264: Larger Consciousness System w/ Tom Campbell

0:05Speaker 1:Weird thing that happened in the weird My name is Ryan Bledsoe and I'm joined with my sister.

0:29Speaker 2:Say hello, Hi, I'm Emily Bloodsoe Holloway, and.

0:33Speaker 1:We are here with mister Tom Campbell. We are big fans of his. But also I would say, you know family friends, Hey, Tom.

0:41Speaker 3:Yes, family friends. Definitely. Your sister here saved us when we were when we were at the contact in the desert, we were getting off a plane, kind of half a sleep, half awake after multiple flights, and we didn't know where we were going, or what we were doing, or where the venue was or anything else. And this little angel shows up. This is all I've been looking for. You come, we have a car for you. And it's like that, that's nice. Where are we going? I was kind of a thing. So then we went out to the car and suddenly I had to hit and we haven't gone to baggage yet, we haven't even collected our bags. So ran in and grabbed our suitcases and gotten this car, and sure enough it took us right to where we needed to go, right when we needed to be there.

1:28Speaker 3:So we'd still probably be wandering around in at airport two months later two months later. Absolutely, yeah, you were. You were an angel that showed up just the right time for us because we were we were shot. We've been at it probably I can't remember the series of hops we had to take in the airplane, but it was enough that we were and it was late, I think it was late at night.

2:00Speaker 2:It was I was looking. I was looking for you too, and then I turned and I was like, oh, there they are. And then it just it worked out. And that's kind of how consciousness works. You know, you're you have the thought, you have the need, and then it arrives right as you need.

2:13Speaker 3:It, so everything falls at your feet just as you Yeah, we needed somebody to show us which way to go and put us in a car. Totally, that's what we got.

2:23Speaker 2:And then we had the best conversation. It was awesome.

2:26Speaker 1:So yeah, well, I'd like to add that you sort of just appeared into our lives. So for those that aren't aware of us on on Tom's channel here, my sister and I are the two of the children of Chris bloodso he's a well known you know, UFO experience or contact tea, whatever you want to call it, and we had become aware of your work through being introduced to the Monroe Institute, and my sister and I had been on a journey sort of going through you know, Batway and these kinds of things, and shortly after that it seems you just sort of appeared in our lives when we needed you and becoming aware of your work and my big Toe and everything that you've done. You know, the rest is history, right, everybody here knows what it is that you've done.

3:12Speaker 3:But we just we.

3:14Speaker 1:Love you and what you do. We love we love that you're going out there and you're still on this mission of trying to sort of, in my words, you know, awaken people to the bigger picture, you know, the theory of everything. So you know, we can't thank you enough for going out there and saying the things that you say about us, and you know, and we're certainly out there saying the same about you. And so before we go too far, I want to give a special shout out and thank you to the supporters at the Light Being Tear of our Patreon. We have Mikayla Poorrier, We've got Brian Lynch, We've got Derek Longoria, We've got our married couple, Chris and Daniel Eperson, and we have our two individuals who wish to remain remain anonymous. So thank you guys very much for your support. I also want to extend a thank you to everybody who listens to the show for supporting us in any way possible, whether it's just listening for free or liking, subscribing, giving any sort of Patreon support, whatever, We truly appreciate you and are very grateful.

4:15Speaker 3:Yes.

4:16Speaker 1:So, I have a podcast called BLEDSOS said so. Mister Tom was on there recently and it was a fantastic episode. We talked about all kinds of things. One of my favorite parts is when you were a child and you're flipping magic beans and you know, altering the probability of changing the color of traffic lights down to you know, the larger consciousness system and how it will you know send you what you need in the form of UFOs. I wanted to ask you more about that. How it is that you came to this understanding of the larger consciousness system and how it because I know what you're saying to be true through experience from a different lens, if that makes sense from seeing these things my so, I'm curious how you came to the same conclusion through through your lens of the UFO phenomenon, and how the larger consciousness system or what maybe we would call God because we grew up in a church, or someone might say Shiva, or someone might say whatever, whatever, you know, how how you came to know this experientially? Does that make sense?

5:21Speaker 3:Yeah, you're asking in relation to the UFO or just in general in general.

5:26Speaker 1:It could be the UFO, it could be Bigfoot because because and please correct me if I'm wrong, but you're sort of one of the things you've been putting out there recently is that the larger consciousness system will sort of send you what you need to wake up, right.

5:39Speaker 3:It does. Yeah, Now, I came here, came I was born here with a mission, and I came here to do what it is I'm doing now. And it just was a matter of getting myself in the right place with the right information that I could do it. Not that I came in knowing that the things that I know I didn't. I came in knowing that mind could influence matter. I came in. This was just intuitively obvious to me. As I say, I was, you know, five years old, sitting in the back seat trying to make lights change green for my dad and anything else I wanted.

6:19Speaker 3:I could use my lucky beee I could you know, I could drop out in a little trance by chanting, and all of that just was I figured everybody did that, and I got that from a very young age. I was born with that. But I knew that I had to do something in the world of science. It was going to be science, and I knew eventually by the time I got in my twenties that'd have to do with writing a book. I had no idea what the subject was. I'm a scientist, not an English major. You know, writing books. It's not a thing I would naturally aspire to.

6:55Speaker 3:But I came to the big picture basically through the paranormal. I learned to do the paranormal things, and I learned a lot of that when I was with Bob Monroe. I spent a lot of time together, about eight years worth of half halftime work, and I learned all the things that were paranormal. And being a physicist, I wanted to understand how do they work, why do they work, what are the things that make them work sometimes and not work other times, what's the mechanism behind it? And I knew of the mechanism behind it because it wasn't random.

7:31Speaker 3:There was structure to it, there was order to it. And where you have structure and order, you have rules, You have ways things are because you know this is the way the rules are and this is the way reality works. So I spent a long time inside of consciousness, that is, in an altered state of consciousness, trying to figure out how all the paranormal cauld work. And I would change a voulable to what that did, change a different variable, and I'd find out what caused, what was important, what wasn't important, What could you change and it didn't make any difference? And what could you change it make a big difference. And I found a lot of things that made a big difference. One of them's diet. You know what you has a lot to do with it.

8:22Speaker 3:The state of your mind, how buddled you are, how much noises in your mind, all of those are very critical. But in the process, in this process, you know, you see yourself progressively as something small that's connected with something much much bigger than you, and that tends to build humility, and you realize in this process that what matters most isn't so much what happens, but how you react to what happens. Lots of different things can happen and they're all okay. It's how you deal with those things is what's really important, not so much what happens. And I learned that I ought to just let things happen the way they naturally do, because if I try to order them in a way that I think is best, it always messes things up, it doesn't work very well. But if I just let them be the way they are and try to make my own best choices, then they work out very well for everybody, not just for me.

9:29Speaker 3:So I learned that I was my own worst enemy as far as trying to control things. Let the control go. That happened the way they happen. You just have to deal with it however it happens. So it was in this process of understanding the paranormal things that I came to the conclusion that one consciousness is fundamental. Because I could do things in consciousness to change this reality, I can't do anything in this reality that changes consciousness. So that tells you that the errow of causality is from consciousness to the physical reality, and I understood that eventually.

