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Cheaper Than Therapy with Vanessa and Dené

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Vanessa Bennett and Dené Logan are two soul sisters and therapists who connected over their shared love of depth psychology—known as the psychology of the soul. It is a template for diving beneath the surface to examine the complex natures of being human while on the quest for wholeness, including t

New episodes: Weekly
Typical length: 42 min
Latest: 29 Sep 2025
Language: English

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29 Sep 2025 · 33 min

Ep. 248 ENOUGH WITH THE ‘HAVE TO’S’

In this episode of the podcast, Vanessa and Dené talk about the ways in which we are all being challenged to stay with ourselves through the discomfort of releasing the things we have been holding as certain. we talk about: why it becomes necessary to be in acceptance of loss for us to show up authentically in relationships how our culture conditions us to be in a constant space of preoccupation- often in an attempt to defend against the fear of endings how we are collectively being invited to come into an acceptance of the nature of impermanence the very human desire to cling to the known…

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E247 · 22 Sep 2025 · 49 min
Ep 247 AMERICA’S COLLECTIVE EGO DEATH
In this week’s episode, Vanessa and Dené talk about the energy that is being felt by so many of us as we move through what many astrologers are calling a ‘turning point’ eclipse season. we talk about: the immense amount of shadow work we’ve been asked to dive into in the midst of the current eclipse season the dehumanization that starts to come up when we place people on pedestals how we are being asked to look at where we’ve outsourced our sense of security to other people how our disappointment in others often reflect where we’ve left expectations unexpressed ..and so much more! Don’t…
E246 · 15 Sep 2025 · 51 min
Ep 246 THE EGO DEATHS ARE INEVITABLE
..the growth that comes from them is optional. In this week’s episode, Vanessa and Dené talk about the extent to which 2025 has felt like - to many - one enormous ego death, what that means, and why this is a crucial aspect of our collective healing process. we talk about: how life is changing pushing us to separate our essence from our adapted survival strategies or what we’ve been calling our personality why it becomes important to honor other people’s process - even if we experience them as bypassing the ‘truth’ of where we believe they should be how we can start to view life’s difficult…
E245 · 8 Sep 2025 · 21 min
Ep 245: The Lie We Were Sold: Motherhood, Partnership, and the Cost of Performing
In the first installment of one of our new solo series, Vanessa kicks off with a core theme from her new book The Motherhood Myth: The Lie We Were Sold—the cultural script that says partnership and motherhood should be inherently easy and endlessly fulfilling…and if they aren’t, you must be doing it wrong. Vanessa traces how that story keeps us isolated, ashamed, and over-functioning, and why naming it is the first step to reclaiming a solid sense of Self.We discuss: How a shared season of overstimulation, depletion, and “Who am I anymore?” sparked this book The lie itself—and how it feeds…
E244 · 1 Sep 2025 · 25 min
Ep 244 Are People Partying Less?
In this week’s episode, Vanessa gives Dené a recap of her time spent at a bachelorette party over the weekend. We explore some of the trends - and possible factors impacting - why millennials may have a different relationship with alcohol than older generations.We discuss:-Whether studies suggesting that gen Z is consuming less alcohol than millennials are pointing to an awakening of consciousness or feeling more self-conscious about making mistakes.- If the younger generation are being raised with a lower tolerance for discomfort.- What some of the positive outcomes could potentially be…
E243 · 25 Aug 2025 · 41 min
Ep 243 How Can I Be love?
We sat down to explore some of the challenges that come up living in a culture where we are exposed and reacting to so many people lives, perspectives and ultimately ways of negotiating conflict. We discuss: -the challenges that we’re facing as a culture that struggles to allow for diversity of thought -holding ourselves with compassion even as others may be holding us with judgement -how we honor the unique nature of our Souls blueprint instead of feeling like we are all meant to be the same -what it looks like to take responsibility for being a conduit to the world I want to see instead of…
E242 · 18 Aug 2025 · 34 min
Ep 242: AI and the Invitation Inward
We’re back and so excited to share with you all some of the conversations we’ve been having offline. This week, we explore some of the current conversations we’ve heard coming up around AI, the tie it will play in how we meet one another relationally, and what the larger invitation may be for all of us in this rapidly changing world. we discuss: the uptick of people replacing a therapeutic relationship with their use of chat GPT how we might see the rise in technology as being a catalyst for cultivating a more intimate relationship with the human capabilities that cannot be outsourced what…
E241 · 11 Aug 2025 · 1 hr 11 min
