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Down the Rabbit Hole

Welcome to Down the Rabbit Hole—a podcast where two artists, best friends, and lifelong seekers wander into the depths of what it means to be fully alive. We're not here to give you answers. We're here to ask better questions. About art, about grief, about the body, about love, longing, leaving, an

New episodes: Every two weeks
Typical length: 1 hr
Latest: 3 Sep 2026
Language: English

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3 Sep 2026 · 1 hr

Episode 24: Jetlag Silly-Goosery Into Existential Crisis

After returning home from the Tour du Mont Blanc and settling back into life together in Boston, Sam and Bri unpack the strange emotional whiplash of transitioning from an intense, immersive adventure back into ordinary life. What begins as a series of hilarious stories about jet lag, Chili's, getting lost, peeing their pants, and sleeping for 14 hours eventually opens into a much deeper conversation about fear, identity, creativity, aging, capitalism, surveillance, social media, and the desperate need for real human experience. Bri reflects on the fear that comes with being in a…

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E23 · 14 Aug 2026 · 1 hr 28 min
Episode 23: The Tour du Mont Blanc: Trekking 10 Days in the Alps, Pain Thresholds, and Vulnerability
We actually survived the Tour du Mont Blanc, all 115 miles of it. In this episode, we strip away the more polished, aesthetic ideals of completing a trek of this magnitude, and we talk about the real, the gritty, and the type of silly goosery born out of a physical exhaustion that is hard to articulate. We were out there for 10 days and we're still processing it. The Swiss, French, and Italian Alps delivered the jaw-dropping immersion we came for, and with those highs can come some pretty grueling lows as well. We discuss how we handled some of the hardest moments, as well as describing in…
S1 · E22 · 26 Jun 2026 · 59 min
Episode 22: Are You Still an Artist When You're Not Creating?
In this little re-connection episode, Bri and Sam discuss the ebbs and flows of the creative process: what it looks like to navigate transition, creative cycles, and how to embody the artist identity, even when you are stepped away from the work. Bri shares more about how her solo travel time is impacting her creative process, while Sam shares this year's big integration of a move and how that has prevented more work from being made. At the end of it all, they lean into the deep trust for the creative process, why connecting to your own divinity is essential to creative power, and so much…
E21 · 10 Jun 2026 · 57 min
Episode 21: Rewriting the Rules of Power with Hannah Wicklund
This week, we're joined by friend, creative collaborator, and wildly talented musician Hannah Wicklund , for a conversation recorded from Edinburgh, Scotland. We celebrate the launch of her latest creative endeavor, the Strawberry Moon Tribune , a new print publication featuring contributions from Sam, Bri, and dozens of other creatives, and discuss the importance of creating spaces where artists can amplify one another's voices. We also dive into Hannah's remarkable self-made journey, from touring throughout her teens and twenties, to recently performing in Jimi Hendrix's London flat , to…
29 May 2026 · 1 hr 17 min
Episode 20: The Hidden Exhaustion Women Carry: Hyper-vigilance, Creativity & Self-Safety
In this episode, Sam and Bri go down the rabbit hole of hypervigilence as a woman, and the many facets and identities that can form because of it. They unpack the experience of hosting their Paris retreat, the contrast between American culture and European ways of living, and the tension many women feel between presence and productivity while traveling. Bri shares more about her current solo travel adventures in Europe, and the noticing of hypervigilence, protection, and what it looks like to balance all of that... how women are conditioned to anticipate everyone else's needs, overperform…
E19 · 7 May 2026 · 40 min
Episode 19: Following the Creative Thread: Live from Paris
We're recording live from Ledger Studio in Paris while we prepare to lead a creative retreat, reflecting on the strange and beautiful paths that creativity can pull us down when we actually listen to it, and follow the threads. In this episode, we share a few ridiculous moments from life on the road, the unexpected places creativity has taken us, and how learning to trust your intuition can completely reshape both your art and your life. We explore what it means to follow the thread as artists, even when the next step doesn't fully make sense yet, and how that willingness can lead to the…
E18 · 17 Apr 2026 · 1 hr 16 min
Episode 18: The Birth of Body Is the Blueprint
