Season 3, Episode 111 · Houshivar Podcast پادکست هشیوار
آیا ما فقط یک ماشین شیمیایی هستیم؟ مرزماده وحیات کجاست؟ با دکترعطا کالیراد، پوریا آزادی
18 Jun 2026 · 2 hr 2 min
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حیات از کجا آغاز میشود؟ آیا DNA صرفاً یک نقشه و برنامه کامپیوتری مکتوب است، یا سیستمهای زنده چیزی فراتر از کدهای دیجیتال هستند؟ مرز واقعی میان یک سیستم شیمیایی پیچیده و یک موجود زنده کجاست؟ در این قسمت از پادکست هشیوار، من، مهدی شفا (دکترای زیست شناسی سلولی و مولکولی-ژنتیک) میزبان دکتر عطا کالیراد (متخصص زیستشناسی تکاملیو بوم شناسی از مؤسسه ماکس پلانک آلمان) و پوریا آزادی (پژوهشگر زیستشناسی سامانهای و بیوانفورماتیک) هستم. در این گفتگوی عمیق و چندرشتهای و بینرشتهای، از نگاه سنتی و تقل...
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SPEAKER_00:Naha yek darwok tsudo random random generator that it can chep random so the randomist parometri physics to be both between the farm kid and check faro and darw John Dorotarafin but we common for it yes. Darwin at Taro Kordorimke allo I betormuch Farat Cephan b uh darw parametri genetic nigga uh darw normo ayane besura normo ayanic darigan cheteforme of the bo in parometri genetiki. Alba yem mach do they as darw m con horro, darwia di rodar organisme naha m almikone, cashom between befamik in code genetiki befor langi is nimi to letabilbische.
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SPEAKER_01:Uh libiter most of the model says if the key must have pattern, pattern second hand there and go in a format on our K She Valley, it's a forfan in uh therefore mo uh so in a moss of uh yeah, Mr. More Boys Mish. Uh as in Azure in Octavoza, uh that system is complex now. Ruizin is in hammock on one in ham or that in a channel channel for one is called Mukham Babish or Mukhan. Masalik Hakvin Hitchvach uh Danazara Mimir, because I hash should rather need a noble hammonjaw in Masale pattern formation.
SPEAKER_01:Masales that Janine Your Larve Magas is from what he said bandhoys or her machine that he uh in uh larv. So we raft a collection, we can assume that the mission and rafter dynamic has any band of gradient holiday mission. But in in Hampshire, the open question has a community assembly to make Hanusin saw all about ecologic solidarmour is transale community assembly, so as the ecological as if it's a very good thing. Uh jazzob yeti in masal that's that mochal mutual sat attacking, masalem me to something, and to hobby it's uh environmental robustness karmic on masalic canalization, that's a system at Hakini Chajuriba Jahish, Baba Mohit for So Mid.
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SPEAKER_00:But very fake corn dar satyham darw etas colour mickonan ho la basit baz by the hoska um uh faroyan de chenochtanch as jewes we coloun basis judas valley, mob fur castan but hosed and so that convey to the cold chenochtin, the bat rafter colira santava jungel carddi, ked uh cyber tosicodan un doshti battle pastarini or your in uh darw bon uh bitsala unkollic bonyodine over full cast yo naval over it full castor.
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SPEAKER_00:Midam Bazioman Strong Vic, you need Dastabandi do Toy Ho, Mapishno, Dastanist Toy, Darw has Tichenokti, Marefacchen of Tiva Raveshanochthia. Hobitan was the kuchiki. Um Raveshano Darwoke Salan emergence raveshanahti, ho molevachti has kid, besote practical nigov furkas care, corne mikone, bhotter mahdu diatoy abzori, more darvo the talosh mikardicol negaruvi. Hope e basse yeni bellove alal usoul uh beswat physicimitunim, fulkascaron nego, behine ni sparfanis nemikoi.
SPEAKER_00:Ho im ravishenochtych. Yet modelle de gay has hope chep engor asan mahdu diatoy chenoch nafag barri mob bonvone casique in absor order, balche bonvone harmoju the tabi ho harmoju the tabi in coronim to jump with inuman section zaram, emergence marefatchenohti. Mahdu diatoye shenochte mode tabi dar in Jahone ho, ke mastalafon uh mizone pardoze etelotike mihot zamonch wasana zamone koliki honbishare. In Micha Mahdu Diato, Marbut Mahdu Diate Marafatnohti, Mayemo de Gim Oelam Fikon Mahdu Diata Hast has Mahdu Diate Dar emergenza hasti Shanohti Hamdu.
SPEAKER_00:Baun Marbut Vahti hasken Natan ho baroye modar in Jahone fiziki, Balke Baroya har mo judi darhar Jahone fiziki munken nawa chain full costan. Ho, came al mahdu diate mantorioziate. Inchoderiozi automate no munkenesh mi cone. Mah gensemahdu diata as gentsem mahdu diate kudizote riozia automate, mahtu as gent sematan core godelo turingo uhostono. Mafek mikon har setoye in uh emergen soro mitun neunivarashpe. Ho or in hosam yet.