Ep 241: The Deeper Layers with Dads | Cheaper Than Therapy Podcast with Vanessa Bennett and Dene Logan
Cheaper than Therapy is back for season 4!! And we couldn’t be more excited to kick things off with a live recording (and celebration of the launch of Vanessa’s new book, The Motherhood Myth) we did with two of our favorite dads - and friends - Dr. Adi Jaffe and Nicholas Gonzalez. Adi is an addiction & mental health expert, and founder of IGNTD. Nick is an actor, father, and advocate for conscious masculinity. They are also two dads doing the work of taking so much personal responsibility for their growth as men and fathers.We sat down to talk with Adi and Nick about: finding self-compassion…
E249 · 4 Aug 2025 · 29 min
Ep 240: BEST-OF: Q&A: Reciprocal vs Transactional Relationships
Our 4th and final “best of” is an episode where we answered a listener question. Ep: 181 Q&A: Reciprocal vs Transactional RelationshipsThis episode is one of the most honest, relatable, and clarifying conversations we’ve had about how codependency quietly shapes our relationships—and how resentment can be a powerful wake-up call.This one is an invitation to zoom out, take radical ownership, and shift from silently simmering to soulfully relating.Don’t forget to follow and subscribe so you never miss an episode. You can also follow along with the show on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube! And…
E239 · 28 Jul 2025 · 42 min
Ep 239: BEST-OF: Men’s “Clarity” After Sex
Our next ‘best of’ episode was episode 192: Men’s “Clarity” After Sex. This conversation cracked open a raw, honest, and often unspoken exploration of modern relationships, intimacy, and how patriarchal conditioning impacts us all—especially around sex.If you've ever wondered why sex sometimes feels more disconnecting than connecting, or you're longing for a deeper conversation about emotional safety, sexual shame, and sacred union—this one will stay with you.Over the next 4 weeks, we’re re-airing some of our favorite episodes to gear you all up for what’s to come. Don’t forget to follow and…
E238 · 21 Jul 2025 · 33 min
Ep 238: BEST-OF: What Does My Inner Child Need?
Ep 188: BEST-OF: What Does My Inner Child Need?Our 2nd “best of” is one of our live coaching episodes. We dive into: what codependency and anxious attachment often look in real life—and why they’re so hard to untangle a roadmap for staying with discomfort instead of outsourcing soothing—without shame.Over the next 4 weeks, we’re re-airing some of our favorite episodes to gear you all up for what’s to come. Don’t forget to follow and subscribe so you never miss an episode. You can also follow along with the show on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube! And look out for all new episodes of Cheaper…
E237 · 14 Jul 2025 · 1 hr 16 min
Ep 237 BEST-OF: How to Trust in Self-Love with Danny Morel
Over the next 4 weeks, we’re re-airing some of our favorite episodes to gear you all up for what’s to come. This conversation with Danny Morel was one of our absolute favorites. We sat down with Danny to talk about -reframing love, attachment, partnership and forgiveness. This episode was a profound exploration of what will be required to heal collective wounds between men and women.Don’t forget to follow and subscribe so you never miss an episode. You can also follow along with the show on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube! And look out for all new episodes of Cheaper than Therapy on August…
E236 · 2 Oct 2024 · 48 min
Ep 236: Farewell for Now
In this heartfelt final episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we reflect on the last four years, all of our challenges and personal growth, and the significance of our friendship while preparing to close this chapter. While it’s farewell to the podcast for now, it’s not farewell to us. Join our online community to stay in touch with multiple live weekly process groups and workshops, and stay in touch with us for upcoming retreats. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨How both of our perspectives on so many things have evolved since the podcast’s early days, from the challenges of…
E235 · 25 Sep 2024 · 1 hr 11 min
Ep 235: The Rise of The Feminine with Reverend Michael Beckwith
In our second to last episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Reverend Michael Beckwith, founder of the Agape Spiritual Center, the Take Back Your Mind podcast, and bestselling author of “Life Visioning™,” “The Answer is You,” and “Spiritual Liberation.” Reverend Michael shares journey from being a psychobiology major to becoming a spiritual leader and the profound insights he’s gained along the way, particularly about the rise of the feminine energy and spiritual awakening. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨The global shift toward feminine energy and collective…
E234 · 18 Sep 2024 · 47 min
Ep 234: Friendships & Goodbyes
Ep 234: Friendships & GoodbyesIn this emotional and reflective episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we discuss the cycles of relationships, touching on our personal friendship dynamics and the upcoming conclusion of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast after an incredible 4 years. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨ An emphasis on the importance of prioritizing friendships over romantic relationships, which often get placed on a societal pedestal, and how our friendship has thrived because of our commitment to this mindset✨The cyclical nature of relationships, using the metaphor of a…
