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Season 3, Episode 115 · Houshivar Podcast پادکست هشیوار

چرا نئاندرتال‌ها منقرض شدند؟ فرگشت و آمیزش انسان‌ تبارها | دکتر سامان حیدری، دکتر جواد حسین‌زاده

13 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 30 min

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در این قسمت از پادکست هشیوار، به میزبانی دکتر مهدی شفا، به یکی از بنیادی‌ترین و چالش‌برانگیزترین پرسش‌های تاریخ تکامل بشر می‌پردازیم: *آیا انسان خردمند (هومو ساپینس) واقعاً تنها گونه موفق انسانی بوده و تکامل ما یک درخت خطی و ساده است؟* با ورود فناوری‌های نوظهوری مانند ژنتیک باستانی، تحلیل دی‌ان‌ای باستانی، مطالعه پروتئین‌های کهن و هوش مصنوعی، تصویر ما از گذشته به کلی دگرگون شده است. در این گفتگوی عمیق، علمی و چندرشته‌ای، میزبان دو تن از برجسته‌ترین متخصصان ایرانی هستیم تا یافته‌های جدی...

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SPEAKER_00:I am kidding, cash or chicken with a homeland and put care.

SPEAKER_04:No under tall boom so I got what I should have.

SPEAKER_03:As Javomishovar Sanati Mori Sanat Garamier Asha Faran Jamovari should be a very good thing.

SPEAKER_00:But just easy boys to the Zabon, Farhangovari and Son, Bishan Satibres. Oyo Hanus Bash Mohemia, Tori Kita Commodio Farga and Sonro, Nemi Dunim, Io Mom Kine, Cash Poyo Oyande, Bisorias Unchigodar Mordigus I couldn't but see him for sure and bruise, Besor of the Hordoram, the Kadmate of Professor Salmon Goron, Hajwish Kare, Poin Sangiva, Boston Shinoz, things of the Boston Shino, Pajwish Kare, Pisotari Posham, Besor Hosh Halamke, Shomoro, the Wordar Hushibordoram, I guess so badly the read poppin' and the goma shall and come be farmed, but that's all that Pusham Doctor Goran befit.

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SPEAKER_00:But Money Sol, I become in July Surkona, that champfast, Havaganikar Govern Buzovali, Nim Sadarbani, Nabashiman, goof to Gubby Santira to name a don't be more judic along it, but the hard chicken social bazarim, uh Dr. Haydarini, Hoptaket of Hadimik Mahund to China Guzte, Mamuna Takomole and Sonro, Peswadic Derach saw the Afriba, the Danke, Ishayu Madish of the Park and Master Mustafta. Amohobi of Toya Genetic Boston Eva Bostonic group, and so on, Hoyamokalift to Zamon Hoy Mothal Baham or Muse and Because Homodamorda and Sondern Sobadconim, Jasegablan Bahamas, and Sono Hushman.

SPEAKER_04:Before I doctor Hinterimamon Balledaburde in Magolique Yek Donishman Chini's Motas, Yeki do After Bohardam, uh podcaster so Hundam, Hodamagodan, Hoshana, Ida in Magol Hegi Mohem Yeki Ziro, Taro Roshan. Well, you know, over the jalaburke, Nikos and the Rodoscorum Matrascardin, Aram Hedge Alba. Inik Mo as Hudude, Hammon Solidos or Half Two, Kabasia Genetico Besalog in Dosan Hy Besal Max Polanko um Swantepabo Pishumado, Hedi Bas, Daro and Lob Genetic Rochdot, or Marun Harfazik Ghost Lineage Mizadan.

SPEAKER_04:Harfazik ghost line, darkik ruhe, penhone, taborie, bashary, k malumisky. Very hastish. Hastish, very table, beso the physics, your meslenatory homosapianzo, and sonhoye shakyo kepido should the physician, very in ye go in in ruhe sagardan buddhish. Holly in Magoliki Shomo Govti, Tavasdufu Hamkaronish as Ma Academia Ulum Chin Daroge Darumat, Abate Shunkablandar Moxwang Alman, but Mustachin Bud U Madan the in Guerro, Daroge Halcardan. Ba Govtanku unruhisagardonic Dombolish Miguelin, Batemalizot Genome Homorectus Hasishke as Dinusovo bad in San Homo sapiens, Modagus the Mala and San Homusapians mebinim.