SPEAKER_06:Pale and okay day doctor man solid abatm colam uh get nuclear emergency or collan uh highered befamy that sold that what behamina valu hop emodor uh pedim solar chantomose.
SPEAKER_01:Uh full original math we are the um uh Daniel genetic hammo is the spinola at the Hamas original hammer would be a greedy reductionism on the full conscience the reductionist we have full cross-ray or the hoop in a uh polish. Uh to uh uh and shall they are best there, emerging property science yellow to science frukas here, as well to shake the nation that employed for some institution biological technology of the Mustarian to find uh uh DPT. Rafter to what she's saying in Basaka's man's army of ill me statement, thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Uh satisfaction would say my question, Rosie Kona and then is boy should I zoy so as anything between a tozy credit emergence row. Sabab Mr. Inky that suitele that old Gohaimut for Radomont has around a little call and say well uh the target points all go a shake the kish mini passif carry. I mean in a ham show by the reductionist of full cost, and zoom and caraphony physique, quantum taril bed, but then there was a cabli as a mohemist and robaras and the same.
SPEAKER_06:Um recovered this amine to all the doctor. Um star talk as uh so bad, but astrophysicist, astrobiologist, and then we're gonna be able to give a hand to a coroti de gay, but you can chon, more bad, medium, hiatus, on bude, hermophilo injuzo, but extremes and the gimmicardan, but telescope James Vivakon nego, uh, I don't boty, don't bother carbon, we got the inches of Mr. Symma's hyotalon, Moncana Pedocon. Um now there are too much, uh how to fame coin which is chemistry with a metal based, your silicon based um year usi nayo, kill the pitch the same.
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SPEAKER_00:Ho, Kevola Baz Bazan, yesterday Ektachov Hoy Salam false positive on the Stanani Masalan Farskonim Unchov Sangue Morchitsonike Umma de Budva Hajto Hastoganavat no Muchtelef amino acid doch tanker or hyoters with amino acid hoy joy horajes darva phaso hyot as it sort of chices the pict must ale in amino acid can or ham chanva ye micromolecule picid massia on zimva protein of a so that inma in hyote by no molecular tackishab etamolanjoy the jutar. But Bish Tarasgeni have tot model amino acid resistant pedosho de boot.
SPEAKER_00:Ho Ayro Stefan Ayarabut un modelle Neshanga Hayot Masal Hal Shotho in Pasia Basia Miran Hodin Macromol Kolo Migan Migardan Dumbolish. In Yevdori shot tildar Tori Ki washeli shot uh chisnavashili chat gozini hubinawashe bedaloele mochelefinkhe of fazo shimia has luzumina de Hamajobosha. Hab Luzumina Dra Hamajob as in manter Tabayat Bukonia Hollatahost. Yeruchard Yeju Dere Ruchard Hy functional Darvoga haske side bekonan um raftorike yekjon dora's nation midaro un shivi korchard yekjon doro uh rasat boconan hola bebinanke to chebasarhoi mitu pedocon, but allaverandum.
SPEAKER_00:In karcard be inke kudum adjomitavoran on ka on korcardo doshtaboshan. Ink uh judozik pedo cardanisarte, asandarbori inke taw for bokonin kemische yonemice yo in ychikemalon didim mistorichastavost. Ho, mistolmasahan baza paradozi etelotich and the repeat so bad cardim, who mahalen is a bashik, oyo asan pardoshietelotichemikamun, your na serfan moderim uh inot baristodin do uh yekimigirim. Ho, but uh batheli muhemi mutunvash, machodom shakhsana give moza, man fake micorumpinahu masu hiot nis, hob tamoyuze kheli jedi u judare, uh uh darwari incha oyomitavan hyot re carbon y doshd man dar kabolesh moza ba moze baste na fikmu korum tum fazo shimioye un was at baaslan no mota meliske darwarik uh fazoy hayot fazira di yeri judoyazin hyoticarbonyot in common banazanam kene fat nasalinka oyachat mo mo asumitunim pedoshbukonim, oyos zam oyosangero zegune mo, uh zamonengero zegune mo pe shas inke bhaim uholam par wasiho darw darwake tahakok bebachim uh faro mi re se on pas ide yas.
SPEAKER_06:Khajja le kaginukted befaram fara beganke honame kelsejonson yata physi tona mehone whichibara budan to uhke virginio hastandva uh Farhili, mohtaramuheli, uhisa and jumane mujum ricalm budan mudat, ikitobin chanoma into the unknown, k the intar jumikoni gebesh a lot of shirk konim, um but don'k ketop that modheimasalam so bad mecan adid physique ke hayot that cheropedosh nemikon cherhiki bombideyomonat with tamos baby name kopcharto ethemolo mide chamukishamoze kadi ke isu heli etamolicho bolo mibini anyike holo, there's holom kene boshand vali ertamot nem timbarconini ra for selozio, the kim share to bar card, beshadamor the hayoto who span man soyotolo bacteria.
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