10:04Speaker 3:It took me a long time to figure this out because nobody gave me any answers. There's not somebody out there that says, oh, here's how it works. You have to figure everything out from your own experience. Otherwise it's not yours. How are you going to explain it to somebody else. If somebody just told you the answer, that's not helpful. So you have to figure it out. And I wrote the books that are still out there. I've updated them a little bit, but not too much. Almost a thousand pages worth of three books, but that's mainly a theory of consciousness. And then a couple of years after that, I realized that I could derive quantum physics.

10:49Speaker 3:I understood enough about reality that suddenly quantum physics wasn't a weird science anymore. It was natural. It's the way things are. You know. In quantum physics, they have this thing about the probability wave collapses to a particle, which doesn't make any sense at all. Probability wave or mathematics. You know, particles are little chunks of matter and one doesn't turn into the other, but it is a good metaphor for what actually happens. And I realized that in a virtual reality it has to be probabilistic. It can't be deterministic because that's just too hard trying to model every particle and every you know, it makes bigger particles that make bigger things, that make atoms, that make molecules, and if you try to model it that way, it's just insane. It's way too hard to do. It has to be probabilistic. And probabilistic though, doesn't have anything that tells you what's going to happen next. If you have a deterministic model, oh, because these things happen last, what happens next is just an extrapolation of this, so you always know what happens next. But in a probabilistic model,

11:58Speaker 3:how do you know what's going to happen next, Well, you take a random draw from a probability distribution of the possibilities, and that turns out to be exactly the same as quantum physics. But it's not just for small things like quantum physics is for everything. Everything, So something that you don't know that's going to happen next. And one of my examples is you dig a hole in your backyard and you don't know what's going to be in the hole. Could be your grandfather's pocket watch that he lost. It could be dirt rocks, it could be roots, It could be a gold to balloon. If you live down on the Gulf coast, you know, it just depends.

12:37Speaker 3:There's a lot of things it could do whole. So you take a random draw the probability distribution of the possibilities, and that's what you find. Could have been your grandfather's pocket watch that was maybe one in ten times, but you just happened to draw that one, and that's what you get. So reality is created. What happens more is created on the fly with the probability draw. That's how things are done, which is exactly the way quantum physics is the world's work on on the micro level. They just don't understand it works on the big level as well.

13:13Speaker 3:If you point a telescope out into the cosmos and you see farther than anybody's ever seen before, what are you going to see? Random draw from a probably distribution of the possibilities and maybe a thousand possibilities of what could be there. But that's the one you see, So reality is created as we measure it, as we look at it. It's a virtual reality. It only renders the stuff that we can sense, that we can see. So once I got that idea, then everything else fell into place.

13:46Speaker 3:Everything else, all the you know, all the puzzle pieces that have been struggling with for years, they all just fell into place. And I realized that I can answer all the big paradoxes, you know, and that I searched for years or other paradoxes and for things that didn't work and so on. And after almost twenty years of that searching, I changed the model from a model of reality to the model of reality because for twenty years I couldn't find anything. It was an exception. But I'm a physicist very careful with the claims that I make. I have to be very sure before I make a claim.

14:26Speaker 3:So that's kind of where my big picture came from. It was just through this process. I didn't have any aha moment or any big thing that exploded in my face that gave me a bigger picture. I just gradually put all the pieces together.

14:43Speaker 1:I'm curious as you're explaining this to me, it just reminds me of what as we would say, now, you know all these like probability waves and like you said, you know one in ten thousand chances, but there's like a larger system putting all these essentially to kind of repackage what I understand you were saying. Because I am not a mathematician or a physicist, you're saying that basically reality is being rendered in real time, moment to moment, which in my understanding doing my work, which is you know, studying mystery schools and ancient knowledge as well as you know, modern stuff like your work and the institute and so forth, this was more or less common knowledge long ago, you know, in the mystery schools, and somehow or another it was whether suppressed or forgotten. So from where I'm sitting just listening to you explain these things, and you know, doing my line of work, just investigating these mysteries from all these different angles, it seems as if you've kind of in my words, probably not yours, been guided to understand core truths of reality itself. The lens of mathematics is that.

16:03Speaker 3:Yeah, I wouldn't say through the lens of mathematics, so I'd say through the lens of logic. Okay. You know, some scientists think that the only real science is mathematical science, but that's just not true if you look at biology, if you look at the evolution. Darwin spent four years on the Beagle going around observing things in the world. From those observations, he saw that there were connections between things, and he could see how they changed over time from various places, and he came up with his theory. And then since then, more and more data has come in and we find out that dolphins with fins have finger bones in them with knuckles and joints. And why did they have finger bones in there? You know, you don't need that in a fin, just a big slavic heartilage would be better, but they do because they came from the land and went back to the sea. It was different than going from the sea to the land. So a lot of again paradoxes got explained this theory. But the theory was based on observation and finding connections between logical connections between things, which is exactly what I did

17:20Speaker 3:for those thirty three years. I was observing how the paranormal works and why it works that way, and the connections between the paranormal and the normal and different kinds of paranormal, and so science needs to run on logic. Mathematics is a very narrow field of logic called the logic of quantity. But you look at the objective world, and the objective world is all about quantity. Everything has weight and size and mass, and you know, whatever it's got these properties, they're all measurable. So the objective world is very easily explainable with mathematics. So as long as you're trying to explain the physical world, math is a great tool. It works because the physical world is you know, it's physical. It's all about quantity, so mathematics explains it very very well. But then when you talk about the subjective world, conscious mathematics isn't valuable at all. It doesn't follow mathematics, but it does follow logic. It's got the order and the process and all of that works, you know, with structure. That's very meaningful. So science runs on logic only.

18:38Speaker 3:Objective world runs on mathematics. Mathematics won't tell you about love or caring or friendship or any of the things that really matter in your life. Mathematics can't tell you anything about it because they're not objects, they're not physical speriences. All the experiences take place in consciousness.

19:04Speaker 1:That's a great distinction. I'm glad that you cleared that up. I'm trying to follow what you're saying without a scientific brain, but I'm more of the subjective side, you know, the consciousness side. But I'm curious how you came to those conclusions, like things such as you know, love, friendship, kindness and how they matter and those kinds of things that exist in the subjective realm. What ultimately led you from that sort of material scientist view to and then of course the journey through Monroe and studying the paranormal, but then ultimately being spiritual, ultimately understanding that there has to be some sort of you know, heart centered whatever you want to call it, practice or life or you know, form of being.

19:53Speaker 3:Well. I suspect it was just exploring those paranormal things, because when you do paranormal things, one of the main things you have to learn to do is to turn off your intellect. You need to stop trying to assess it and just experience it. And as you experience things, you you know, like I said, you find out you're a very small thing and a very big and a very big pattern, and that gives you humility. But as you get into the world of experience, then it's it becomes obvious that experiences that matter are things like relationship.