SPEAKER_04:Daroge uh Ruhusagadon is the unhomorectus by Boshat. K usually bad short shegas boson, some Busus Kasikitar as ye mionicorm Konamino, Hamas Dombody in Buddhanke, Yeg Dinuslov Muharfi Khanan, but it Malan Habarik Nachodva Felanmo Bohamin shish Zirgunia and Sany Dar Korea in the Sisat has or salt, changes or salt meziste more jazz in Zara, the egg zirguned the same.

SPEAKER_00:Homo erectuswa deniso and valley hope I should manually be far between Jimola Magolaro More so batwa editor video miser and stone put a Magola on one show to Shavashang to Shambhunan, Magoli came into Safety P shop should have been a Zarmiok Mantosish and Mihundam, uh Mohem Ham to go with Dr. Goffton. Befam, I can look over the far gasto, you saw the dead or not. We were in half I can't see how much we have to do that.

SPEAKER_03:I mean seven jumps, or should look an ouneki of us and yet as genome and told her has any genetics, which you to revaz of chart or sad, babadinis of one, because years of shortbabadomone jazz of handshish as denisoborabishadora you must, homona under soul, homodinisovat, in horogunoyodobedunchabas tarif more the pazile shagari better for this okay in Smayer and Smayer because Maraz be in a gunet holy the Mr. Zoyos, and I get the gun a bitabon and bohamdi omizish and batch within your gun.

SPEAKER_03:But I got batched on your nail, your bachelor mister Beselogin Asbuchar no Zo Boshevachet in Badokuna should be eating, and Harva Aspotaban and Wandy Omizhuga Sudibusan. Alamasar Massari Busurike, I understood, Sopiens, uh Denisovan, Bayan Magoliza Kim, Eric Toose, Mita Ban and Bandium is a shugan, I must have Z Guna Robert Ashion is the Hambiche Shaky, and Mia Dor Tariff to Shemoshil Hedi Batari Bahar Hall, Momidonim and the Tall Gune as Hamundrachter Shohe, Y Shohe, Humuhos, Sardo, Hush, Sony Urosia, Hovarimyoneva, Grupo, Saul's Gori Pedigarde, Sapien Star of Sosgory Pedigar, Denisoban Bishoad Manate, Shomolesharos.

SPEAKER_03:Masile Fargeshimte for Vital Takeard Midoni Potential Hoye Raftorishun Potential Hoy Znishum Bambi Farmikone Vachopto and Zizio Bahoy Denisoban campaign under Tolba Homo sapiens farmicon, Yaniro Hati, Namichin for the Nemikin Yiguna. Robert in Gunor Shabaki Binim uh Derach Bamgi Pavashut Boz Bambi Pavan before man in Tasriki Mr. Michi uh yet Nazig Tar. Okay, Mercy.

SPEAKER_00:No undertal ho, I'm almost ablarunum, Matrash of the Woodwa Bazi Nordmithan Zoeram, Sudan Homo sapiens no undertal, or homo sapiens sapiens. Yam Shahlat. Holly Basatian, Homo erectus or the back of the Nisavana, or Sudanva, Benazar, Bachhoy Zoya and Chumago Lake Mo Porson, but you to Soviet Cadim, Damur Hami, Va Jenhoikas neon Hob or the General Mother Bamboo Sovaciding for Sor, but Benazamia, Bachhois Oya Yamdosan Baal Mohoi Juri No Madi. Oh, you to Holo Damord in Masale, uh Imagolo Imagol was on Bemonim Chamago Mohemia in Homo erectus hope he barmed because I shaky Bahijami at Hibadi Chenaki the Samachio Madi by the Darkemois in and Santa Borondo Shanchomosu Mohemia Mesoram and Mudu Shemodal Bemonim chonimes on a list.

SPEAKER_04:Very mechunin Hodun Rohard conim Benezerman unam inique Benazabir second Donishama Besan de Julomir Motawazir Hamgar Yonazikuna Hobam the Y Mudon Darhola in Slohe in Michelgov in Eshlabo Academy Udinke in Horubisior as Hamiga Dur Midunestan. Alon Hachibisan de Julomire Mushakasekina in Jura Nis attafoto Besor Camtaro Camtaro Camtarasishva Bugunik Mommunike Alonia Jiguru Gruasimke Bishki Morade Genome Homo Eric to Sudar and Sonoga Dinusovo Homo sapiens baby.