E233 · 11 Sep 2024 · 54 min
Ep 233: Dating Realism and Emotional Growth with Sabrina Zohar
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Sabrina Zohar, a prominent voice in dating and relationship psychology and host of the Sabrina Zohar Show, a top resource for no-nonsense relationship advice backed by the expertise of board-certified and licensed psychologists. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨ How dating emotionally unavailable people will often lead to the realization that you are emotionally unavailable, showing the importance of accountability vs blame in relationships ✨Why we should challenge common social media dating advice like “If they wanted…
E232 · 4 Sep 2024 · 27 min
Ep 232: Live Coaching Session: Navigating Mental Health and Family Dynamics
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Michelle, who is struggling with her husband’s mental health issues and their recent impact on their family dynamics. The conversation explores step-parenting, mental health in relationships, and more.What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨ The difficulties in finding common ground with her husband regarding parenting decisions, especially as her children have grown older✨ What to do when when mental health struggles have created an ongoing sense of unpredictability and fear within the family dynamic✨ Approaching…
E231 · 28 Aug 2024 · 1 hr 2 min
Ep 231: Approaching Mental Health with Nuance with Gabriella Ulloa & Meadowlark Monaghan
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Gabriella Ulloa and Meadowlark Monaghan, co-hosts of the “Thoughts May Vary” podcast; a podcast about changing our minds, with the common threads of mental health and nuance weaved throughout. We talk about mental health and the value of open, honest conversations & feeing understood in relationships.What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨Normalizing exploring mental health conversations in an approachable and authentic way, without falling into toxic positivity ✨The value of holding space for differing opinions and the need…
E230 · 21 Aug 2024 · 38 min
Ep 230: Live Coaching Session: A Path to Self-Compassion
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Sarah, who is grappling with the aftermath of overhearing a negative conversation about herself between her in-laws and parents. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨Exploring the motivation behind listening to a recorded conversation and why it’s important to consider the deeper truths that might be present in the feedback✨The challenge of reconciling the desire for space and healing coupled with the pressure from others to resolve the conflict quickly, and why setting boundaries for space to process your emotions is…
E229 · 14 Aug 2024 · 59 min
Ep 229: Brave Expression with Africa Brooke
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Africa Brooke, internationally acclaimed consultant, credentialed coach, speaker, and podcaster to discuss self-censorship, brave expression, navigating complex social dynamics, and how to trust your inner voice. Her book, The Third Perspective: Brave Expression in the Age of Intolerance is available now! What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨Why non-binary thinking is necessary to breaking free of self-censorship and having open, authentic conversation✨The significance of brave expression in the age of intolerance, and the…
E228 · 7 Aug 2024 · 24 min
Ep 228: Live Coaching Session: Managing Overwhelming Emotions
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Erica to talk about her struggles with managing strong emotions and staying grounded in emotionally overwhelming situations, and what to do when you tend to outwardly focus on others when overwhelmed, and how to trust your inner voice and listen to Self. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨How somatic tools can help manage intense feelings during moments of emotional overwhelm✨ The importance of self-compassion and acceptance when dealing with big emotions, and how to uncouple negative beliefs from emotional reactions✨Why…
E227 · 31 Jul 2024 · 49 min
Ep 227: Therapy for Black Girls with Dr. Joy Harden Bradford
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, licensed psychologist, author, speaker, and founder and host of Therapy for Black Girls, a podcast and platform dedicated to making mental health topics more relevant and accessible for Black women. We discuss Dr. Joy’s journey to creating a significant platform aimed at destigmatizing mental health issues among Black women, community, generational trauma, self-awareness and spiritual growth, and more. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨The critical role that community plays in mental health,…
E226 · 24 Jul 2024 · 26 min
Ep 226: Rebuilding After an Abusive Marriage