20:35Speaker 3:Like Karen, if you think what in your world that really matters, it's how you relate to other people. It's family, it's you know, what can we say, you know, things that philosophers and metaphysicians might talk about. That stuff that's in the soft side over in the in the subjective world, is really what's important in life. You know, if you take if you take you know, the subjective and the objective and kind of look at them differently, you'll find everything that really matters to use over on the subjective side.

21:10Speaker 3:The stuff on the objective side that's just the stuff. You know, it doesn't matter that much whether you have a nice car or an old car. You know, so what that's not really important. Do you have someone that you love and that loves you. That's important. So you come to the conclusion that it's the subjective side is where is where the real meaning is. And I sometimes make the metaphor that it's like a play. Nobody comes to a play to watch the props. You know, the props is just the stuff. Yeah, they're nice. Without props, it's hard to do to play, but people come because of the the dichonomy between the players and what they're thinking and feeling and how they interact. That's why people come to Yeah, it's the emotions, the feelings is sperience is the story. That's what's important, not the props. So here we are with the objective world. It's just the props.

22:07Speaker 3:This is stuff. Stuff is nice, and we need stuff, but it's not the stuff that's really important. What's really important relationships, connections to other people, being helpful, being kind, caring. If you're in that subjective realm and you're self centered, you raise enterpret you create problems. It's all about me, and you're going to create problems wherever you go. You'll create problems for yourself and for everybody else Whereas if you're other centered and you care about other people, you'll solve problems. So you just don't have to be too bright to figure that out. You know, even if physicists can come to that conclusion that it's the subjective world, it's the world of kindness and sharing that is important, and the opposite of carrying and kindness just creates trouble, and that the objective world is nothing but the props.

23:07Speaker 3:It's not really that important. Doesn't matter whether you live in a house with a dirt floor or in a house you know, on the hundredth floor looking out over a vast landscape. Doesn't matter. If you don't have any friends, if there's nobody that likes you, or you like your life is miserable, right, it doesn't the rest of it, The props really don't matter at all. The people and the experience inside that matters.

23:33Speaker 2:I couldn't agree more. And we see this with the phenomenon, with what our family does, with seeing these orbs of light and all of these entities. It's like people are hungry to see. But I say on my TikTok and to people in person at events, that like, it's great to see, but what's the point. What is the point? What is it doing inside? That's what people are actually after. They're actually after the experience of that. So I'm curious. I have a lot of questions, but what we're kind of leaning into here, I'm curious how the phenomenon specifically these orbs and you know, these these intelligences that are coming through more and more. Now, how this fits in with you and your understanding of everything, because you're so beautifully touching on the importance of it being in the heart and relationships. I like to say the landscape of the heart, because I certainly believe, and we've experienced over almost twenty years of having experiences like face to face sometimes that these intelligences that we see as spiritual entities, that they know what's in your heart. They can't lie.

24:52Speaker 2:You can't lie to them, your intentions cannot be hidden from them, And so you're wrapping that up in your own wonderful perspective. So I'm curious how this phenomenon fits in to all of it.

25:06Speaker 3:Okay, fits in a couple of ways, and it all is one coherent thing. We'll start with. We'll start with, I guess, the bigger picture and work down to more details. The UFO and alien and all the rest of that put together, those are all creations of consciousness. We live, you know, in a virtual reality that's created by consciousness. So if we start with that as an understanding, we're coming to a period in time when humanity is going to have to make a very big choice about whether we move toward love or move toward back toward fear.

25:53Speaker 3:We've got both sides clamoring, and it's like we're on this edge. We can fall off to the love side, we could fall off to the fair side, and that choice is going to have to be made and made soon. It's not like that's another millennia a way. It's now. We're making these choices right now. So the larger consciousness system has been trying to pull out all the stops to make sure we make that choice on the side of love. And one of the ways it does that is by doing things that opens people's minds, because that's the first step, the first step to see in the bigger picture, is you have to crack open a mind to let in more than just this little thing that they've been living in their whole life, you know. And to do that it does a lot of things. It gives people paranormal experiences. Somebody's mother dies and three days later they get a phone call and that's their mother, you know, and they freak out whatever, but they realize that's their mother because they called her by a baby name that only the mother would know. So these things happen, and it turns people into seekers. Once you have this

27:01Speaker 3:paranormal experience, then you go put the internet and you say, who else got a phone call from their dead mother? And you start to learn things and it puts you on a path to growing up. So it does that, and most of the people are at these meetings that we go to, we always end up together at because they've had paranormal experiences is why they come. They've had experiences that can't be explained by paranormal I just mean outside of normal, which takes UFOs and everything else outside of normal experiences, and they become seekers. They want to learn more. Well, that's in preparation for this big decision that we're going to have to make soon. So the you know, the what is it the UFO or what's the other word, UAP. The UAP is part of this process of the larger consciousness in helping people wake up to see bigger pictures. And if you look at the message involved, you'll see it's all the same message the lars your consciousness system is telling people, you know, as we wake up, you have to grow up. It's about kindness, it's about love, it's about helping each other. It's not about self centeredness and grabbing. It's not about control power

28:20Speaker 3:and force military idea. It's not about domination. It's not about being right, you know, and it's trying to tell everybody that we have to grow up. Well, if you look at the at the literature that's been gathered from extraterrestrials that people even back in the nineteen fifties over in Turkey, they get thousands of volumes of interactions with certain UFO people or whatever. And if you look at all that literature, you'll find basically it's the same message. Well, you humans are just too violent and too not grown and to whatever. You won't be able to join the galactic circle because you're just not grown up enough yet.

29:10Speaker 3:You just need to mature and become kinder and gentle and more cooperative with each other. Otherwise, you know, you guys are out, you're too barbaric. It's the same message. It's exactly the same message. So in my mind, the allergic conscious system is using the UFO thing to break open people's minds to think bigger thoughts. Just gives people paranormal experiences for the same reason it gives people synchronicities for the same reason, something that's very, very improbable just happens to you, and it just happens to change your life and be really really important. But it was so improbable you kind of feel like, did this happen just by accident? Or is this somebody's plan? You know, is somebody messing with me? Well, a lot of it is the larger conscious system trying to help you evolve the quality of your consciousness, to grow up, to open your mind.

30:07Speaker 3:So I see all these things together, and one of the key ideas here is that becoming love is the goal. Fear is not the goal. So when it comes to UFOs opening the mind that there's something bigger out there, it's not just us. That's good. But what if a bunch of aliens show up and they're on all the news networks, and they and the un all get together and they shake hands and whatever. That would create lots and lots of fear because an alien, by definition, there's a whole lot more than we do, because they're able to come here and we can't go there. So already they're smarter than us. Oh and probably that means they're more powerful than us too, And oh no, and you know a lot of fear will be generated. Well, the idea isn't to generate fear. The idea is to open up minds. So we have all of the stuff. Yes, flying objects go here at MAK two, take a right turn, just keep going buck to and that's totally impossible. What we got it on radar and all that stuffs true. Yes, all that happens. Everything that people report, I should say everything.

