inspiration (38:43) Signals and prostheses (48:18) Psychedelics and entities PRODUCED BY:…
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10 Jul 2026 · 54 min
"Diverse Intelligence: new frontier for Origins, Possibilities, and Diseases of Minds by" M. Levin
This is a ~54 minute talk titled "Diverse Intelligence: a new frontier for Origins, Possibilities, and Diseases of the Mind(s)" which I gave for an audience composed of mental health professionals and neuroscientists. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Roadmap and stakes (04:13) Minds as continuum (08:04) Diverse intelligence framework (11:12) Biological plasticity examples (18:18) Morphogenesis as intelligence (22:31) Multiscale cellular agency (26:39) Anatomical problem solving (32:40) Ancient bioelectric networks (35:34) Communicating somatic goals (42:02) Cancer and medicine (46:37) Novel living agents…
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27 Jun 2026 · 57 min
"Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs" by Martin Picard
This is a ~57 minute talk titled "Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs: the mitochondrial daily energy expenditure MDEE study" by Martin Picard ( https://www.neurology.columbia.edu/profile/martin-picard-phd ) and a brief set of ideas by me at the end, presaging a full discussion of this for our next meeting. I mentioned these 2 papers: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303264722001435 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/bies.201900245 CHAPTERS: (00:00) Mitochondria energy tradeoffs (52:14) Scarcity coordinates biology (54:44) Anthrobot aging evidence (56:31)…
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