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Jill, a single mother and entrepreneur who is navigating the challenges of rebuilding her life after leaving a toxic and abusive marriage. The conversation touches on how to trust your inner voice, boundaries, impacts of relationships on children, and more. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨How societal and cultural pressures can cause us to feel like we need external validation and approval, and how that can make it difficult to learn how to trust your inner voice, especially after leaving an abusive relationship ✨The…
E225 · 17 Jul 2024 · 53 min
Ep 225: The Vital Spark with Lisa Marchiano, LCSW, NCPsyA
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Lisa Marchiano, LCSW, NCPsyA, a Jungian analyst, author, and podcaster. Her writings have appeared in numerous publications. She is the co-host and creator of the popular depth psychology podcast This Jungian Life. She is on the faculty of the C. G. Jung Institute of Philadelphia, and lectures and teaches widely. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨The significance of feminine archetypes, like Lilith and Eve, and how they represent different aspects of the feminine experience and self-empowerment✨Why recognizing and…
E224 · 10 Jul 2024 · 26 min
Ep 224: Boundaries, Abandonment, and Personal Growth
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we address listener questions around boundaries and dealing with significant changes in your relationships. We discuss themes around abandonment, setting boundaries, and accountability vs blame in relationships. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨How a fear of abandonment can make setting and maintaining boundaries challenging/unclear, often leading to negative responses from others✨The importance of accountability vs blame in relationships, and not personalizing others’ actions✨Distinguishing between someone’s capacity to show up in a…
E223 · 3 Jul 2024 · 19 min
Ep 223: Live Coaching Session: Redefining Yourself Post-Breakup
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Joy, who is navigating the complex and practical life challenges following the end of a long-term relationship. We explore the difficulties of fully moving on when there is significant overlap in social and professional circles, and how to handle lingering feelings especially during potential future interactions. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨The importance of self awareness in recognizing and validating your feelings of discomfort and jealousy, and why radical acceptance of these emotions is a key part of the…
E222 · 26 Jun 2024 · 55 min
Ep 222: Transforming Trauma with Empathy with Dr. Jody Carrington
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Dr. Jody Carrington, psychologist, speaker, and three time author known for her expertise in trauma, connection, relationships, and mental health, to discuss emotional regulation, how to be emotionally available in what Dr. Jody calls a loneliness epidemic, and the transformative power of leading with kindness and compassion. What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨The importance of emotional regulation as the foundation for healthy relationships and effective leadership✨The need for more supports for first responders and the…
E221 · 19 Jun 2024 · 20 min
Ep 221: Finding the Right Therapist
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we delve into the complexities of the therapeutic process and how to trust your inner voice as you navigate the challenges of finding the right therapist for yourself. If you have a question for Dené and Vanessa, click here. Or, if you’d like to apply for a live coaching session, click here.What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨The importance, as a therapist, to understand individual client needs and examine your own reactions and countertransference during therapy✨How interviewing therapists is similar to the early stages of dating, and why…
E220 · 12 Jun 2024 · 26 min
Ep 220: Live Coaching Session: Navigating Calm Amidst Chaos
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Veronica, joining us for a second live coaching session, to discuss her experiences with social anxiety and navigating calm environments after growing up in a chaotic household. If you have a question for Dené and Vanessa, click here. Or, if you’d like to apply for a live coaching session, click here.What You’ll Gain from this Episode:✨Why growing up in chaos can lead to feeling uncomfortable and anxious in calm environments, and how to begin to reset your nervous system ✨The importance of somatic awareness and…
E219 · 5 Jun 2024 · 43 min
Ep 219: Humans Loving Humans with Todd Baratz, LMHC
In this episode of Cheaper than Therapy the Podcast, we sit down with Todd Baratz, LMHC, a certified sex therapist, licensed individual and couples psychotherapist, co-host of the Our Diagnonsense Podcast, and writer who specializes in relationships and sex. We talk about relationships, his philosophy that “you aren’t fucked up - our culture is,” and his first book, How to Love Someone Without Losing Your Mind which is available now! Todd is one of our favorite people and we had so much fun during this conversation. We know you’re going to have so many take-aways and love this conversation…

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Typical length: 42 min
Latest episode: 29 Sep 2025
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