31:20Speaker 3:There's some people making up for attention, but most of the things that people report are real things that they have experienced. Yeah, well, it's easy to create an experience in averse reality. Flying saucer lands in your yard, leads divots in the grass, burns a hole where the exhaust comes out. It's just data, data in your data stream.

31:42Speaker 1:There it is that happened in our backyard, believe it or not.

31:46Speaker 3:It's not like some being has to do it. It's just data. It's in your information stream. That data shows you the burnt grass and the divots and everything else. So it's easy for it to do. But I noticed that it has never put the alien shaking hands yet, and I think that's because that's going to be a big fear driver that's going in the wrong direction. So it's funny that we have all these signs and all and all this experiences and so on to open people's minds, but we don't actually have any aliens that are walking around, you know, chatting with us, because that's just going in the wrong direction. You know. Another thing is crop circles.

32:30Speaker 3:It's the same thing. Ten acres of crops turn into this beautiful mathematical pattern that would take a team of fifty surveyors three months to lay out, and they trample everything around in the process of laying it out. But there it is no explanation. So most people, because they don't understand virtual real they would say, well, aliens must have done it, because we can't do it, so it must be aliens doing it. Well, it's the larger consciousness system doing it for the same reason that it's doing aliens.

33:00Speaker 3:It wakes people up and says, hey, look, there's something bigger going on here that's more than just your humans. Wake up to that fact. And so I see the alien thing as being just part of a process of growing up. And you see, you guys came into this through the alien experience, But where did you end up in the love experience, Right, that's where you end up. Well, that's the whole point, you say, that's the whole point. You end up with the love experience. And your dad was picked out because he's a very honest, straightforward, incredible guy.

33:45Speaker 3:And if anybody had to tell people that he's all an alien, he would be the one to do it because you can believe him because when he explains it, you can feel the you can feel the emotions in his voice. You hear it, you know, you can see it in his face. He's telling you exactly what happened, and you'd have to be really numb to miss the authenticity in his delivery. So that's one reason why he was picked. Another reason is is he had the character to deal with it. Not a lot of people would, but he has the character to deal with it and to say what he saw and not say, well, I'm going to just hide this and I'm never going to tell anybody about this. And he had.

34:32Speaker 4:The the resilience, the strength, the grit to be able to stand up and say this is what I saw and say it in a way that it's very very credible.

34:47Speaker 3:And then he made Then he made that deal with the larger conscious system. And he said, well, you promised to bring those lights whenever I want them, and you'll get them otherwise, you know, I don't have credibility here. I need to be able to do something or show something otherwise I'm just another cake. So they agreed. They said, all right, I see your point. You're right. This is not going to go anywhere if we don't back you up. So they did. So, now he can do that in the conscious systems just information, it's just data. I think.

35:18Speaker 3:Here's the data. A little light. There's a little light or a little light, you know, and the lights can dance around and do whatever they do. It's an easy thing to do. Larger kinds of system We can create a light with hardly in the effort at all. So there it is. Now, because he does that and can do that, he has tremendous credibility because nobody else can do that. He can do something nobody else can do. That makes him very special. That makes what he says very credible. So that's why he has this ability in this gift. Because it's necessary to open people's minds and get them thinking in bigger pictures, and it's all part of the larger conscious system of prepping us two in the next five or ten years go to the side of love rather than fall off to the side of fear.

36:11Speaker 3:We have to grow up. We have to get enough people who crack their minds open to think bigger pictures and say, it's not just about how much money you have and how big your house is and how nice a car you have. If that's not really what life's about. It's bigger than that. There's things in the universe. There's things you know here that are much bigger than the stuff and the props on the stage. Let go to props, pay attention, pay attention to what's going on in your life and what's important and what's not. So that helps.

36:45Speaker 3:So this whole thing is all tied together. It's all about consciousness. It's all about helping people grow up find love. And your dad expresses that terrific. You know. He's just kind and it's gentle and it's giving as you get to ask any human to be. And he shows that. The people get that when they're around him, they see that he's a piece with what he's doing and what he's got, and he's confident with it and he tells his story and it helps people see bigger pictures. So what he's doing, what I'm doing that you guys are doing, but a whole lot of people here are doing what Iler's doing. It's all part of the same process. Yes, you know what he's trying. What Iceler's trying to do is make CYH not a not a you know, a woo woo thing, but a real thing in the public so that the public can see, Look, this is natural.

37:52Speaker 3:People do this. You could do this yourself if you try, and that will bring in another open mindedness, crack open a mind, another you know, in another dimension. And it's all part of the same big picture process. So the UFO, the you know, the stuff I do about science and physics and better physics, the things that Eisler's doing about trying to get people to see SI as a real thing by making it into a game and making it fun. You know, we're all rowing, you know, we're all pulling on the oars in the same direction. And it takes all of that to succeed. Takes all of that to succeed.

38:39Speaker 3:And back in the eighteen hundreds, the larger kinds of system knew that all of this was going to come to a head one day, and it's come to a head now because basically of the Internet. Twenty five hundred years ago, the Buddha could get up on a rock and if you had a really loud voice, maybe a hundred people could hear it. That's all. Now with the Internet, if you say something really interesting, a billion people can hear you that day. The megaphone has gotten huge, so we now have an opportunity for big change in big ways across billions of people, rather than well, one hundred people got that message, you know, and one hundred people at the time, you don't get through nine billion people.

39:27Speaker 3:You know, disintegrates faster than you can grow it. But with the megaphone we have today, we have for the first time in history and a chance to take a big step forward inspirtuality and growth and caring about each other and love. We have that opportunity now all we have to do is actualize it. And to actualize it, first step is get people kicked out of their rut so that they have a bigger picture, thinking in bigger terms and bigger possibilities, so they don't feel that they know everything already. That there's something mysterious out there, and that helps that helps them see bigger pictures. The next thing is going to have to happen is the scientists.

40:13Speaker 3:I think I have to agree that virtual reality is a is a better idea. When they do that, that's going to kick off a whole sea state change in attitudes. But what does that mean? And in the beginning it will be a lot of fighting, my god, it's a better programmer than your gods, that sort of thing. But then we'll get over that and people will see that and they'll realize that it's about love. That's the big deal. That's the thing. And when that happens, even if we only get ten percent of the people will agree, the other ninety percent will come in four or five years because that ten percent will be so much happier, so so much more smiles, so much more productive than the part that's still being fear based. The fair based people want to I want to be like them, So it'll but you have to have a sizeable minority before that takes you know, it goes on the self chain reaction, and a decade later you'll have most of the population thinking that love is the most important thing. Not the props.

41:21Speaker 3:So that's where we're going. That's why we're going there. It's because we're being pushed. Now's the time. We're going to have to make the choice. That's because of the technology. Now's the time. And if we make the wrong choice, then we'll back up probably twenty years or one hundred years. But we'll get there again. We'll just keep jugging until we make it.

41:44Speaker 2:Eventually, we'll get.

41:46Speaker 3:There because evolution, you know, it just keeps pushing on.