SPEAKER_04:But in Shumidike Bassand Julon Mira Mamulan's the other meot Jai Danovish Masan Panja Solfish Alfish Hatus of the Fishmaster Tolobusarmiriftan Shavimi yet Guril Danazarmiftanke Fogula de Chizina. But on Alon Barinikin Muse, Bosch Fallet Diamond, Mujakaroma Cassidiano, Madame Harashanguram, Yikia's no under Tolima Shudike Boss as he should shall work and say. But Marnon Bosch asked me, Marufi no other tall muse no under toll, but we had no other tall coach and car to Yamiraf, to Aman fitly Mikardigi and Sonad.

SPEAKER_04:In nocte meeting, carters, Amo Tamur de Darokazo Yogudan ballad. In Masale, uh teach hand, Magole Matrashos Kiasam Kenneke, it has our woman and girls in. In bootcondolbahomosopians, I got water de robot should the boshe no under tall taroke and narno under tolbo homo sapiens and mod de shouldaboche. Moder yumasaliashan Biobone genome under tallest genome narkuye in Naksia genetiki koyebe. Koyebe genome mode judarba in uh Besala Ulguike Belasmade K chandin Besala Kormutolati.

SPEAKER_04:Basmutajnke Ete Molan Haminam Tazmahole Tazi, Etemolan, Mo Mizhoi Mo Bine Homusapianse, Darugum Motde, Bonon der Tole Narbude, we star Tayinik bar axboshe. Babul hotzumen narumarum camterocampero in yet mapasi the robot in Muzubari, as in Azarik is Zoyobudan more Farzand of Vari Dastan by a domain card, but in uh Sahadar, in Basi Root of the Boshe.

SPEAKER_00:She needam I stuck into Damur de Basimit to Kondri with a magolichophole would care, and as I meet to Kondi, track him or helibe under tall hobby and as I mean Ham to go to Kofstan, Hoyon under Tall Hobo Mod Day, Salam Homo sapiens, Omstan, who had him to conduct stonic to genetic on the moderno control evi colo matra. But you told that so by to masalasium sorrow chat to solid gekidam.

SPEAKER_03:And then in check as uh trapdo dana in the tomuzu behind the geturushe. Vadimo midon in kick barasumoto lotta marum shinasiva lotaboso shinasi, ki guru hoye, che humose pian spachen their torched and so shekle ba and dozi guruhoye ishtemo ishun have oli be sina farbuti. Holo to fanish up, yemugoya solam inokuruhoi muta refuge unan jam shrambohamdi gathering dusha. Nokia would you direct uh gazye burunham sarimman rochadi name ainan rap, but if I mik a shore, talanguri was a darze nememo, yo lafter Burun Hamsari me tavan eighty agabaria at Nimidoni.

SPEAKER_03:But I Burun Hamsarinike Mutsu Barasos Gabo de Genetiki ke meh, Havoli Pusato, Hizor, Nafar, Odam, Ordan Bolle Hesoyo, Boyadi Boshan, Ted Jamia Guru, but Bolo y Taraban, Penny Pusato Hazar Deservoche, Ki in Jo Mebut Hamsar Bosh Busothi, Inobandi Omizhbukonan, Vaun Maso Ede, Imorichnaya. Pasma midonimke etemodan guruhocheke, turonisange, holo gunhoy muhtalek, boyet burun hamsar mi butant. Vanukhi jo lebinioski Hagriban Dar motolote marchanish with the Jao Meshik or Chigavan de Hagriban to Haribi et Fogeshun Burun Zanho as Guru Miran Bahaste Mark as you guru marhodashimida.

SPEAKER_03:Okay Yani Midonimke Zanhojo Bush, I love Magadaro Narida. Koran, in a tefogar Borhiya Zavon Masalan, sees also the Kish or Solu Shanias or the Bishab, Kyo Guruhoya Hamsaikin and Tolbut Musapiens, Evohan, in a teformuta, bati boll should the doctor sapiens, as Guru, jazbe Guruhe, neandertolbishiva unjobishone in Mosujazovus.