We're introducing Body Is the Blueprint, our new embodiment institute born from years of navigating the art world, questioning stability, and redefining what it means to build a sustainable creative life. In this episode, we unpack the myth of the "fragile artist," share the moments where conscious embodiment shifted our lives, and explore how learning to trust the body became the foundation for everything we've created. This is the origin story, not just of a business, but of a new way of living, creating, and leading. This episode is the beginning of something new. We're sharing the story…
S1 · E17 · 3 Apr 2026 · 1 hr 23 min
Episode 17: The Fear Economy and the Systems That Keep Us Small
This episode explores how fear is embedded into the systems that shape our lives....and who benefits from it. Sam and Bri talk about how fear influences major life transitions, creativity, relationships, influencer culture, capitalism, and even the stories we inherit from past generations. From compliance culture to codependency, we unpack how insecurity is often reinforced because it keeps us consuming, comparing, and doubting ourselves. They talk very personally about their own visbility wounds, relationship patterns, and fears. They also explore how platonic relationships, individual…
S1 · E14 · 19 Mar 2026 · 1 hr 21 min
Episode 16: The Aesthetic of Obedience in Beauty Standards: Clean Girl, Trad Wives & the Return of Skinny Culture
In this episode of Down the Rabbit Hole , we unpack the cultural moment we're living in—and how beauty standards are never just about beauty. From the rise of the clean girl aesthetic to the rebranding of trad wife culture, we explore how discipline, control, and obedience are being repackaged as aspirational lifestyles. What looks like "wellness," "simplicity," or "femininity" on the surface often carries deeper messaging about who women should be….and how they should behave. We also dive into the return of skinny culture and the eerie parallels between today and the early 2000s—from…
S1 · E15 · 6 Mar 2026 · 57 min
Episode 15: The Healing Power of Gathering (Plus Ringworm and Swords)
In this episode of Down the Rabbit Hole , Sam and Bri spiral (naturally) from creative retreats to Parisian art history to jujitsu mats and, somehow, swords. At the heart of the conversation is their shared belief that creative retreats are not indulgent escapes — they're a return. A way to refill the creative well. A way to remember who you are outside of productivity, partnership, motherhood, performance. They reflect on the power of gathering women in wild landscapes — the wildlife encounters, the preparedness, the reverence for nature — and how being outside strips away hierarchy. They…
E14 · 21 Feb 2026 · 1 hr 9 min
Episode 14: Artists: Safety, Cycles, and Self Trust
This one is for the artists . In this episode, Sam and Bri talk shop, fully and without censor, all the ebs and flows of choosing a creative life path, the highs and lows, and everything in between. Choosing to create your own career comes with incredible freedoms, and often a total lack of structure. The artist must not only create the art, but must become an expert at self trust, nervous system regulation, and personalized daily structure. Finding your creative people is the greatest tool of all. We get to choose our own god, we decide who gets the front row seats to our lives, Sam loves…
6 Feb 2026 · 1 hr 8 min
Episode 13: Navigating Shadow, Sensitivity, and Collective Strength
In this episode, Sam and Bri unpack the collective grief and rage many women are carrying, using Renee Good's killing to name the quiet power dynamics women navigate every day. They dive into feminism, masculinity, and their privilege as white women, while also reminding listeners to look for the collective good still alive in the world. From there, heading directly into self work, emotional capacity, attachment styles, and the necessity of learning to receive. Sam reflects on a retreat that taught her to make fewer decisions and soften into receptivity. They dive into shadow work as women,…
S1 · E12 · 23 Jan 2026 · 39 min
Episode 12: Rejecting Collective Apathy, Considering Rage
The rabbit hole this week explores the outrage gap we feel between men and women, the power in shifting the gaze inward, the nuance of learned helplessness, and the seductive nature of political apathy. 00:00 Welcome Back and New Beginnings 04:04 Sponsorship Woes and Podcasting Realities 10:28 Collective Gaslighting: Women's Experiences 16:15 The Outrage Gap: Men and Women's Issues 23:13 Learned Helplessness and Political Apathy 29:45 Reclaiming Agency and Community
9 Jan 2026 · 58 min
Episode 11: What We've Learned This Year
In this light-hearted episode, Bri and Sam discuss their issue with the New Year being too pressurized, fun memories and traditions of the New Year, and how the choose to set goals. They each give each other insight to the lessons they've learned: from breaking toxic relationship patterns to leaning in to self trust as a single woman. This episode focus on taking moments of gratitude and reflection for all that's happened this year.
19 Dec 2025 · 57 min
Episode 10: Creating Traditions, Seasonal Stillness, and Consuming Christmas