41:50Speaker 1:I was, I was recently. You've reminded me of something that happened to me recently. I was reading a text about this kind of not commonly known thing called Cashmiri Shaivism, and it's just like a small section of tantric Hinduism that popped up a thousand years ago in Kashmir, which you know is no longer a country. And reading these tantric texts from you know, this kind of Vedic tradition, it just I couldn't help but feel like I was reading a blueprint of understanding in English translation of Sanskrit words, a blueprint of understanding the hollow, fractal nature of the supreme being or the larger consciousness system sort of unfolding reality from thought.

42:39Speaker 3:You know, when I'm.

42:39Speaker 1:Reading this Vedantic philosophy, it feels like they were saying what you're saying now, which is that the universe itself is a hologram from the mind of one being. So and I find that very interesting. And it seems like that's what they were all saying, you know, Egypt, so on and so forth, Persia, Greece, and you know, all the mystery schools.

43:00Speaker 3:It is been around for a very long time. I get. I get this all the time. They say, you know, have you been studying you know, are you a Tibetan Buddhist? And I'll say, no, I'm not a Tibetan Buddist. The say, well, you sound like one. You know, I've been studying Tibetan Buddhism for the last fifteen years, and you sound just like a Tibetan Buddhism. And then I get are you what are the cabbalas now? And they say, well, you sound like one because I've been studying that for years.

43:28Speaker 3:My teacher, yeah, are you a gnostic? It's the same thing. I get that from everything. You know, you come from a line of sham and because all of those things are all all the what they call mystical schools. All the mystical schools basically had a fundamental understanding of the nature of reality. That's what made the mystical schools. They were mystical because they didn't have any physical foundation for it. There was no physical foundation. So mystical schools, well, now we have a physical foundation, and that's the way the world works. That's quantum physics on a bigger scale. It's science now. So now we do have that foundation that shows that, and I think that's what's eventually going to get us to where we want to go, because it's not really mysticism anymore, it's just logic.

44:26Speaker 1:I think they were doing then, two, three, four, even five thousand years ago. I think those mystical schools were doing very much similar practices to what you were doing in the early days at the Morositute and on. You know, things like going out of body, or in the East they would say Samadhi the breathless thing, or in Egypt they would call it dream yoga, or you know, it's all these kind of same ideas, which would make sense why you've all come to the same conclusions.

44:57Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the conclusion you come to. You go down this path, it becomes.

45:02Speaker 1:It's all a hologram, it's all being rendered by some supreme intelligence, and just shape up, be kind, I love each other.

45:10Speaker 3:Yeah, I would agree with that. That's the obvious conclusion where you go. And yes, that's been the centerpiece of all the religions and particularly the mystical schools have all had that at their at their centerpiece. That's an understanding. You know, the Buddha understood the nature of reality. He didn't say this is a virtual reality. It says the reality is an illusion. Yeah, well that's the that's the best metaphor he could come up with, saying that it's a virtual reality. It's pretty much the same thing. So all of this then, even you talk to shaming, Okay, you can fly with the eagle and you can run with the wolves. Sure you can't. That's all part of an experience you can have. You can fly with the eagles, you can run with the wolves. That's not such a big deal, you know. But the shame and have the same thing. But they had it in the con text of their own nature spirit kind of. Yeah. Yeah, so it all is the same. So There have been thousands of people from every point in the world over the last two or three thousand years that have this understanding.

46:19Speaker 3:But they're all in their own little space. The Kabbalists and this and the whirling Dervishes don't communicate, don't communicate with each other, you know. So they've all been in their own little space. All those little bubbles of enlightenment with their own metaphors have been around for a long time, and now we have to collect all that together, right And it's it's not that anyone person or a group of people is going to solve this problem. It's a thousands of us. It's me, you, it's your dad. Half the people that come to these things, you know, we're also on a similar kind of path. It's all of them.

46:57Speaker 3:It's all the podcasts out there that have to do with spirits outedy and have to do with the mystical things and so on. They're all going to add together to open people's mind. A little crack here, a little crack there, and then a little bigger crack over here. And it's all part of the process that's being pushed right now with a little larger conscious system because it's gone critical in the next four or five, ten years, we're going to decide which way it's going to be.

47:26Speaker 3:And of course the larger conscious system would like it to be to fall to the side of love, because that's its forward evolution. That's what it would like to have happened.

47:38Speaker 2:Absolutely, And I was thinking about how you were talking about everything is just data. It's all data and something we say and that Dad's been saying for years. You can tell me how many years that when there's a flash or when something light shows up, it's giving you information that affects your consciousness and that there's there's real data being perceived in it. It's just like the more you think about it, the more everything is just perception.

48:04Speaker 2:Everything is just awareness. And so you can speak on that. But I'm also wondering for the viewer and for us even. I'm curious to know your thoughts on what because if the whole point is love and getting to this place, what is the application of it, Like, what can we be doing in your mind to apply all of this information day to day that can be a good practice, or you know, something tangible we can be doing to you know, use this knowledge.

48:35Speaker 3:The lots of things one things that we can do is to stop being judgmental.

48:41Speaker 1:Yes, that's our number one.

48:44Speaker 3:Yeah, stop being judgmental with everybody. And when you stop being judgmental, you stop complaining about everything. You accept things the way they are. You deal with them the best you can the way they are. You don't feel like, well, they need to change, and they need to change, and you know, I need to change those people because they're wrong and I'm right. All of that is dysfunctional. That's ego, that's fear, that's control, and it's all very dysfunctional. So we shouldn't judge people. Secondly, we need to stop trying to control things ourselves. People grow up and they want to control each other. They want to control their spouse to stop throwing the dirty underwear on the floor. They want to control this and that and other things because it's not the way they like it and it's not the way it should be according to them. So we want to control things in our life. I want my children to grow up and become professionals. They all need to become doctors, lawyers, or Indian chiefs or something more important and secure and make I go to living. And you know, we have this need for them to be

49:52Speaker 3:that way, so we try to arrange things to make it be that way. We don't want our kids to grow up to be drug addicts, So what do we do real strict We don't let them out, we don't let them date till they're twenty one. You know, we do all these kinds of things to protect them. And what we're doing is we're driving to be exactly what we don't want them to do. And need to give people the freedom to make their own choices once they're old enough to make those choices, and that comes pretty soon.