SPEAKER_04:Doctorin, Michel Govin Project Mot which has been the last Niander Talsk, yeah project uh to Dawazatokish, the Holy Anjam Bashi as in Pro Jastan. Um agarbosike in Jam yad and Gaziod Bosan, Ba Mudatulani Bomdige Muraba de Doshabasant, Warde Lobati Shawish the Wasan Bash, Budunio Mata Bashuhan, washe, Moboesti Osore Farhangi in Ruhambevini. Basia's uh Basan, Mutaga Sankey Shavo Hid Yas, Darokin Basro, Hono Dorothy Garod, Dar Solos C Matakarke, uh Mithavan Mo Unzowan Kano's Bas and Tolomus Pianzo or musician, and I would value Bas Darod the Gardi Cot Tagit Hadrigi Farhangi points and gimmioniban, hamun Zamon Yasushke Homo Sokans and Nazal Bam Hambushani Daran Holomikami should water the Bashew Haderi Bogolmaru, Yuk Massal Helimarov Yasish.

SPEAKER_04:Very uh Bigamish badness, but I boss, yes, a hackathmichodon to an Azarbukon, very guru motakada simke agar in uh how doludash the boshe, kibenazarmo iron, bawar mionet, khovar badam Iran, as an Zaraman, ke Bun Sheklike, or uh Hussein's other matra cardke boasij jam yet bing as the odbosho bat ino raobete eštemo i dash to Boshan Babuguni kehlabzawan hidik is sodem gimdukter midono tunduktar migrasonaziarfo, niesanimo uharki nadarim, ho kyazinbosheke engad indo echtemobam na zikbudeboshan, ke uhuribudeboshe, mse masan jaomi konuni, masanto, kabili mademizan, Bistar Holate Tachosomi, Bistar Holate Trituri, Va Mishovjuri, uhiskan.

SPEAKER_04:Dargi Dargiri Budeva, Kaskarden Afrodas Amrige Bude. Cholkem Vaughan Alan Nazikit sha thisole manva Honomudu Castidion Raminekarm Korim, Hachimigardim, Hadagal Darin Mantak, Mo, Yer replacement, Yjoy Gozini Bishet uh Sarium, Heli or a short passage, the chisim. Very good uh Dusanedigi Moham Karonimo, but asked Megan Musha Bukosus Marcel Oat, Honome Torotigarodas Had Marcel Otto would back away from Holboot, Matakadano back or Boston Shana Mutakar should keep Balemoshaw, Shawam Nomi Baranwishun me done.

SPEAKER_04:Very mo uh Mohamed the How in Mozukali Jarini uh Hedikosha Madag says that in Mozur Matraka did Yimudari Malmusarish Mikha Sambukonabiram Thuzi Boston Shana Sonam K I Garka Bash in Tap in emtezo genetic roch of the Bosheva in Hamzi Tulani Mud Rochada Boshon, Bos introdugham babinim. Yes, but the moyek and lobby dorim dar maz or his angle shin ohti, uh man border manzu remann umbasaudvalli, in urweer after e kemo dar genum mibinim, kemar hoyedan der tolbozan hoye, sapiens budan, holojo salamidno yesio the ukonum keun mart hoy sapiensasano zanhoy na ander toldi kirja so the helium as it'sigo asukti man bigamke mo uh oye dudu shafoda motokeso admukonim Bajusini ke matranisekuri emtezoji vujutare, sadobis or salud de masalan shasuhaf halfas or salefish, babadisham chela hafta chelez or salefishke om the tandar chelahfto chel sale fish in emptezo as the be no no under tall hands rohta de valley uh twin dori or uh sibistain empsaj mikire uhye professor Tom Hyam Saladosa Rucharda Magali Science Mutasorgi would Professor Tom Hyam canon used onasta uh ishun umadangufan Bioimik overism would desame tie twin the son of issue mutahassis uh carbon charda san unam na carbon chardi oddi.

SPEAKER_04:Issun ta on a se boyekrav this year, besor fishy, carbon chardero, presso the sort of dairy caro di tarbon. Cosbakan Bomam hamkar yikitamakale, but Igonam, Hamchin Baway Boz Gidam Magali Mutasikar the boot uh yikored gidamutasobos and job bowmanam yikamkari dustam. Yaniman if them. Mwabatoi bosanin no underke mutterasan, as levant to kafkos vaba bad, coloruko, tobas a protocol ru, nazike panjo, mwavate keli devo dating itful of the hamin zamonike.