We dive into the emotional weight of nostalgia, the beginnings of holiday consumerism, and the importance of creating our own traditions as an act of self love. We share some of the grief and healing that can come with stillness and seasonal cycles, and we also attempt to give some of our Christmas traditions the credit where they're due.
S1 · E9 · 5 Dec 2025 · 54 min
Episode 9: Health Advocacy and The Pelvic Floor Part II
In this episode, Sam and Bri continue exploring a conversation with friend and Pelvic Floor Therapist Dr. Kayleigh. They talk about health class and the shame it implements at a young age, how the world discounts intuitive bodily sensation, and the power of diaphragmatic breathing for strength, healing and resilience. The conversation works around chronic illness and pain as they talk about their own personal experiences while weaving in Dr.Kayleigh's widsom. They discuss the power of meditation for chronic pain, alongside the different areas of the brain that signal pain— how cash-based…
S1 · E8 · 21 Nov 2025 · 1 hr 24 min
Reclaiming Your Body: Chronic Illness, Pelvic Floor Healing, and Radical Self-Advocacy
In this episode, we're joined by our friend and pelvic floor physical therapist, Dr. Kayleigh, and we go way down the rabbit hole on chronic conditions, the body keeping the score, and what it can look like to learn how to heal your own body from the inside out. We get radically honest about our personal medical stories: endometriosis, appendicitis, chronic constipation, and even peeing ourselves while running—and how each experience has shaped our relationship to our bodies. Dr. Kayleigh offers invaluable insight from the provider perspective, reminding us what's possible when you have a…
7 Nov 2025 · 43 min
Episode 7: What the Body is Worth
This week, after a brief detour into the Hamilton obsession, Bri takes us back to her former life in the New York modeling world - and the unique relationship she developed with her body along the way. Sam shares her own experience with bodily perfection and the pressure as a dancer. They unpack body image, identity, and the ways society shapes what we think we want.
10 Oct 2025 · 1 hr
Episode 6: Navigating the Gray Areas: Male-Female Friendships, Power, and Safety
Can men and women really just be friends? In this conversation, Bri and Sam unpack the intricate dynamics of platonic relationships across gender lines. They explore the nuance of power imbalances between men and women, sharing personal experiences of feeling unsafe and the ways these dynamics shape our interactions… even in friendships. From the tension between genuine connection and underlying sexual chemistry to the question of whether true platonic friendship can exist when power differentials are at play… Bri and Sam get vulnerable about the moments they've felt their boundaries tested,…
26 Sep 2025 · 1 hr
Episode 5: Recovering 'Cool Girls' and Female Competition
In this episode we're diving into competition as women, life as recovering 'cool girls', toxic views of femininity that take a lot of dismantling. We also share our personal icks, the creepy masks of our childhood, and we'd love to 'make men gather for wholesome reasons again'.
11 Sep 2025 · 40 min
Episode 4: Life Transitions, and the Inconvenience of Friendship
Sam and Bri talk about the messiness of transition, living between homes and lives, and leaning on the help you didn't have to ask for.
29 Aug 2025 · 1 hr 3 min
Episode 3: Reclaiming the Multidimensional Self
In this episode, Sam and Bri dive into the complex topic of severing parts of the self in order to be more palatable. They share their own experiences of shrinking various sides of themselves in order to be taken seriously in the art world, what it means to be a multidimensional human, and how specialization culture is harming our global community. They chat about how women are the real outlaws, Bri's landlord being the big Lebowski, and Sam will have to be taxidermied for her tattoos to live forever
15 Aug 2025 · 38 min
Episode 2: Art School Reject and There's Caulk on My Painting
Sam and Bri talk academic rejection, career validation, burning paintings, falling studio ceilings, and wrestling the tension between deeper work and social media.
28 Jul 2025 · 51 min
Episode 1: Imposter Syndrome and Growing Into Your Eyeballs
Sam and Bri discuss how they met during the early phases of their careers, a van trip out west, and imposter syndrome and its many faces. Not without recalling a few unfortunate doctor visits, the true cost of toxic relationships, and the way we catch ourselves after we jump off a cliff.

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Down the Rabbit Hole is a English arts & books podcast from Bri + Sam. Melo plays each episode straight from the publisher's own feed — no ads added, no account needed — and remembers where you stopped, in this browser only.

Publisher: Bri + Sam
Language: English
Category: Arts & Books
New episodes: Every two weeks
Typical length: 1 hr
Latest episode: 3 Sep 2026
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