50:20Speaker 3:You need to give them that. You need not be controlling. Oh, it's all for their own good. Well, it's not really for their own good. It's because it makes you feel better. It's really self centered. It's really for your own good. But you say that for their own good, But it makes you feel safer and better if they don't go out. So if we can stop the controlling and start just the loving and the supporting, and it's good to share with people. It's good to give guidance if you have guidance, but just give guidance, try it, and never to tell anybody what choice to make. Everybody has to make their own choices. So you see people making choices that are the opposite of the choices you make. Rather than be upset with them, you just say, well, they're on their own path, drawing up and learning, and they're doing what they think is best, and good luck, you know, because if you go lecture them about how wrong they are, you'll just make them go deeper into their beliefs. So the only thing you can do is give them a space in which they feel they feel confident enough that they can actually change themselves. People don't want to change

51:32Speaker 3:themselves because it's frightening. Well what if I change myself and it doesn't work, what if it's worse than it is now? But if they give them safety where they can change themselves and know, it'll be okay because you're still going to like them. You're whatever they are, that's okay. So we need to do that. We need to realize that everybody out there has some fear in them and have some love in them, and we need to interact with the parts that we can interact with positively and let go of the parts that aren't, trying to fix the parts that aren't. So you have people in your family, you know that have ideas that you really don't mesh with yours very well. But rather than fight over it, you let them have those ideas. You have your ideas, and you connect with the other parts that you can connect with. So you connect with you know, you talk about other things. You don't bring up the things that you know are contentious or what that be. That's the way they are, that's the way you are. It's fine. Instead, let's talk about things that we both find interesting. So let people grow up on their own. Don't get angry,

52:37Speaker 3:don't get upset with things that's you feeling that. You know, the world should be different than the way it is, and you're upset because it's not the way it should be. Well, you have to realize that you're not the master of the universe and the way it should be it doesn't really exist. It is the way it is. People have to learn from the way it is, and we create our own lessons. So if we're negative and we're spiteful and so on, we create a lot of negative stuff we have to deal with. We're unhappy, we're miserable, you know, so we we create that, and that's the incentive to stop doing it, so we make ourselves miserable, and eventually we say, I need to stop doing what I'm doing.

53:27Speaker 3:I need to change and do something else. So that's you know what can we do? Yeah, be nice to each other, stop trying to control, stop trying to be in charge, stop trying to judge, and just make your own choices that you have for your own free will and make them as best as you can, and let other people do the same, and support other people. Help other people, but don't tell them what to do. Just give them advice. With my kids, I'd always tell them that there's you know, like, if you do this, they'd do something, and basically inside I would say that's a bad idea, but I wouldn't tell them that. I'd say, well, if you do this, there's five different ways that they could go, and I'd give the good side and the downside to each of the five. Every five everyone had a good side and a bad side, and I just go through all of those, and that said, you go ahead and make your best choice. Now, they typically would do what they wanted to do the first time anyway, because that's what they were thinking about. These are teenagers.

54:31Speaker 3:Teenagers like to do what they want to do. But in their mind, they already had a set of what were the bad things that might happen in that choice and the good things that might happen in that choice. So if those bad things started to happen, they'd realize it right away. Oh that's what dad was talking about. I better back up, because I see where that's going. Where If they didn't have that advice, they'd keep going until it slapped them in the face, and then it would be true late to back up. So I found that that worked better. I tried never to tell them you need to do this. I just give them guidance, and even the one that I chose, I would tell the bad side to it. Well, you won't have as much fun. Well, you won't be able to hang out with those friends. You probably have to change your friends.

55:17Speaker 3:You tell them the bad side about it as well as the good side, and let them make their own choices. And I found out that worked better than anything else. But you should do that with everybody. Don't tell people what to do, just explain. If you keep doing that, you're going to be miserable and unhappy. You know, or you know you could find that you win the lottery, maybe everything will be great. That's true. You have to decide, you know, what's in your own best interest.

55:49Speaker 2:Yeah, it sounds like exactly what we talk about a lot with the phenomenon. Again, it's like accountability, like true accountability, And people don't like to hear that part the application of this. There's not a specific ritual, a specific modality or method that is a one size fits all. But what is a one size fits all I think is honoring free will of your own free will and others, like you're saying, not controlling, really honoring that because the phenomenon cares about free will as much as they care about not scaring everyone, right, So free will and then, like true accountability is I think something everyone would benefit from.

56:30Speaker 2:And there's not a necessarily specific way to do that, but everyone intuitively could do it if they had the intention and the actual desire to hold themselves accountable. Because the implication of what blossoms and happens after we look at ourselves honestly and say, how can I improve? How can I really embody love and you know, respect others and see them with true compassions.

57:00Speaker 3:So I say that's slightly differently I say that it doesn't really matter if you make mistakes. It's not about not making mistakes. You can make a lot of mistakes. That's fine. What is the problem is if you don't learn from those mistakes. And that's where accountability comes in. So you make a choice, you make it your best choice. You consider everything you can consider, and you say, well, there's my choice. Well, don't be unable to make a choice because you don't know the right answer. Come up with your best choice, do it, do it fully, do it, do it totally, and then look at the consequences, look at the results, and learn something. Now, if the results are wonderful, you learned that you made a really good choice and you had the right idea. If things don't come out so well, you got to say why not?

57:52Speaker 3:What did I miss? What is it that I didn't understand? What could I have done better differently? And then you learn from it. And this is accountability where you look back at all of the things you've chosen and you decide whether you could have done a better job and why, and then figure out next time, why is it You're going to do it differently? You know, and you learn something, and that's that's life. You go through life, but you keep learning things, which means you keep progressing and progressing and progressing. It eventually you know you are on the path that you want to be on. But it's accountability and that you don't just do something and go oh, well that didn't work out too well and then go on.

58:37Speaker 3:That's not accountability. Accountability is where you say, well, what's my part in that? What did I do that helped that? And what should I do better next time? Now you're going to just continue to improve and improve and improve. Without the accountability, you don't improve, you just keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

58:55Speaker 2:I think it's the accountability of the intention right because make this as you know, live the life, make the choices. But if your intentions aren't really right, and a lot of us, you know, will get away with doing things that aren't from a good place, a good centered, exactly place. And that's the accountability I think is what really matters.

59:14Speaker 3:The intention, your right intention. Morality is based on intention, not on act. There are acts that could be moral and moral depending on the intention, you know, So it's the intention that that makes That's where the moral judgment comes. Is that what intention did you have, because sometimes you have good intentions, but they have bad consequences because you didn't think of all the variables that were in the mix. Well, you learn from that, and that's okay.

59:47Speaker 1:It just reminds me, you know, I was really Florida when you said your first thing was well, she asked, how do you apply this in your daily life? What kind of practices? And you know, you said the first thing is don't don't be judgmental, and that made me feel like I'm sitting here being lectured by my father.

1:00:02Speaker 3:And I don't mean that.

1:00:03Speaker 1:I don't mean that you're lecturing me. I mean that, as I was growing up, my father would lecture me, don't be judgmental, you know, be positive. All the things that you said are things that he has just rammed into our heads since we were little. And for all the kind epithets and praises that you've said about our dad, I mean the same that we could say about you. That It just it feels like in my mind, you guys, meaning you and my dad and many others like you, they're you know, the Buddha whoever, people who have achieved a certain level of wisdom and life. I feel like there's just a switch that happens where you begin to resonate with truth, with that core truth, and then people are, you know, we're young, you're what, twenty nine, I'll be thirty three next weekend. We've got a long way to go, you know, And then we learn from you guys, and it's just like makes me scratch my head. Like here I am at thirty two saying, oh, man, I guess my dad was kind of right when I was a oh you know, because as a teenager he would say, be positive, don't be judgmental, all these things, and I'm like, okay,

1:01:15Speaker 1:get a grip, dad, this is annoying. And now I'm a thirty two and I'm like, you were right, you know, And as we grow, we gain this wisdom. And I just feel like when I'm listening to you, it's like I'm hearing the same lessons my dad raised me with. And so so I can't help, but wonder is there some is there just some sort of process of awakening that occurs that is, you know, to you, it's physics to you, it's quantum physics to you, it's logic. To my dad, it's the lady it's the phenomenon, it's the orbs.