SPEAKER_04:Ba barush saw bitkarke zamoni beni dozor pun satzol, to pang hez or sol mohampushani and sonno and talom sapian soshti. Darin matographia. Hajan kalon, uhinitiki mike, mum tri matabit dahes or salbashihan pushani in awa he endra ochari obiga. Un abaliva dumi, rangu uh chandali na sishan very okay mohem. Hope in his one being those are fun sat, topins or salt. Yes, she should have sold the coli. Allah and Zara Dudu Hussein Zade Panji Zar Salt Zamanak coffee has ethnography rochbede.

SPEAKER_03:Um Ziodam has massalimi churchin' and there's all hotar unbudanke of Urupoki Hastesh, as in Jake, Modigu is a gross that Aroxurumish, Mionia Zogosumarchazi on the Agar Un Hamchas Mashomol, Vazumadari Sorchas, Babble Manda, in Jobijo, Iva Gusarish Alamrovisudeshiboshi, and he is a money toolbijke Marze Dotogalamro Hamdi can have the beer, Paniosudato has our soulman who shame the year, hinds of diet or soul, Michet Hagriban, uh Sisadnas. K Neander Sol Ho Yo Hummusopiens Hoye Mantage Hovaremone Az Nazare Genetiki Mtezoje Bishari Ru Nisbadbe Neandertal Hoy Markas Upones Magumike Pasinik Tabodule Dus Daki Yaboshaki in Torinabuke Eggrobate Ma no Dor Bolad Mudake Udor.

SPEAKER_03:Fake Mikonam in Forso Izni Vamonazani Zigni Hashke Mobosomid Amo Blah Shall Invasat Invasat Barhold Manhaz Genetican Dutchord Genum as Nandel Tore. Cherochul Azutarum Mobo, Champons, Navada Hashoda Mudarsa, Naz Anyati Genetic, as a quote coronary. Jamie Athletagal Biruna Zofi of Judah in Yik Raftor Ulguman de Hamim Bulad Moder Na Raftor Takinot.

SPEAKER_00:Hello, Solomon Stop Sabasnik, Inobogan Chicat, the Doemora Nandolum to Avascone, Kuno Bogan Motomarket within your Boganja, I met a paracandi budanva, so the gor tarasicablanta sabor Michel Kolo to Shomalu Rupova, Joy Digonian, Paracana Holumin Passi Modegon with him, but then Matomanda Modegeneticva, Asarem Mohitru Samsum, but Masale biologium raptors, Mala in Magole, Miyam D P shop, Magole Mohammed Carn Biology, Majalemo Tavarians.

SPEAKER_04:Un Duros Bar Akse in Runas Jimigine. Mik, Twi un Korikidar, Junub Farranse Kowushkar de Holo Smesho Yodam Nis, Bagoye Dandon and No Andra Solidon kune, korregenetomidan wa darfosle bsyor Nazdiq, Shoyat Hudude, Agari Kotaramboshe, Magolar Korsalkon de Budam, Sat Kirumasi Unjo, Yikmua Tib s your Busurgen no other tali de Gam has, but unjoam as maeshi genetican, but he robeti bene duto nayofdan. In Magali Keshwamigitke it's one away professor uh uh professor uh post as danish tubing, but as we shall in my dar done by Govtanke Mo Boam Karan Kodishni Sandy Avalanisk, M Bam Koranish Miganke Mo Mutaja Simke Jiaomi no under tall bale, beshet that parakando is a last and dark landscape.

SPEAKER_04:Darzogus Babakshit uh ye come in a should by Kosham Bigam that Robert Bohamin Musa. Uh Harkassi, Banobi Donish genetic has this yo masol farangiasesh, you know, to uh mission see that Manobi Homasan Mo Madame Big Gutinke Mobio that had the fossil or Shani Dor. As Cambridge that I got Mukone, but you shouldn't have Kore Hazar Merkman Hudam that Holikovush has tampi mawatoi kermusha. Mobi Momutmanim as Shani Dortmusha to uh Bobiavon Kmacal Mukram Modom no under Talder.

SPEAKER_04:May Daroka, Husur physikishun, sabbat shouldas. Mobagoye physikin no under Toldani, Korabisatun has the Kermusha Hudishato no under Talder, Badisham Shani or Dathadere, Bahazar Mirdam, Banabishavo Edi Kedarakun has mutmanim kmu husun no under talbude. Dasibim man sangike twin mwavato has a kidakati Baramkogushead. Mukhembarasosim Mawod Hom Sangi Darin Muawato has yikor boson shonoson neva Zamishonoson has Bibinim Oyo uh no under Talai Shani Dor, Rob Tibo no and Talay His Ormer, but not Robeti Bono and the Talaik and Mushado Shandyanashab.