1:01:49Speaker 1:But it's the same message, you know, to the same source, same message. Yeah, same source, same message, different language, yeah, you know, and we.

1:01:58Speaker 3:Need the different languages. There's a lot of different people in the world that speak different languages. Yeah, And you know, what works for some doesn't work for others. So you know, I'm working from like a science perspective and a metaphysical and perspective of philosophical perspective. He's working there from a totally different perspective, but we're doing the same thing.

1:02:19Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the UFO perspective, but like you said, it's the same source.

1:02:24Speaker 3:It's this.

1:02:25Speaker 1:I really believe that truth itself is multi dimensional and that what you call the larger consciousness system. We just say God or the phenomenon or the beings. We have a number of words because we just throw out all these different words because I think they resonate differently, you know, with different people. And I really do think that it's multi dimensional and it's a truth that's ineffable, and it can be achieved in states like what you've done in your work, or my dad through trauma or whatever, and it presents itself to you, meaning you, my dad, and all these other mystics in a way that resonates with you so deeply, and that you are so proficient and understanding that you can turn around and then you can crack other people's minds open, if that makes sense. That's what I think is happening.

1:03:17Speaker 3:My job, that's why I came here. I don't know if your dad says the same thing or not, but yeah, that's that's my job. That's why, that's why I incarnated here at this time, and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. And your dad was picked because he had those understandings, He had that quality that he needed to be credible and to take the message and have the gumption and the courage to go forward with it. Yeah. Same with me. Yeah, I'm a rogue physicist that god, you know what kind of physicists does that? Right? So again, you know, an outsider that you have to you have to have the its to step up and take that and go where you need to go. But it was my Yeah, that's why I'm here. Yeah, And this is the time, yeah for it, this is the time. So all the stops are being pulled out, and this is when we're going to make the choices, I think we're going to make good choice. I think in the end we'll make a good choice. Humanity has usually pulls it out in the end. It's usually close, but they typically they pulled out a good a good response at the at the very end. But the system will not abrogate

1:04:35Speaker 3:anybody's free will. Free will is kind of sacred. If there's anything sacred, it's free will. You don't overrun somebody else's free will. I agree that that is not a good thing. It may get you what you want in the short run, but it has a higher price negative price in the long run.

1:04:54Speaker 1:Yeah, agreed. Well, I think that is a very good place to put a pin in it. And of course, you know, I think this is just such a wonderful a thing of us coming together, of you and my dad becoming friends, and you know, my sister and I had been kind of fans of yours before we knew you had ever even heard of us. I'll say this really quick, my last little thing. And I think I said this on my podcast when you were my guest, but i'll say it on your channel when we met at side games last year. How nervous, was I We were nervous Tom Campbell's going to be here, Tom Campbell's going to be I was. I was like I was in the process of, you know, becoming an outreach trainer for the Monrostitute and and you know, like I'm going through week long intensive at the Monrostitute watching documentaries. They still show documentaries where you're talking you know, at Gateway and all these things, and you're such a fundamental part of that, that whole process and the history and you know, TC, the physicists and the books which I had to So when I met you, I was like somewhat starstruck and you're like, oh, hey to meet you, you know, friends

1:06:01Speaker 1:with your dad. I was like, you know who we are, and here we are. You know, we're friends, and it's just a wonderful thing to me. I'm very grateful that we're friends and we love you.

1:06:13Speaker 3:So and I'll tell my story on that side, please. I had not maybe I had vaguely heard, but I hadn't really ever connected with your dad. I didn't really know him. But when I got here at the side Games, I saw him and I knew that he and I needed to have a conversation. I wasn't sure about what I just knew what it was.

1:06:40Speaker 1:That's what you told me, not that you were friends, but you had a conversation.

1:06:43Speaker 3:I just needed to have a conversation with him, and that that was one of the things I was supposed to do, was make a connection with your dad. And I had the idea that I had to I had to help him see the bigger picture that he was in of all this that we just discussed about, that's all part of this thing. And when I went over and introduced myself and talked to your dad and he kind of immediately said, oh, I need to talk to you. I said, well, I need to talk to you too, but I don't know what about anyway, So he got the same message that he needed to talk to me, and the larger conscious system just put us together like that because we had exchanges of information that each other needed.

1:07:32Speaker 3:It was that sort of thing. So it's like your two need to get together there. So I had that. I was looking over at your dad and you know, UFO of God, and so I said, well, I don't know what that's all about, but I need to talk to this man. You know, it's important he needed to talk to me, so anyway we did. We had a conversation on a on a a zoom call for an hour or two, and I gave him the bigger picture of how it all together. And he was in a bit of a why me kind of a mode, and I said, because you were able to do the job.

1:08:09Speaker 3:That's why you were You were able. You know you're able. You have the credibility, you have the right mindset, you have the right quality, you have all the right things that's needed. And that's why this is something for you to do. And you can't run away from it. You can't let it go. You got to you got to do it. And I gave him a bigger picture like we talked about, and he was very thankful because he says, I've talked to a lot of people, but nobody's ever told me this.

1:08:41Speaker 1:So do you remember what it was briefly that.

1:08:43Speaker 3:You Yeah, I told him what we've just discussed, the small part of the bigger picture. Yes, those he teased, the little things with the red eyes and all of that was just information that the larger conscious system sent to him. Because he was chosen to carry this message forward and wake up a whole bunch of people from their slumber and uh, you know, trying to kick their minds out of the box that they were trapped in, you know, thinking out of the box, and that that was what he was supposed to do. And at the end, you know, he was telling me about some of the things that he had had to do and the places and the people we met, and you know, he met with somebody that wanted to shoot the lights and all the rest of the people. And I said, yeah, you you're traveling in a lot of circles that I know it is hard for you to deal with. You know, they'd be hard to hard to deal with people like that, But I said, they're part of who you're trying to wake up. They're they're yeah, they're they're part of that same thing. And and then the very last thing I told him, I said, you might not want to tell anybody about this conversation because you're you are representing this

1:10:03Speaker 3:UFO presence and to tell them that this is part of the larger conscious system making everybody up will take a lot of the wind out of your sail. So you probably don't want to mention that. You probably just want to be the ufo man, you know who talks to aliens, because that's the that's the draw that enables you to connect with a lot of people. And so I said, that's all the things that we've talked about. You probably want to not share them so much because otherwise your specialty, your connection, what draws people to you would kind of change if you talked about it in any other way. So that was just my advice, is that instead. Because he was very relieved when he saw the big picture and that yes, this was the larger consciousness, more God if you want to call it God, who was making this connection picked him because he was worthy of the job. It's probably in here to do that, and all the rest of it. It was like, all right, I put a lot of things together. I feel better now, but I don't need to tell me bout it. Everything.

1:11:11Speaker 3:Everything is the way it is, you know, and you're doing your part, I'm doing mine, and we just keep on doing what we're doing. And anyway, so it was a real good talk with your dad and he was very appreciative as he was looking for some bigger picture explanation that pulled it all together. I mean, he had a lot of it on his own. That's why it was a UFO of God. He knew that it was, you know, yeah, that he knew the connection zone, but he didn't just have the whole story. And I think that helped him see that he and I are brothers and we're just doing what we're doing, very similar work, just in very different ways.

1:11:53Speaker 1:But the same flag, the same team, the same Yeah. Yeah, we certainly feel that.

1:11:57Speaker 3:So and we're very connected to each other because we see each other like the was it the contact in the desert and something, And he and I'll see each other and we only get this big hug and he'll say, hi, brother, I love you, and I say, brother, I love you too. Just we're just really very close kindred spirits in a way that there's no rational reason for it, but we both had that feeling that we needed to connect. And he helped me solidify my concept of the UFO being consciousness driven. So he helped me, you know, solidify that concept, and I help him kind of solidify his idea that this wasn't just a weird UFO thing happening to him, but he was part of a much bigger picture that had a much bigger meaning and significance in the world and just what it seemed like.

1:12:56Speaker 1:And you know, I think that's something that he's always known too, because it's something he's always told us, but he's always been so humble, like why me, the humility, So I think maybe maybe to hear that from you was more so like feeling feeling confirmation of it.

1:13:13Speaker 3:Yeah, I think because it's exactly.

1:13:14Speaker 1:Right, something he knew, but maybe not something he has always felt about himself, you know, because we can know things, but we don't always feel them.

1:13:23Speaker 3:Well, but you can't put them into an intellectual context that you can get hold of. And I think I helped him with that, Yeah, but he helped me put together the UFO consciousness thing too, because I thought about it a little bit and I right away I told him, I said, well, this thing that you've experienced, you've experienced larger consciousness, brought that to you, gave that to you because I thought you could carry it forward. And that's that's why you're doing it. So you have to do it. Sorry, you can't back out of that when you're Yeah, it's too late. You're going to have to do that. Yeah, But at the same time I started thinking about it then, and I started thinking of the whole UFO process, and then I realized that it was the same message. New earthlanes are just too violent and barbaric. You cannot join the Great Galactic Circle yet, but we're watching you and when you grow up you can join. Well, it's the same message, you know, the larger kinds of system and all these people you know, Seth and bash are and all the others that are that are what is it a channeled They're basically all saying the same thing. Humans

1:14:39Speaker 3:need to grow up and need to be kind and need to be nicer to each other. And they tend to have the same message, but in different tones and different variations that fit different groups of people.

1:14:53Speaker 1:Right, Yeah, yeah, I totally agree, we very much. I think we've passed over time here.

1:14:59Speaker 2:So yet we are so appreciative of you and your friendship and your support and every time you comment on my.

1:15:09Speaker 3:TikTok or like we'll share, it's.

1:15:11Speaker 2:Just it makes me so happy and so grateful, and I look forward to seeing you at more events and in person and hanging out more and more. But just to shout out, I have a TikTok, I'm Bloedso Baby, and I am on Instagram Emily Holloway Voice. I have music on Spotify, Apple Music, all of those that is enhanced with the Monroe Sound Science. That's called Colors by Emily Holloway. But yeah, that's kind of how you can find me. I also have a website Emilyholloway dot com.

1:15:43Speaker 2:That's my married name. I am a blood Sooa, but yeah, that's that's me.

1:15:48Speaker 3:And then Ryan, do you.

1:15:50Speaker 1:Want to I have a podcast which I would recommend you start with my episode with mister Tom. It's called blood So Said So. And then I actually recently have become certified to run Monroe Institute programs. I'm what's called an outreach trainer, so I run Exploring Consciousness programs. That's at Ryan Bledsoeofficial dot com to you know book there so bloodsoseets so dot com and Ryan Bleddsofficial dot com.

1:16:16Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah, would you like just the new generation, like both of these young people, you know, any words of wisdom for this next generation carrying the torch, Well, just the obvious things. Never get discouraged, never give up, stick to the truth that you know, and there's always if you always make the thing, the choice that is your best choice. Then there's no way to go but up. You'll just keep evolving and evolving and things will get better and your life will be born more you know, comfortable and easy, and it just gets better time. But I know young people often feel a little lost in a big sea of tumultuous stuff going on, and they're kind of like corks on the ocean, you know, they get thrown here and there, and that feeling will get less and less the more experience you have. And you've got it together. You know what you're about, You're doing it.

1:17:23Speaker 3:That's right. You know you're doing the right thing. Stick with it and you'll see that things will just get better and better and better. And I guess the other thing is that I always say at the end is that this has to be a shared effort. It's not just you know, me and your dad and you and I alien and a bunch of people. It's thousands of other people that there are hundreds of thousands of people that are all part of opening people's minds. They're all part of where this is going. Some of them we may even disagree with, but they're still opening people's minds and it's all going to come together. I hope just the right time. I hope, maybe just before the right time, it'll all come together. So it's it's difficult sometimes and your personal life can sometimes take over where it's so demanding that you really don't have time for the things.

1:18:23Speaker 3:That's okay. I think people would tell me that they just can't find time to meditate, or they used to meditate, but they just kind of let it go. I said, that's all right. Sometimes it's time to let it go. Take the time to kind of pull all the learning that you've done together, and then you'll get the urge to start again. So be good to yourselves, be gentle, and it'll all work out in its own time, in its own way.

1:18:54Speaker 1:Profound.

1:18:56Speaker 3:Can I give a quick special mention.

1:18:58Speaker 1:We got into a bind and we sort of just decided last minute to do this and we said sure, we'd love to, and we didn't have a camera with us. So this young lady, Corey Moufo, could we just say your channel really quick? So the Phenomenon project or Corey with a K mufo. She was kind enough to film this for us. She has a fantastic and I bring this up because you said it takes hundreds of thousands of people. This young lady has a special talent of seeing orbs. She came to a SkyWatch with us and then it was off to the races and she gets really good footage. So I would also encourage you guys to check her channel out.

1:19:39Speaker 3:Very would trust forever.

1:19:42Speaker 1:Yes, And she very much was kind enough to film this for us, So I thought that, would you know, be a wonderful.

1:19:52Speaker 3:Oh and my wife.

1:19:53Speaker 2:Yes, and shout out if you heard a little baby in the background. At some point in the episode, Ryan's new your son is here with us.

1:20:03Speaker 3:Yeah.

1:20:03Speaker 1:So thank you guys, We love you very much.

1:20:07Speaker 3:Yeah, thank you, thank you.

1:20:08Speaker 1:So yeah, this was fun.

1:20:12Speaker 3:Yeah.

1:20:27Speaker 1:Weird things happened in the backyard of letting them out, the yard of letting out so weird, weird, weird,