SPEAKER_04:Mukemin Trituri Bakalamruye Besolo Sol Yonashun Chegadre. Oyo, Mitawanibimke, no and the talai, Shani Dor, Isole Budan, Bari Hudish Mudan, Malik and Msho Barikudishwude, Bahazorb, Bari Hudishwude, Yona, Masalan in Yikmantafei has this keen hold the devi style mat for Sali Daroke Bestretum Kata Mosarimas, Roboti Dassina. In Museu, Darostabo, Dar Robotabo, Hamin Muzuye is olebugan yo uh that Boham Budan. More depazir girl, the whole of the English card for.

SPEAKER_04:Hamil Hosamine Basati Parent is Begampus.

SPEAKER_03:In San Shane of Kitare, Lodore, Duran Jay Tare, Perishari. In Masari Besar Muhemi, which you do, Inke and Sonjuzu Gunoyekalam Romadore Bitarit and Sonogalam Rodish and Kidarmo rede Nakshemuhitva Farang Sobadukoni. Bainke had do andozi gurugraham yebhakshish manobe ungalamruveshara nuemanobemusha nikone ba yebakshisham and dozi guruho zarfiate zihnie marzienson Beselo Goedimarufe Domber Nomber Shumore Mahtude Robin Domborash. Masariko Duktrudam Yanike Hugalamru Chegate Enson Hoyena Andertol y Soli would remidoninke etemolan chantohonovati anybar asosa andoze Urdugohoina andetol campine andertol, misternifio toin camp channafas in the yimikara.

SPEAKER_03:Mano you to figna conam to holo urdugohi gori panogohi pedikaroshim, kibishasuna pani, apatosadnafana andertol yikjes in the ocean. But mum midonimke, y guru naderle das gambusuri panja fortosanafraya hataya agarbu de boche, in a nimi tsuna darunomizidhoshan. Bisheb da son and son muju the darun omizinis varkalove gunohoye galezi, and so the one and the ship and one and the field one and the guru one and the champanzu kedar guru chicken, hat's manbed guru na saruchan any hat's man, yon nar, yon mode, badas bulukweat uh the guru tarts.

SPEAKER_03:Ayarmohamin farze. Faraz and as a little poor ye zishen of the Asudanazabigrim, Bita didn't under Ham Sawyer, or Hamdig, Habodul Doshta, like it how the Solidina Bosch, Tabod Jove has Shakna. Shani dar Marekaz Yena under Bashik Vahesormar Yekuruheba di Shana Hezormado, Hesor Merdugolo, Shani Daru, but be to uh Kermosho, Hamashungalam Ruve, Yeguruna and Tolbu de Kidarfast Muftalefamoya Mukalef Mukine, Twin Bogolish Mo Fospanic, Job Shani Holymasardi, Bita Ridmum Midon Nimke, Ayala and Tol, Avolit, or Sadh, Hidanimituru, Bar Hadagal Fab Barpoye, Vogeshanachie, Raftor Omizesh, Vatabodul, Nimitune, Barpoye, Hodish, Bosh.

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SPEAKER_00:Baholo, our mility gay, Mr Ham Korea and Sonho, Baguruhoi Bozo Tar, or Dr. Guru Kukik Budova, Nazareno Hushman, Budanke, Tunesta Guru Hypozuktai Besazanva, uh Bemunan. Holo uh Muhammad's aminajenico masaleta comola, holam alokodaram, masale, farhangu donisho andole, in maso hilo zabono, bahoin chabakoy, tebotike, chegat, muhembudolo, harsh ashmodoazi commissol, uhustaration sonho behat, holo Hamzamon, Sura Gifta, Panjo Zor Solipish to Hamir, Jahan, uh I did go bostonosi, holo masoligenticam has far hang by donors, shegat comai cardi Sonic Holo, Museum Harefish Madame Azar Bagarkonim, Bachopnessan Tolorkan Orbazanan, Bachodition Pachanda Dunio, uh Bane Masoel Farhang Yo Zabonu Masole in Orchard Mohammed, so Magolich Hop should math on the Ruypo Ruido and Sonho, and because in the Sonho Bekarad Baban to Sam Rupo Misode, but Gustafieva Rosh Max.

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SPEAKER_00:So much at all, Jose, Kori Hotno, what are you trying to mean, uh Montazare Chur, Kash Hoi has his Hadagalda mode in Bas Mikoni, uh San Hybecharat Ba and Rosen under Tal Hova, Chizy Shabbyin, Ali polybasin in vain technology I didn't basketon in a bobby shall are under Baham between so bad, Modemasknik when Jose Kari Hodam or its shoulder, Mutwina to Hose Kari Shama has the banana of the coy and the be farmers.

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SPEAKER_03:As Shomo, Seposaram, if the Holy Disham, the Hibnate, Usoda Azizoid, Goronas Bosanason, Hushnomi, Ba Pajushkare, Portalosh, was a Hamakish that Holy Kotamaduniron, Hamjan Hamsara Azizhun, Horamdu Vasidion, Vahodavina Houishomok, I play Mukonim Chandariknatum Budimro, Lizard Border Washington West of the Kerman.

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  4. S3 · E117 · 22 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 20 min

    آیا اراده آزاد وجود دارد؟ رمزگشایی از جبرگرایی و فرگشت | گفتگو با دکتربنیامین فراهانی

    *آیا ما واقعاً صاحب تصمیمات خود هستیم یا همه‌چیز از پیش تعیین شده است؟* در این قسمت از پادکست هشیوار، میزبان «مهدی شفا» در یک گفتگوی عمیق با «بنیامین فراهانی»، به بررسی یکی از بنیادی‌ترین چالش‌های مشترک علم و فلسفه یعنی مسئله اراده آزاد می‌پردازد. این گفتگو تلاش می‌کند تا تلاقی مفاهیم بیولوژیک، عصب‌شناسی تکاملی و نتایج اخلاقی-اجتماعی آن را لایه لایه بازخوانی کند. در این بحث چالش‌برانگیز، رویکردهای فکری متفاوتی از جمله جبرگرایی سخت رابرت ساپولسکی در برابر سازگارگرایی و نگاه برساختیِ دنیل دنت...

  5. S3 · E116 · 16 Jul 2026 · 2 hr 12 min

    آیا حیات فرازمینی واقعیت دارد یا یک خرافه مدرن است؟ | فرهاد ارکانی

    در دومین بخش از گفتگوی جذاب با فرهاد ارکانی، به اعماق یکی از بزرگ‌ترین و تکان‌دهنده‌ترین پرسش‌های تاریخ بشر سفر می‌کنیم: *آیا ما در این کیهان تنها هستیم؟ * در این اپیزود از پادکست هشیوار به همراه فرهاد ارکانی به بررسی احتمال وجود #حیات_فرازمینی می‌پردازیم. با استفاده از #فرمول_دریک تمدن‌های هوشمند را محاسبه کرده و به این پرسش پاسخ می‌دهیم که چرا با وجود این احتمالات، کیهان در سکوت فرو رفته است؟ پدیده #پارادوکس_فرمی و فرضیه ترسناک #فیلتر_بزرگ را تحلیل می‌کنیم و از منظر دانش #اخترزیست‌شناسی به ...

  6. S3 · E114 · 7 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 29 min

    ساختار سیاسی و آینده ایران: تقابل سنت و مدرنیته | دکترشروین وکیلی، دکترجوادعباسی

    آیا در تاریخ ایران نوعی اندیشه سیاسی یا الگوی حکمرانی پایدار وجود داشته است؟ مفهوم ایرانشهری دقیقاً چیست و تجربه تاریخی کشور چگونه می‌تواند راهنمای ما برای عبور از مقاطع حساس کنونی باشد؟ در این قسمت از پادکست هشیوار، به میزبانی دکتر مهدی شفا، میزبان گفتگویی عمیق، فکری و تفصیلی میان دو تن از صاحب‌نظران برجسته در حوزه جامعه‌شناسی و تاریخ هستیم تا ساختار سیاسی ایران را از گذشته تا افق‌های آینده به نقد و بررسی بگذاریم. در این فصل از گفتگوها، با بازخوانی متون کهن به بررسی ریشه‌های *#اندیشه...

  7. S3 · E113 · 7 Jul 2026 · 1 hr 36 min

    مغز ایدئولوژیک و تصلب شناختی؛ چرا برخی در برابرواقعیت مقاومت می‌کنند؟ با دکترسروش دباغ، وحیدهروآبادی

    یکی از مهم‌ترین پرسش‌های زندگی انسان این نیست که چه چیزی را باور داریم، بلکه این است که چرا آن را باور داریم؟ چرا برخی از افراد حاضر می‌شوند باورهای خود را زیر سؤال ببرند اما بعضی دیگر حتی در برابر واقعیت و شواهد متناقض هم مقاومت می‌کنند؟ در این قسمت از پادکست هشیوار، به میزبانی *دکتر مهدی شفا*، در یک گفتگوی عمیق و بین‌رشته‌ای به کالبدشکافی مفهوم *مغز_ایدئولوژیک* و ریشه‌های روانی و اجتماعی جزم‌گرایی می‌پردازیم. ما لایه‌های پنهانی را بررسی می‌کنیم که نشان می‌دهند چگونه *تصلب_شناختی* ذهن را در...

  8. S3 · E112 · 28 Jun 2026 · 1 hr 42 min

    آیا ما واقعیت را می‌بینیم یا مغز آن را می‌سازد؟ گفتگوبا دکترآرش افراز

    در این قسمت از پادکست، به اعماق تاریک و شگفت‌انگیز جمجمه سفر می‌کنیم؛ جایی که مغز ما بدون دسترسی مستقیم به نور، جهان بیرون را برای ما تصویر می‌کند. آیا آنچه می‌بینیم خودِ واقعیت است یا صرفاً یک بازسازی ذهنی، فرضی و تکاملی؟ مهمان این گفتگو، *دکتر آرش افراز* دانشمند و محقق ارشد سیستم‌های بینایی در موسسه ملی سلامت روان آمریکا (NIH) و پژوهشگر سابق دانشگاه MIT و هاروارد هستند. ایشان با سال‌ها تجربه فیلد در حوزه علوم اعصاب شناختی، ما را با زوایای پنهان ادراک و پردازش‌های بینایی آشنا می‌کنند....

  9. S3 · E111 · 18 Jun 2026 · 2 hr 3 min

    آیا ما فقط یک ماشین شیمیایی هستیم؟ مرزماده وحیات کجاست؟ با دکترعطا کالیراد، پوریا آزادی

    حیات از کجا آغاز می‌شود؟ آیا DNA صرفاً یک نقشه و برنامه کامپیوتری مکتوب است، یا سیستم‌های زنده چیزی فراتر از کدهای دیجیتال هستند؟ مرز واقعی میان یک سیستم شیمیایی پیچیده و یک موجود زنده کجاست؟ در این قسمت از پادکست هشیوار، من، مهدی شفا (دکترای زیست شناسی سلولی و مولکولی-ژنتیک) میزبان دکتر عطا کالیراد (متخصص زیست‌شناسی تکاملیو بوم شناسی از مؤسسه ماکس پلانک آلمان) و پوریا آزادی (پژوهشگر زیست‌شناسی سامانه‌ای و بیوانفورماتیک) هستم. در این گفتگوی عمیق و چندرشته‌ای و بین‌رشته‌ای، از نگاه سنتی و تقل...

  10. S3 · E110 · 12 Jun 2026 · 1 hr 44 min

    آیا دی ان ای واقعاً نقشهٔ حیات است؟ | گفتگو با دکتر عطا کالیراد

    آیا تصویر سنتی ما از DNA به عنوان یک «دستور پخت خطی» یا «بلوپرینت فیکس‌شده» از نظر علمی دقیق است؟ زیست‌شناسی مدرن چگونه از پارادایم ژن‌محوری (Gene-centrism) به سمت درک سیستم‌محور (Systems Biology) و کل‌نگر حرکت می‌کند؟ در این قسمت از پادکست هشیوار، میزبان دکتر عطا کالیراد، زیست‌شناس تکاملی و پژوهشگر مؤسسه ماکس پلانک آلمان هستیم. در این گفتگوی عمیق، لایه به لایه از تقلیل‌گرایی کلاسیک فراتر می‌رویم تا با رویکردی تحلیلی، تلاقی مفاهیم فیزیکی، شیمیایی و فلسفی را در تبیین تکامل و تکوین موجودات زنده...

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